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[DPSSOC]

Hello Bioware, played and enjoyed ME 1 & 2, looking forward to ME3.  I was hoping if it's not entirely beyond the realm of possibility that Liara could perhaps not be a crucial component in this one game.  I understand personal tastes varies and not everyone's going to agree with me, but for someone who doesn't like Liara the amount she's forced upon me is really starting to grate.

In ME1 we had to pick her up despite the reasoning being shakey at best (IMO).  That's ok though we didn't have any choice about Ash or Kaidan either.  Then once we've got her on the ship and (if gotten first) proves she has no new insight, understanding, or information to offer (yet) she joins the ground team.  Up til now I'm ok because nothing's being pushed on me; I don't have to bring Liara along for missions and I don't even have to talk to her if I don't feel like it.  However once I've got her she dominates the debriefings giving Ash or Kaidan two or three lines at best, and to top it all off once I've gathered all the pieces of the puzzle and I'm ready to go after Saren the only way to fit them all together is Liara.  No other choice is given, no options explored, it's let the Asari probe your mind or stop playing.

In ME2 I rejoiced that she wouldn't be a member of the team, because it meant somebody else could get the chance to talk.  Then we get to Illium and again I'm forced to go to Liara in order to recruit at least 1 (Couldn't start Thane recruit without Liara) squadmate.  Then the only way to find out how Cerberus got my body is to do a bunch of sidequests for Liara despite having a perfectly good source of info for all things Cerberus close at hand (Miranda).

Then Liara gets a DLC all to herself.

So clearly Bioware you like Liara, or at least a lot of fans like Liara, and I would never think of asking you to cut her from the game for my sake.  However if it's not too much to ask, could you not have Liara be crucial to game progression?  I'm ok with her being in it, but for just this one game could we make her optional? 

[Mr. Gogeta34]

She wasn't killable in the first 2 games, so she'll likely be important.

[Bogsnot1]

Wrex, Garrus and Tali had no new insight, understanding or information to offer, yet they also joined the ground team. At least Liara had an understanding of the Protheans, which, you know, turned out to be fairly important to your mission. Garrus, Tali, and Wrex had nothing to offer your mission once they were on board. Tali couldnt even give you any decent nisight into the Geth the same way Liara did with the Protheans.

We get it, you dont like her. Some people dont like Tali, or Jack, or Miranda, just about everyone didnt like Jacob. Not even Jacob rallied enough hate for people to start a "No Jacob for ME3" thread.
Get over yourself. You're not that important.

[Thepeak12]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Wrex, Garrus and Tali had no new insight, understanding or information to offer, yet they also joined the ground team. At least Liara had an understanding of the Protheans, which, you know, turned out to be fairly important to your mission. Garrus, Tali, and Wrex had nothing to offer your mission once they were on board. Tali couldnt even give you any decent nisight into the Geth the same way Liara did with the Protheans.

We get it, you dont like her. Some people dont like Tali, or Jack, or Miranda, just about everyone didnt like Jacob. Not even Jacob rallied enough hate for people to start a "No Jacob for ME3" thread.
Get over yourself. You're not that important.

+10

OP : I think each character have their own important parts in the game, maybe you are just so focused on Liara because of your opinion of her that its making you think shes having all the major parts. But if you think about it, other characters such as Tali has her own contributive side story such as the Quarians vs Geth war, which is probably going to be big in ME3.

[Senior Cinco]

DPSSOC wrote...
Hello Bioware, played and enjoyed ME 1 & 2, looking forward to ME3.  I was hoping if it's not entirely beyond the realm of possibility that Liara could perhaps not be a crucial component in this one game.

You have got to be kidding...

I understand personal tastes varies and not everyone's going to agree with me...

Figured that out all by yourself, did ya...?

[Eber]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Wrex, Garrus and Tali had no new insight, understanding or information to offer, yet they also joined the ground team. At least Liara had an understanding of the Protheans, which, you know, turned out to be fairly important to your mission. Garrus, Tali, and Wrex had nothing to offer your mission once they were on board. Tali couldnt even give you any decent nisight into the Geth the same way Liara did with the Protheans.

Recruiting Garrus and Wrex is optional and not recommended. They are too suspicious, especially Wrex who as it turns out had been working for Saren. Udina forces Tali on Shepard for reasons unknown.

Liara is the only alien Shepard has to pick up on his/her own accord.

[PMC65]

No.

[Senior Cinco]

Eber wrote...
Recruiting Garrus and Wrex is optional and not recommended. They are too suspicious, especially Wrex who as it turns out had been working for Saren. Udina forces Tali on Shepard for reasons unknown.

Liara is the only alien Shepard has to pick up on his/her own accord.

Wait a min...You have to recr Gar and Wrex, in order to advance the plot. ie...Become Spec and thus leave the Cit...

Modifié par Senior Cinco, 10 juin 2011 - 05:26 .

[Eber]

No, you do not. There are two ways to get to Fist. One is through Wrex and if you take that route you have to recruit him. If however you get your info on Fist from the shadow broker's contact Wrex only shows up when you are leaving the Citadel and says "Hey I hear you're going after Saren. I'm after him too. Let's go together." at which point you can decline or accept. With Garrus it's always a question of simply accepting his help or not.

edit: My memory served me wrong. There is no way to get straight to Fist without going through either Garrus or Wrex. Using the shadow brokers agent only lets you bypass Garrus and not recruit him. If you go the normal route and get your information on Wrex from Garrus then Garrus is not optional but Wrex is.

Modifié par Eber, 10 juin 2011 - 03:37 .

[Senior Cinco]

Eber wrote...

No, you do not. There are two ways to get to Fist. One is through Wrex and if you take that route you have to recruit him. If however you get your info on Fist from the shadow broker's contact Wrex only shows up when you are leaving the Citadel and says "Hey I hear you're going after Saren. I'm after him too. Let's go together." at which point you can decline or accept. With Garrus it's always a question of simply accepting his help or not.

Ha..I didn't know that..I thought they joined the crew, even if you said you didn't need them. So you can play the entire game without them?

[Senior Cinco]

I would get them anyway, just as a storage chest.

[Eber]

Yes you can. If you play without Garrus you can't romance him in ME2 (where you have to recruit him) and one or two lines are changed. Wrex does not appear on Tuchanka if he's left on the Citadel.

[Eber]

Or a manhating Shepard. You get an all female team if Kaidan bites the bullet. Or any Shepard that isn't willing to let total strangers with unknown affiliations invite themselves to a secretive mission.

Modifié par Eber, 10 juin 2011 - 05:57 .

[Collider]

It would be very refreshing to see Liara taken off the pedestal they've put her on time and time again.
Liara herself generally doesn't offend me one iota, but the marketing is very, very annoying.

Modifié par Collider, 10 juin 2011 - 06:02 .

[Seboist]

Collider wrote...

It would be very refreshing to see Liara taken off the pedestal they've put her on time and time again.
Liara herself generally doesn't offend me one iota, but the marketing is very, very annoying.

Liara is clearly a favorite of BW. She's literally the ONLY squadmate that has ZERO chance of dying in both ME1 and 2.I hope she has a chance of dying in the third one but I'm not holding my breath....

[Senior Cinco]

I don't understand why Liara is considered spotlighted. You don't have that much interaction with her IMO. The convo is limited to just about 2-3 min of dialog at the the end of her rescue mission. After that it's just another couple of lines and cutscenes. That's it. You don't have to ever talk to her or take her on any missions. In ME2, there is a brief convo about the location of two recruits. Again about 60 sec of dialog. You don't have to do her little quests. If you don't play the DLC, then your involvement with her is even less than that of ME1. Which at the min, totals no more than 5 min at the most. That's 5 min out of over 30hrs of gameplay.

EDIT: I'm not a pro blue by any means. I don't have a fav char other than Him/Fem Shep. I would run the whole game Lone Wolf if I could. I just don't get the whole "She's on top" thing. Hmmm...well there is that one part...

Modifié par Senior Cinco, 10 juin 2011 - 06:35 .

[78stonewobble]

She was the one with the most biotic skills in me1 right?

So if that was your thing for the squad you'd pick her.

Well anyway... It part of being a leader of a group to be able to work with different people.

[Ieldra]

Senior Cinco wrote...
I don't understand why Liara is considered spotlighted.

(1) She the only team member who can't die
(2) In LotSB she's given perhaps the second most important role a single person can have in the galaxy
(3) She's available as an LI for all Shepards, and the only one with that distinction.

Having said that, at least she has an important role in the plot that justifies her being spotlighted somewhat even though it makes it weird she'll be a full-time team member in ME3 - one would think being the SB is a full-time job. Compare Mr.Eternal Sidekick Garrus Vakarian, who is omnipresent with no justification at all.

[Senior Cinco]

Ieldra2 wrote...(1) She the only team member who can't die

No..She doesn't die because she ISN'T a team member.

(2) In LotSB she's given perhaps the second most important role a single person can have in the galaxy

It's not exactly thrown in your face to progress the plot. Don't like it...Don't buy it...

(3) She's available as an LI for all Shepards, and the only one with that distinction

Again...So what? She 's an Asari. ALL Asari are Bi. Don't like it...Don't talk to her...

[AlexMBrennan]

Don't like it...Don't buy it..

But it's game content! Every Shepard has to complete every mission (and complain afterwards that it conflicts with his alignment)

Seriously though, they probably needed someone to advance whatever plot they didn't want to involve Shepard in. After ME1 they could have picked Liara or Tali, and they happened to pick Liara. Since ME3 is the end of the series there will be no further need to advance plots so everybody will likely lose their plot armour.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 10 juin 2011 - 08:31 .

[Zan51]

Dear Bioware,
"if it's not entirely beyond the realm of possibility that Jacob and Miranda could perhaps not be crucial components in this one game.  I understand personal tastes varies and not everyone's going to agree with me, but for someone who doesn't like either Jacob or Miranda, the amount they're forced upon me is really starting to grate." 
/irony mode off ....

C'mon, there's nothing wrong with Liara, she is, as others have said, the Shadow Broker now, the one person with miore information than TIM. If you don't want her help, don't take it, I sure will.

To be honest, she was not forced on us in the other 2 games, not the way the whole Cerberus set up was in 2. I totally avoided Jacob because of the dialogue between my FemShep and him - it was so cheesy. As for Miranda, well I won't go into it any further than to agree with that merc who said about her whoring around in her skin tight outfit! Those 2 really were pushed on you! I never took them off ship except for their LM, and didn't even use Liara except for the mission to get her mother. I used Kaiden, Wrex and Garrus for most of 1, and Garrus and Grunt mostly for 2.

Modifié par Zan51, 10 juin 2011 - 09:15 .

[Senior Cinco]

No no..Get rid of Garrus! BW , please ( that is if it's not too much to ask ). He just being thrown down my throat all the time, and with that grasshopper / cat face, I don't know if I should hit him with bug spray or change his litter box.