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[Darth Death]

Malanek999 wrote...

Ace of Dawn wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...
What are you saying here? I know it has been confirmed that they are working against Shepard but do you have a source saying "they" are indoctrinated? And by "they" do you mean the illusive man, multiple top level operatives, or every single person in the organisation. If it is a case of indoctrination it isn't a betrayal because "they" have no free will. And what do you mean by "why"? Are you questioning how they were indoctrinated or why the Reapers would want to indoctrinate them? For the latter, there doesn't seem to be a need for much discussion about that, it would simply be a good strategic move. 

Shepard says they are indoctrinated in a gameplay trailer, as well as several of the people working in BW saying that part of the game is figuring out why and how Cerberus has been indoctrinated.

I don't suppose you have a link to the particular trailor or a link to the quotes from the devs? Until I actually see them I am still a bit sceptical. Although it might sound pedantic, getting the exact wording and context is very important in this discussion.

If it is indoctrination, why is obvious. The reapers will indoctrinate whoever they can for strategical reasons. As for how that isn't really important (and it was probably when TIM was exposed to it years ago) because whats done is done, unless it leads to some clue about how to break indoctrination or use it against them in some way.

I find your lack of faith disturbing...

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Modifié par Darth Death, 30 juin 2011 - 12:27 .

[Malanek]

Darth Death wrote...
I find your lack of faith disturbing...

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Thanks, I'll watch them later.

[Thompson family]

I've been away too long and am sure I've missed some good threads, but belatedly updated with a new thread by DetailedSubset.

[redneckwonderland]

IV. “If You Can’t Beat Them, Join Them”

[bucyrus5000]

VI “Out of the Box”

Something completely different
I believe TIM has always intended to side with the reapers, it's his personal long term agenda. He was just using Cerberus and it's public agenda of "humans first" as a vehicle to advance his own psychotic goals.

[Thompson family]

Well, the "Good Cop, Bad Cop" theory is dead. BioWare's Mike Gamble said at a GamesCom Q&A today that Cerberus is "hell bent" on killing Shep and the only way you can ally with Cerberus is to get Shep killed and not hit the resume button.

This deserves some award as the least ambiguous statement ever made by a BioWare/EA rep at a trade show.

[Thompson family]

Bump, because I've neglected this thread a long time and hope forum members will recommend newer threads that deserve mention..

[UserForFun]

There's only one logical assumption.. ( Yeah right, implement logic ) Neglect the bad writing, and elect the most rational answer; in Retribution novel, Cerberus began experimenting on Reaper Technology, thus I can speculate that Cerberus split in two factions; One working with the Reaper, and one who does not.
I can bet all the money I have upon the fact that Illusive Man is safe ( His base constantly moves, is highly unlikely he's indoctrinated ) 

Modifié par UserForFun, 04 octobre 2011 - 01:04 .

[Cravin9740]

 Here is my thoughs. I've been thinking that TIM plans to let the Reapers wipe out everyone and survive like the Prometheans did on Ilos only with enough people to restart humanity when the Reapers leave again. This would leave humans as the dominate life and give then time to develope a way to kill the Reapers and make humans the top. They seem to have no porblem killing and experimenting on humans. They could aslo use indoctrination as a ruse to trick everyone and mask that true purpose..... Thoughts?

Modifié par Cravin9740, 08 février 2012 - 08:30 .

[dbozbrown]

To me, indoctrination is a simple reason. The problem is, TIM is not a simple character. Indoctrination may be a part of the reason why we are fighting TIM, as he does have reaper implants; but hopefully it is not the whole reason.

“Salvation comes with a cost. Judge us not by our methods, but by what we seek to accomplish.”- TIM

“That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction.”-Harbinger

Notice how these quotes are somewhat similar.

I think a much better solution is that TIM is working with the reapers in order to gain the "Salvation" that both of these quotes relate to.

[Blarty]

The survivalist concept of deep freeze wouldn't work as it didn't for the Protheans, simply due to the sheer amount of time you would have to be hidden for and the large number of humans you'd have to shelter to sustain a new viable population, one that wouldn't need several generations post-slumber to regain their foothold in the galaxy.

I think personally that TIM believes he's cracked the secret to indoctrination and plans to save at least some of humanity while allowing the other races to fall and become husks, then he flicks the signal and makes those husks, etc turn on their old masters while the remnants of the human race have an active population of husk slaves to rebuild their civilisations.

[John Locke N7]

VI
TIM and Cerb. have a reason to think thst shepard is in some way AIDING the repears without him knowing? or they believe that shepard is simply doing things they think will aid the reapers somehow?

[CerberusSoldier]

Its bad writing but what can you expect from ****** poor writing and the mixed up plot of the 3 games

[NM_Che56]

Read Mass Effect: Evolution.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

BAD WRITING

[CerberusSoldier]

Master Che wrote...

Read Mass Effect: Evolution.

   

why read a book Bioware should have did a better job with the story but oh no its Mass Effect 1 in HD only difference instead of Saren we get Saren 2.0 since they have no idea on how to tell a freaking story . I dare anyone claim this franchise has some of the best story telling because thats a load of horse sh*t . its worse than Metal Gear Solid 's story

[Someone With Mass]

Yes. I agree. Introducing TIM from the start was horrible writing. He's the most unnecessary character in the whole Mass Effect franchise.

[Femlob]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

BAD WRITING

I'm not sure if I'd call it bad writing per sé (indoctrination has been around since the first game, and Cerberus cells have a long and sordid history of succumbing to indoctrination), but I'm fairly certain that it's going to be obvious writing. I'm holding out hope that it won't be quite as obvious in TIM's case, but for as far as the cannon fodder Shepard gets to shoot through is concerned I'd be surprised if there was anything more to it than "indoctrinated lol".

[CerberusSoldier]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Yes. I agree. Introducing TIM from the start was horrible writing. He's the most unnecessary character in the whole Mass Effect franchise.

  


I disagree they could have created a iconic character with him but no they decided that it was better to create saren 2.0 for ME 3 . they are stupid when it comes to writing a story

[Arkitekt]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Yes. I agree. Introducing TIM from the start was horrible writing. He's the most unnecessary character in the whole Mass Effect franchise.

What a load of dingo's kidneys.

I just love how some posters write the most silly sentences without any kind of back up in a smug vague wisely-like fashion.

[Arkitekt]

People who are arguing TIM is Saren 2.0 are deadly wrong. His dillema is different than Saren's.

[Arkitekt]

I don't care if you like it or not. To me it is indifferent to what "cliché" he sticks, since what is important is the delivery. I'm just saying that TIM =/= Saren 2.0.