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[CroGamer002]

A) The first thing I notice: All of the cities listed currently exist.  There is not a single new city name on the screen.  Not a even a slight permutation of current city names.  

What are the odds that in nearly 180 years, not a single additional important new city will have developed?  What are the odds that currently important cities would remain important? Case in point, Dubai was one of the city names in the opening.  180 years ago, Dubai was nothing.  It was a trading port city with no importance to the world.  Today, its the pinnacle of opulence.

Dubai in trailer?
Where?

We only saw maybe American news reporter, maybe British new reporter with doctor ******, French news reporter, German news reporter, Japanese news reporter and San Francisco.

OK, I can forgive the cities.  No big deal....Wait.....Did they just show a map of the world?  Were all of the country boarders ALL STILL THE SAME AS TODAY?  No, how could they be so brainless?  I mean, we have countless codex entries and timeline information detailing all of the wars that supposed to have occurred during the 180 year time between now and the games.

From WW2 to today only once there was big border changes.
During fall of communism( USSR, Czechoslovakia and Germany) and war in former Yugoslavia.

Also those can be STATE borders not SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES border. As far as I know every European country is in EU that most certainly works like Federation.

I mean, most obvious is we that we know there is no longer a US and Canada in ME lore.  US/Canada/Mexico was supposed to become the United North American States.  

THINGS CHANGE, and I would have expected BioWare's creative staff to reflect something so simple in their trailer.  

How could the writers, designers and director have been so lazy?

No, just there were no big wars in Europe for 180 years nor some new ideology came out.
Also EU pretty much made Alliance and did most of the job for space program.

Also UNAS was in civil war.

Modifié par Mesina2, 10 juin 2011 - 10:46 .

[Phaedon]

Omega-202 wrote...

Here we stand in the year 2186 or 2187 and we're watching the news.  

The news broadcast comes up with the "Alliance News Network" opening displaying different cities from around the world.

A) The first thing I notice: All of the cities listed currently exist.  There is not a single new city name on the screen.  Not a even a slight permutation of current city names.  

What are the odds that in nearly 180 years, not a single additional important new city will have developed?  What are the odds that currently important cities would remain important?   Case in point, Dubai was one of the city names in the opening.  180 years ago, Dubai was nothing.  It was a trading port city with no importance to the world.  Today, its the pinnacle of opulence. 

OK, I can forgive the cities.  No big deal....Wait.....Did they just show a map of the world?  Were all of the country boarders ALL STILL THE SAME AS TODAY?  No, how could they be so brainless?  I mean, we have countless codex entries and timeline information detailing all of the wars that supposed to have occurred during the 180 year time between now and the games.  

I mean, most obvious is we that we know there is no longer a US and Canada in ME lore.  US/Canada/Mexico was supposed to become the United North American States.  

THINGS CHANGE, and I would have expected BioWare's creative staff to reflect something so simple in their trailer.  

How could the writers, designers and director have been so lazy?  

UNAS =/= Unified country

[CroGamer002]

Omega-202 wrote...

Occulo wrote...

The trailer never said anything about new cities not existing. What, just because London and other major cities are there you jump to the conclusion no new cities have been built evar?

*sigh*

At the beginning, they do the classic "globe + names of cities around the world" that a lot of news stations open with.  It was a very nice effect that clearly told the viewer that they were watching a news broadcast.  

BUT 

The cities listed during the news opening are all currently important cities.  There are NO new city names shown.  

THAT indicates that there hasn't been any kind of new important urban center to rival the ones shown.  

You know, London is important city for centuries.
Rome is important city for centuries.
Paris is important city for centuries.

[onelifecrisis]

WTF OP? Is this an attempt at satire?

[Ulicus]

*shrug* It's a trailer. Did anyone get this worked up when Caleston and Noveria were in the same system in the ME1 trailer, even though they were a galaxy apart?

Trailers have nothing to do with lore. They're only there to get the gist across.

ME1 trailer: "Shepard has to make difficult decisions!"
ME2 trailer: "Shepard has to recruit a team!"
ME3 trailer: "Shepard has to stop these big bad machines!"

The actual reality of the setting has never been reflected accurately in the trailers. Never.

It isn't worth getting worked up over.

Modifié par Ulicus, 10 juin 2011 - 10:55 .

[Shinannigan]

I do agree woith the OP to an extent, namely that it is likely that there will be some changes in the importance of cities in the next 176 years.
Just within the last century, Constantinople has been renamed to Istanbul and Christiania, the capital of Norway, has been renamed to Oslo, and neither was due to wars between countries, but due to internal changes.
Not to mention the several name changes of St. Petersburg, Wolgograd and several East German cities and townships due to communism and its downfall.
Also, I can't imagine Dubai still being of such an importance once oil becomes redundant, considering that even a small rise of the sea level would have catastrophic consequences for Dubai or would require extremely expensive architectural projects to maintain the city.

However, to blame a fun trailer, which as far as I understand wasn't even made by Bioware themselves (@patsquinade tweeted that he had no idea this thing existed) but rather by some pretty awesome fans with the right support, for such minor details, is really beyond nitpicking. There's so many details to be enjoyed, from the Husks to the tiny holographic pin on the suit of the interviewer - I'm just grateful that someone took the effort to make this thing.

Modifié par Shinannigan, 10 juin 2011 - 11:02 .

[Ulicus]

Wait, this isn't even an official trailer we're talking about? L.O.L.

[Shinannigan]

Ulicus wrote...

Wait, this isn't even an official trailer we're talking about? L.O.L.

It's official in so far that it's supported (and probably financed) by Bioware/EA marketing, but I don't know how many of the Bioware-writers were involved.

[Phaedon]

Guys, relax about the trailer. There are a couple of mistakes there, even based on today's knowledge, and from what I have gathered on Twitter, cosplay fans had a lot of involvement with it. This is not made by Bioware (mostly EA Marketing and fans), so it doesn't really need to follow the lore for small things like this.

[Jenaimarre]

lietk12 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
What new economic development would cause the rise of a new city from nothing today?

Well, Singapore (granted, already a major city) developed an International Spaceport--so minor cities/locations could possibly (but unlikely) have developed into larger hubs.

I like you for mentioning Singapore.

[CroGamer002]

Shinannigan wrote...

I do agree woith the OP to an extent, namely that it is likely that there will be some changes in the importance of cities in the next 176 years.
Just within the last century, Constantinople has been renamed to Istanbul and Christiania, the capital of Norway, has been renamed to Oslo, and neither was due to wars between countries, but due to internal changes.
Not to mention the several name changes of St. Petersburg, Wolgograd and several East German cities and townships due to communism and its downfall.

It's Volgograd actually.

But there were many changes in Europe for changing name of cities.
We don't know any major change in Europe in Mass Effect universe between today and 2186.

Also, I can't imagine Dubai still being of such an importance once oil becomes redundant, considering that even a small rise of the sea level would have catastrophic consequences for Dubai or would require extremely expensive architectural projects to maintain the city.

They have ton of money. They could have bought colony or 2.

Also many countries on Earth didn't pass 20th century technology standards.

However, to blame a fun trailer, which as far as I understand wasn't even made by Bioware themselves (@patsquinade tweeted that they had no idea this thing existed) but rather by some pretty awesome fans with the right support, for such minor details, si really beyond nitpicking. There's so many details to be enjoyed, from the Husks to the tiny holographic pin on the suit of the interviewer - I'm just grateful that someone took the effort to make this thing.

This trailer looks professionally made and very expensive( CGI looks great and acting pretty good) so I think EA made it.

[CroGamer002]

Phaedon wrote...

Guys, relax about the trailer. There are a couple of mistakes there, even based on today's knowledge, and from what I have gathered on Twitter, cosplay fans had a lot of involvement with it. This is not made by Bioware (mostly EA Marketing and fans), so it doesn't really need to follow the lore for small things like this.

Yeah, I pointed out 1 mistake few days ago.



Thread didn't end well though in direction I didn't except it will go.

[Dannyboy9876]

Wow, Topic Creator, how interesting! No one cares!

[Winterfly]

Thing is, people would go on a rampage, certain people in our world cannot handle fiction that is not their dreamy world home made fiction who makes them look like the "people of ultimate power" so they would go cry a ton about it. Sigh.

Guess EA want to avoid cry babies and sueing cause someones damn nation is off the chart.

European Union as one nation would not offend me as a Swede.

[Shinannigan]

Winterfly wrote...

Thing is, people would go on a rampage, certain people in our world cannot handle fiction that is not their dreamy world home made fiction who makes them look like the "people of ultimate power" so they would go cry a ton about it. Sigh.

Guess EA want to avoid cry babies and sueing cause someones damn nation is off the chart.

European Union as one nation would not offend me as a Swede.

Nor me as a German.

And I had actually been hoping that ME3 would start with a news montage like this, but having it as a live-action trailer is just as good, nevermind the suits.

[Dr. rotinaj]

Wow OP. Is this really a serious problem to you.