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[lobi]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

lobi wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Blood_magic


While not inherently evil, the Chantry strictly forbids the usage of blood magic as it supposedly eventually leads to corruption. Mages using blood magic are labeled maleficars and hunted by the The Templar Order, which was created for the purpose of controlling mages, killing demons and, more specifically, for hunting down maleficars and apostates.

Dont quote lore in a potentially rabid FanFic thread! 

My Elven Champion stands ready 

Nobody Retcons like DA Nexus.

[TEWR]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

lobi wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Blood_magic


While not inherently evil, the Chantry strictly forbids the usage of blood magic as it supposedly eventually leads to corruption. Mages using blood magic are labeled maleficars and hunted by the The Templar Order, which was created for the purpose of controlling mages, killing demons and, more specifically, for hunting down maleficars and apostates.

Dont quote lore in a potentially rabid FanFic thread! 

My Elven Champion stands ready 

Didn't you say in a few threads how you disliked the new look of the elves? I have to ask, if you dislike it so much why play DA2 using a mod that let you play the new look? I'm curious, that's all.

[lobi]

The evil of lyrium is the evil of drugs. Lyrium use must be monitored as those forced to use it quickly become addicted. Blood magic is healthier for the mage but can be draining and potentially fatal if power is taken from others. Perhaps Bella and Edward could share their views on this.

Modifié par lobi, 10 juin 2011 - 12:39 .

[Serpieri Nei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

lobi wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Blood_magic


While not inherently evil, the Chantry strictly forbids the usage of blood magic as it supposedly eventually leads to corruption. Mages using blood magic are labeled maleficars and hunted by the The Templar Order, which was created for the purpose of controlling mages, killing demons and, more specifically, for hunting down maleficars and apostates.

Dont quote lore in a potentially rabid FanFic thread! 

My Elven Champion stands ready 

Didn't you say in a few threads how you disliked the new look of the elves? I have to ask, if you dislike it so much why play DA2 using a mod that let you play the new look? I'm curious, that's all.

Your assuming that I'm playing DA2 with that mod. Maybe in a year after they release the toolset, the modders might be able to fix DA2 enough to warrant a 2nd playthrough. Anyways, you must of missed the part where fanfic vs lore was brought in.

Now for Blood Magic - the one that the PC gets access to - is no where as nefarious as what the npcs have access too. Mind Control in scenes, demon summoning, and so on.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 10 juin 2011 - 12:50 .

[Crow_22]

I'll say it once. It's an awesome power xD. Chantry rule and Templars be damned.

[TEWR]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

lobi wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Blood_magic


While not inherently evil, the Chantry strictly forbids the usage of blood magic as it supposedly eventually leads to corruption. Mages using blood magic are labeled maleficars and hunted by the The Templar Order, which was created for the purpose of controlling mages, killing demons and, more specifically, for hunting down maleficars and apostates.

Dont quote lore in a potentially rabid FanFic thread! 

My Elven Champion stands ready 

Didn't you say in a few threads how you disliked the new look of the elves? I have to ask, if you dislike it so much why play DA2 using a mod that let you play the new look? I'm curious, that's all.

Your assuming that I'm playing DA2 with that mod. Maybe in a year after they release the toolset, the modders might be able to fix DA2 enough to warrant a 2nd playthrough. Anyways, you must of missed the part where fanfic vs lore was brought in.

Considering your Elven Champion is wearing the Champion armor and the portrait is a horrible close up that DA2 used and doesn't do it justice, I think it's okay for me to assume you're playing DA2 with that mod, or did for a time.

I mean, I don't understand how someone can hate the new look of the elves and then make a character that uses that exact racial design. Boggles the mind....

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 10 juin 2011 - 12:59 .

[BurstAngel75]

LOL

[Serpieri Nei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

lobi wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Blood_magic


While not inherently evil, the Chantry strictly forbids the usage of blood magic as it supposedly eventually leads to corruption. Mages using blood magic are labeled maleficars and hunted by the The Templar Order, which was created for the purpose of controlling mages, killing demons and, more specifically, for hunting down maleficars and apostates.

Dont quote lore in a potentially rabid FanFic thread! 

My Elven Champion stands ready 

Didn't you say in a few threads how you disliked the new look of the elves? I have to ask, if you dislike it so much why play DA2 using a mod that let you play the new look? I'm curious, that's all.

Your assuming that I'm playing DA2 with that mod. Maybe in a year after they release the toolset, the modders might be able to fix DA2 enough to warrant a 2nd playthrough. Anyways, you must of missed the part where fanfic vs lore was brought in.

Considering your Elven Champion is wearing the Champion armor and the portrait is a horrible close up that makes it look like ****, I think it's okay for me to assume you're playing DA2 with that mod, or did for a time.

I mean, I don't understand how someone can hate the new look of the elves and then make a character that uses that exact racial design. Boggles the mind....

You start/end the game with the armor remember? And the picture you’re looking at is actually three different mods used to improve them, and they still need work. Kudos to the modders for doing what they can without the toolset. 

Horrible close up really? - thats straight from DA2 with no modifications to the .png.

I don't understand your continued confusion - you made an assumption and it had been cleared up for you. What I find strange is that you’re discussing something not related to the thread. Aren't you worried you may get it closed, like how you were worried about your Darkspawn thread? Let's take this to PM's and let this get back on topic.

edit - I'd love to have mind control as a replacer for the muder knife if your a blood mage - would remind me of the time I used force powers on the Wookie to kill the Twi'lek 

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 10 juin 2011 - 01:27 .

[LobselVith8]

BurstAngel75 wrote...

I just wanted to know if I'm the only one who WILL NOT touch blood magic? "Being evil is fun" is the biggest excuse people use, but I can never bring myself to play an evil character.

Evil? Blood magic isn't evil. It can be used for good applications. You mentioned it yourself - the Joining is blood magic - Archdemon blood, darkspawn blood, and magic. It's the reason there's an order of Grey Wardens in the first place. As for mages using magic - we have Duncan telling the protagonist of the Magi Origin that some Grey Wardens use blood magic to give them an edge against the darkspawn. Why do you think blood magic is evil? We see Merrill as a blood mage, who is trying to help her people with technology that might fundamentally change the lives of the elves for the better if it''s fully restored, and she isn't evil for pursing a goal that may have been able to irrevocably improve the lives of elves across the continent for the better.

If a templar is going after a mage, the templar can nullify Circle sanctioned magic, which means certain death. If a mage knows blood magic, they have a chance to survive the encounter. It's a difference between life and death for mages.

BurstAngel75 wrote...

Tried if for a few hours but all I wanted to do was stabbed the so call "hero" in the back. Not very satisfying.
People talk about blood magic as if it is nothing more that a tool to be used as long as your careful. But we are talking about life, Blood represent/is LIFE, to think that blood magic is a tool ends up using Life as a tool, whether it is your own or someone elses. Which leads to objectifying people as nothing more than a tool to use. (ie slavery)

It is a tool. People can misuse blood magic, which is no different than people using swords to carry out the mass murder of innocent men, women, and children. Does that make swords evil, or is it merely a tool that depends on what it's wielder does with it? Blood magic is using blood instead of mana, and Grey Warden mages use it to turn the tide against the "true fulcrum of evil."

BurstAngel75 wrote...

I think the writers are very subversive with this game, seducing us into thinking that blood magic is okay (Merill) while showing examples of just how inheritly evil it truly is.

 
Blood magic is not inherently evil, especially when it's the only reason Thedas isn't overrun with darkspawn eating people alive and violating women.

BurstAngel75 wrote...

People in other discussions stated that the grey warden's ritual and other examples show that blood magic can be used for good, but those are examples of "acts of desperation", not "Good".

Saving the world from the apocalypse five times over isn't good? I respectfully disagree.

BurstAngel75 wrote...

After all, from what I can tell from Ferldan's history, blood magic was the root cause of the corruption of the ancient gods, the creation of the darkspawn and the plight of the mages. I have yet to play Awakening so I don't know what answers it has provided.

Are you talking about the Golden City? There's no proof it's real, and the dwarves who first encountered the darkspawn certainly don't think it's a true story.

BurstAngel75 wrote...

So I tend to cringe at the idea of using blood magic, after all using it means that life has no value and a mage can do what ever they please.

That's completely false. It means a mage is merely using a powerful tool at their disposal, which means using blood instead of mana. Merrill used blood magic because the lives of the People meant very much to her, which she makes explicitly clear.

[TEWR]

It's no use Lob. I said the almost the same exact things (forgot the dwarves encountering the Darkspawn first bit) and the OP still thinks it's evil.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 10 juin 2011 - 01:33 .

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

It's no use Lob. I said the almost the same exact things (forgot the dwarves encountering the Darkspawn first bit) and the OP still thinks it's evil.

I find that odd in a thread entitled "Blood magic, Why use it?"

[TEWR]

so did I.

Maybe it was a rhetorical question?

[BurstAngel75]

I guess we are just seeing two philosophical points of view, And of course neither of us will budge. I'm just asking whether or not I'm the only one who does not use blood magic and why/why not. And thank you for your reasoning.

[Serpieri Nei]

BurstAngel75 wrote...

I guess we are just seeing two philosophical points of view, And of course neither of us will budge. I'm just asking whether or not I'm the only one who does not use blood magic and why/why not. And thank you for your reasoning.

Well Said.

My Mages tend to be seekers of power -  no matter how dangerous, pious or evil. A character that follows his whims and values his own liberty above all else. Who won't allow society’s restrictions or a do-gooder's zeal to influence his actions. Does this make me inherently evil? No. Does it make me dangerous. Yes, because authority, order and harmony restricts true freedom and that I cannot allow.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 10 juin 2011 - 02:34 .

[BurstAngel75]

Oooh! An Anarchist!

[dragonflight288]

Whenever I play a mage, I'm always a blood mage. Am I evil? Well, the darkspawn might think so as I slaughter them in droves. Am I aggressive? Ask any of my opponents....wait, they're dead. Am I friendly, 100% approval rating for every companion in Origins, so yes. Am I corrupted?

Well, certainly not by demons....oh look, pretty girls...

[Satyricon331]

I don't think it's inherently evil (actually, I think it's pretty clearly not inherently evil, but I won't argue it since there are already some good arguments here), but I've played with it only once, in DAA. Partly it's just that I'm squeamish about that type of thing, but many of my characters would rather not lose the trust or loyalty of their followers, and even though I know you don't lose actual friendship points for it, w/ better gameplay-storyline integration, you would for many/most of your companions.

edit: well, including Merill it's twice.

Modifié par Satyricon331, 10 juin 2011 - 03:28 .

[lobi]

Blood is natural element and its use is as old as magic itself for amplification of mana. Merril is shocked that Tevinters use Blood of others without their permission. Lyrium is a mined processed mineral that is an addictive substance that ruins the mind. Lyrium also promotes a blackmarket bringing with it criminality and all its associated evil. Who ever controls Lyrium controls the addicts. Body replenishes its blood supply. Giving Blood at Red Cross does not send one insane.

So OP, does your mage use Lyrium? Which is the greater evil?

Modifié par lobi, 10 juin 2011 - 03:50 .

[Keatons]

I seem to recall in Origins (I believe it was during Witch Hunt) that a mage explains that it's only Blood Magic if blood is used to power the spell, instead of lyrium or the mages own mana. Under this interpretation, setting some blood on fire or something wouldn't qualify as Blood Magic, and casting a spell on some blood to find the owner would be little different from say, having a Mabari sniff it and following it to the owner.

[Phoenix_Loftian]

Before you ask why... ask why not?

[HSHAW]

lobi wrote...

Blood is natural element and its use is as old as magic itself for amplification of mana. Merril is shocked that Tevinters use Blood of others without their permission. Lyrium is a mined processed mineral that is an addictive substance that ruins the mind. Lyrium also promotes a blackmarket bringing with it criminality and all its associated evil. Who ever controls Lyrium controls the addicts. Body replenishes its blood supply. Giving Blood at Red Cross does not send one insane.

So OP, does your mage use Lyrium? Which is the greater evil?

It also appears to be a substance that is alive and growing judging by Primeval Thaig....

[Ox_Mox]

I think you're missing the point I'm trying to make.
Food is Life
To use food is to use Life
Food is a gift to be cherished not to be subjugated for Power.
Therefore cooking is inherently evil.
Donating food is sharing food to perpetuate someone else's life.  It is freely given, not taken by force or violence (and cooking is violent, I mean you stab, boil, and melt living things for it to work).  Donating food is an act of love for your fellow man, Cooking is about power over life itself.