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[Omega-202]

Here we stand in the year 2186 or 2187 and we're watching the news.  

The news broadcast comes up with the "Alliance News Network" opening displaying different cities from around the world.

A) The first thing I notice: All of the cities listed currently exist.  There is not a single new city name on the screen.  Not a even a slight permutation of current city names.  

What are the odds that in nearly 180 years, not a single additional important new city will have developed?  What are the odds that currently important cities would remain important?   Case in point, Dubai was one of the city names in the opening.  180 years ago, Dubai was nothing.  It was a trading port city with no importance to the world.  Today, its the pinnacle of opulence. 

OK, I can forgive the cities.  No big deal....Wait.....Did they just show a map of the world?  Were all of the country boarders ALL STILL THE SAME AS TODAY?  No, how could they be so brainless?  I mean, we have countless codex entries and timeline information detailing all of the wars that supposed to have occurred during the 180 year time between now and the games.  

I mean, most obvious is we that we know there is no longer a US and Canada in ME lore.  US/Canada/Mexico was supposed to become the United North American States.  

THINGS CHANGE, and I would have expected BioWare's creative staff to reflect something so simple in their trailer.  

How could the writers, designers and director have been so lazy?  

[felipejiraya]

In the newsbar of the german transmission they mention the U.N.A.S. if it helps you to calm down. XD

[Medhia Nox]

Sorry friend - but there are cities far older than New York or even London in the world. 100 plus years is nothing for a city.

Example: London has been around (though by other names) for about 2000 years.

[SNascimento]

Rome has been important for the past 2500 years.

[aksoileau]

What's lore have to do with borders and city names?

[Rake21]

I'm not up to date on the lore. Were all boarders officially dissolved?

[Inutaisho7996]

Omega-202 wrote...

OK, I can forgive the cities.  No big deal....Wait.....Did they just show a map of the world?  Were all of the country boarders ALL STILL THE SAME AS TODAY?  No, how could they be so brainless?  I mean, we have countless codex entries and timeline information detailing all of the wars that supposed to have occurred during the 180 year time between now and the games.  

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/7558289

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Earth Read the trivia section.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 10 juin 2011 - 03:36 .

[Bogsnot1]

A) Nerdrage would flood the internets as fans like yourself shout how Bioware is just maknig thnigs up, and how dare they not base it in real cities so they can "feel the immersion"
Sure, USA, Mexico and Canada may become one great big country, but did you even possibly think about it being shown in terms of states within that country? Also, if you had bothered to chekc the forums, there have threads mentioning this as well, only that some of the currently independant eastern eurpoean states have been merged, as if they were using a world map from the 1970's.

Get out, and take your fail with you.

[Medhia Nox]

Well - it's true... Istanbul WAS Constantinople.

[KotorEffect3]

Geez talk about nitpicking

[Aimi]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Also, if you had bothered to chekc the forums, there have threads mentioning this as well, only that some of the currently independant eastern eurpoean states have been merged, as if they were using a world map from the 1970's.

Actually, there were only two merges: one historical one (Serbia and Montenegro are back together again like they were at the turn of the millennium) and one unhistorical one (Turkey and Syria are together in what appears to be a simple map error).  There's a third, fourth, and fifth one as well, if you think Kosovo is independent right now (jury's out on that diplomatically), or South Ossetia and Abkhazia (same reason, different people).  Anyway, it's not even close to the seventies.

I agree with you on pretty much everything else (you know, everything that matters).

[shnizzler93]

This is just personal fancy, it doesn't have to do with the lore. Nothing in ME states that the name of the cities and/or the borders of countries had to change between present day and 2185.

[AlanC9]

Omega-202 wrote...
A) The first thing I notice: All of the cities listed currently exist.  There is not a single new city name on the screen.  Not a even a slight permutation of current city names. 

What are the odds that in nearly 180 years, not a single additional important new city will have developed?  What are the odds that currently important cities would remain important?   Case in point, Dubai was one of the city names in the opening.  180 years ago, Dubai was nothing.  It was a trading port city with no importance to the world.  Today, its the pinnacle of opulence.

Dubai came into existence basically because of oil. What new economic development would cause the rise of a new city from nothing today? Eezo, maybe, if the stuff came from someplace on Earth. But it doesn't.

[Omega-202]

felipejiraya wrote...

In the newsbar of the german transmission they mention the U.N.A.S. if it helps you to calm down. XD

I saw that, and all that says to me is that they didn't vet the trailer like they should have.  It would have taken 30 seconds for one of their writers to have said "Wait, go back and redraw that map".  But this way, it means they are aware that this is contradictory and didn't bother to change it.  

Medhia Nox wrote...

Sorry friend - but there are cities far older than New York or even London in the world. 100 plus years is nothing for a city. 

Example: London has been around (though by other names) for about 2000 years.

And that has to do with what?  

London was on there.  Rome was on there.  And?  

My complaint was that all of the cities on there are in existence today.  Its as if that news broadcast was put out today.  If they wanted to be true to the idea of "This is news from the future" they should have included city names that DON'T YET EXIST or that do exist but aren't yet important.    

Add in some realistic sounding city names with obvious cultural ties where you can guess what country they probably belong to.  Something like "San Tomas" or "Kangbashi".  

[tobynator89]

Since when does this conflict with lore? habitation space in cities has increased due to prevalence of immense arcology skyskraper habitats that can house half a million apiece. thus there hasn't been any needs for new living centers. There hasn't been any new colonialization on earth either so no new settlements has been founded Instead we've probably seen a continuation of the trend of existing settlements growing as the population stabilizes to a level that can be supported by the planet.

[Rake21]

Omega-202 wrote...



My complaint was that all of the cities on there are in existence today.  Its as if that news broadcast was put out today.  If they wanted to be true to the idea of "This is news from the future" they should have included city names that DON'T YET EXIST or that do exist but aren't yet important.    

Add in some realistic sounding city names with obvious cultural ties where you can guess what country they probably belong to.  Something like "San Tomas" or "Kangbashi".  

So if they had added in a fake name, you would have been happy?  Could it be that those cities, major hubs of industry and technology, were chosen because they are still important in the future?

[ramnozack]

it was just a trailer to make the game look cool i dont really care if the continents reformed into 1 big land mass again i was just lookin at the live-action techno zombehs :3

[ThatDancingTurian]

I didn't even notice the map. I was too distracted by all of the white guys in modern-day business suits.

Also I swear I've seen that first guy in another commercial. I literally thought it was a pre-video ad for the first few seconds.

[lietk12]

AlanC9 wrote...
What new economic development would cause the rise of a new city from nothing today?

Well, Singapore (granted, already a major city) developed an International Spaceport--so minor cities/locations could possibly (but unlikely) have developed into larger hubs.

[Omega-202]

tobynator89 wrote...

Since when does this conflict with lore? habitation space in cities has increased due to prevalence of immense arcology skyskraper habitats that can house half a million apiece. thus there hasn't been any needs for new living centers. There hasn't been any new colonialization on earth either so no new settlements has been founded Instead we've probably seen a continuation of the trend of existing settlements growing as the population stabilizes to a level that can be supported by the planet.

But that's not necessarily true.  

New cities are rising the forefront and others are falling by the wayside in the world RIGHT NOW.  180 years is more than enough time for entire cities to be wiped off the map.  

In ME lore, Earth is on its way toward an ecumenopolis.  Its not stagnant.  The population of the ME era Earth is double what it is today.  It would be foolish to say that not a single new city will develop that rivals the ones listed.  

AlanC9 wrote...
Dubai came into existence basically because of oil. What new economic development would cause the rise of a new city from nothing today? Eezo, maybe, if the stuff came from someplace on Earth. But it doesn't.

You missed the second reason that Dubai became what it is:
TRANSPORT

Dubai also developed as a major port city in addition to its oil.  Which brings me to the next point:

What kind of industry would BOOM in a future dominated by space travel and colonization?  SPACEPORTS

You can't just build a spaceport inside of current cities.  There isn't enough physical room.  Spaceports would need to be built out away from CURRENT major urban areas.  Look at where they're building "Spaceport America"....the middle of nowhere.  

So are you telling me that all of these spaceports acting as the gateway off world WOULDN'T have become major urban centers in and of themselves?  That not a single one would have ranked as an influence center?  

[Omega-202]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I didn't even notice the map. I was too distracted by all of the white guys in modern-day business suits.

Also I swear I've seen that first guy in another commercial. I literally thought it was a pre-video ad for the first few seconds.

That too.  

Honestly the entire video screamed of "lazy".  

[Omega-202]

Rake21 wrote...

So if they had added in a fake name, you would have been happy?  Could it be that those cities, major hubs of industry and technology, were chosen because they are still important in the future?

Yes.  I would have been happier.  In addition to accurate "international" borders on the map.  

It would be expected that the cities shown would still be important.  But the odds that they are still the ONLY important cities on the planet?  There's no imaginable way.  Its simply not possible.  

[Medhia Nox]

But the question is - "Why"?

Making a new city just for the sake of "This is science fiction." Seems like poor reasoning.

I prefer my fiction (be it sci-fi, fantasy, or something more tame) to have analogues I can identify with. Science fiction (unlike most fantasy) has the luxury of being based in our real world most of the time. Why not use cities I can be familiar with?

What does - "Port Leos" mean to me? It's just another sci-fi name where I land and blow stuff up. At least places like NY or London have some frame of reference... "Oh crap, that's Big Ben! *BOOM*"

[Rake21]

Omega-202 wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

So if they had added in a fake name, you would have been happy?  Could it be that those cities, major hubs of industry and technology, were chosen because they are still important in the future?

Yes.  I would have been happier.  In addition to accurate "international" borders on the map.  

It would be expected that the cities shown would still be important.  But the odds that they are still the ONLY important cities on the planet?  There's no imaginable way.  Its simply not possible.  

Let's look at it from a hype stand point, the point of most trailers.  What has a bigger impact on a person?  A news reporter from a known major city freaking out, or some guy in a made up town freaking out.

I'm not saying there aren't new cities on future Earth, I'm just saying that I have no emotional link to them and could care less what goes on there.  From a trailer standpoint, a set of known cities makes more sense.

[ShadowLordXXX]

Er so if BioWare threw in fake names you'd be happy? Just wondering how your psychic powers enable you to predict the future? This seems like you are really REALLY just looking for something to whine about. There's nothing in ME lore that said none of these cities are major cities in the future.