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[KirkyX]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

Teknor wrote...

xI extremist Ix wrote...

Well, in Overlord Shepard gets hacked by the AI.

It's because Overlord tech is specifically designed to be interfacable with humans. 

So somehow an AI (Computer) can hack the human brain without cybernetics? I doubt that. Shepard's eye balls were glowing.

He definitely has cybernetics - technically speaking, even his biotic amp would count - but that does not necessarily mean he's been implanted with Reaper tech. It's an interesting idea though; it'd be kind of cool to play through a few sequences of Shepard trying to maintain control of his own body while a Reaper/TIM attempts to take over.

[Alex06]

Valadras21 wrote...

If they had magic reaper tech that could bring Shepard back, they wouldn't have needed to spend 2 years and billions of credits hiring medical geniuses to put him/her back together. Also, it's kind of hard to imagine how they could've gotten tech that could be repurposed for medical tech for a human from Sovereign. They were able to build basically a Reaper AI, sure, but that was more of a direct copy of tech they had obtained.

If Shepard had a control chip, the Illusive man would've taken advantage of it when paragon Shepard decides to destroy the base. Also remember the control chip was Miranda's idea, and she states that the Illusive man wouldn't let her do it.

Also remember that the Illusive man doesn't know exactly what the Collectors are doing with the humans. He states this at the beginning of ME2, right after Freedom's progress. He might have his suspicions at that point, but he wouldn't have any idea prior to Shepard gaining Veetor's data. That's already well after Shepard's revived. TIM's motives for bringing Shepard back are as simple as this: the Reapers are targetting humans, and Shepard is the most successful at fighting them.

If he knew he would've had access to major Reaper tech, he would've used a loyal follower like Miranda to recover it for him. It would've been far less expensive and risky. He wouldn't have potentially wasted all the time, money and effort to bring Shepard back, especially if he would've needed some kind of insurance, like a control chip.

I think the larger concern for having Shepard implanted with Reaper tech is from Arrival. It's an unavoidable event where Shepard is unconcious for 2 days while being surrounded by indoctrinated Reaper followers. They could've loaded Shep's brain with all kinds of bad things in that time. In that case, there's 2 reasons Shepard might still be ok. First, is that they were struggling to keep Shepard KO'd. Shepard is beyond perfect physically, so they had to keep loading him/her with sedatives just to keep him/her from waking up and tearing people apart with his/her bare hands... which happened anyway. The point is, it would've been nearly impossible to perform an operation in those circumstances.

Secondly, the only Reaper tech on the asteroid was the artifact, Object Rho, which definitely did not indoctrinate Shepard. They did not have any other traditional means of indoctrination, so Shepard is likely safe. Furthermore, the artifact is destroyed and Shepard is fine after the DLC.

If Shepard were to ever fall under Reaper control, it would likely be due to events that occur exclusively in ME3.

I don't know, but I have this feeling, that they've been hinting throughout ME2 that Shepard is immune to indoctrination, and is perhaps the only Human or even the only sentient being in the galaxy. Perhaps it's genetic, like Echo in Dollhouse. Or perhaps it's due to sheer will and training. Perhaps Shepard is just too damn motivated, strong, stubborn and/or well-conditionned to become indoctrinated, like Luke Skywalker from Star Wars. (I had another, better example for the latter, but I forgot; Pretty sure it was from a sci-fi movie or game)

Keep in mind that even the Overlord AI couldn't manage to control him, and Shepard has been face-to-face with Reapers without any adverse effects in the past. That's why TIM probably didn't want to change anything when bringing him back.

Modifié par Alex06, 11 juin 2011 - 10:26 .

[azerSheppard]

I have been debating this very possibility since Overlord was released, if Shepard can be hacked by Geth/human infusion, than he is likely to be hacked by the Reapers.

[Alex06]

azerSheppard wrote...

I have been debating this very possibility since Overlord was released, if Shepard can be hacked by Geth/human infusion, than he is likely to be hacked by the Reapers.

He got hacked, but still regained control, or more like, managed to keep control of himself. The Geth/Human AI only managed to interface with him (IE connect with him) and send his brain incorrect information, but it couldn't control Shepard. And I'm guessing Shepard developped a resistance to it.

Modifié par Alex06, 11 juin 2011 - 11:06 .

[xI extremist Ix]

nitrog100 wrote...

Honestly, I think Reaper tech is overrated. It's just an extremely large AI controlled ship. The Turians were able to create the Thanix cannon in several years. Any ship that big is bound to be super powerful. It's bigger than the Destiny Ascension. The whole thing with the human slurry is what makes them seem so mystical.

The thanix cannon was produced by the turians from repear debris after the battle of the citadel.

[Destroy Raiden_]

mione wrote...

My friend and I have played ME2 quite a few times (I even now checked the mass effect wiki to make sure) and I can not find anywhere where EDI says Shep has Reaper tech in her/him.

Someone post a video or it's not real. . .

She doesn't say Shep has reaper tech in him. She says Cerberus used reaper tech in making her so the logical leap from there is the used it inside shep too. Until Miranda gives details or we find very specific detailed files on the LProject we can speculate on any tech they used untill it is confirmed or denied by said files.

[Homebound]

Miranda specifically says Shepard was to be brought back the way he was before. This confirms that there is no reapertech in Shepard.

EDI is part-Reaper. That is ALL.

[xI extremist Ix]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Miranda specifically says Shepard was to be brought back the way he was before. This confirms that there is no reapertech in Shepard.

EDI is part-Reaper. That is ALL.

Yeah, but what we are trying to say is the Lazarus Technology is retroffited Reaper Tech, or at least that is what I am trying to say.

[Rip504]

TIM did say he didn't want to take any chance of changing who Shepard is/was.
So it could easily be written in that Cerberus did not use Reaper tech in Shepard,because there was a chance something could go wrong and Shepard would change. Betray Cerberus and Mankind. So TIM took precautions and didn't install Reaper Tech in Shepard.

Either way I think it would be lame if used as a plot device in ME3

Edit:I do like the idea Shepard is immune to indoctrination. Good post.!.

Modifié par Rip504, 12 juin 2011 - 03:11 .

[Shishmish]

If Cerberus has any intel - and intel is something they are indeed good at, they wouldnt play with reaper tech on humans, If you look how bad did that play out with Saren. Illusive Man considers Reapers a huge threat and testing that tech on Shepard himself (or herself) would be downright dumb and that much more risky. Imagine if the investment that cost TIM a huge amount of money (one with he could buy a whole army as Shepard says it) suddenly backfired and Shepard gets controlled by reapers. If they wanted to play with reaper tech on human organisms it would make more sense to take a random guinea pig, some half dead Cerberus agent than an important individual as Shepard.

Shepard is interesting to the Reapers and Collectors for what he accomplished. Reapers did their thing for 50 million years undisturbed. Yet now you have one human that managed to hold them back, something nobody else in 50 million wasnt able to do. If I was them, I would want to get this individual, see what makes him tick, how is he so much superior than those before him. And since reapers are it seems organisms with both biological and technical parts, maybe this individuals data can be used to improve the reaper design as well: I would guess that was the purpose of the human reaper in the Collectors base.

[D.Sharrah]

Well even if Shepard was "re-built" with Reaper tech it doesn't automatically mean that hew will end up like Grayson...remember one of the reasons we are going to "recruit" Okeer was because he had dealings with the Collectors, and he tells us that he already used all that tech to make Grunt (and we know that any tech that the Collectors have at this point, woudl be Reaper tech). And there has been absolutely no indication that Grunt is going to turn reaper zombie at some point.

[sympathy4saren]

And he's not Indoctrinated how?

[Xerxes52]

sympathy4saren wrote...

And he's not Indoctrinated how?

What if the Reaper tech allowed him to indoctrinate or control others?

Shep: Miranda! Get out there and take out that YMIR!

Miranda: But Shepard I'm injur-

Shep: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL!!!

Miranda/Shep: THIS HURTS YOU!!!

*blows up YMIR*

It would be like Ravenor, in MASS EFFECT!!!

[ShaggyWolf]

Alex06 wrote...

I don't know, but I have this feeling, that they've been hinting throughout ME2 that Shepard is immune to indoctrination, and is perhaps the only Human or even the only sentient being in the galaxy. Perhaps it's genetic, like Echo in Dollhouse. Or perhaps it's due to sheer will and training. Perhaps Shepard is just too damn motivated, strong, stubborn and/or well-conditionned to become indoctrinated, like Luke Skywalker from Star Wars. (I had another, better example for the latter, but I forgot; Pretty sure it was from a sci-fi movie or game)

Keep in mind that even the Overlord AI couldn't manage to control him, and Shepard has been face-to-face with Reapers without any adverse effects in the past. That's why TIM probably didn't want to change anything when bringing him back.

I agree, I think Shepard getting indoctrinated is basically impossible. The purpose of my previous post was to explain why Shepard can't possibly be indoctrinated/ or built with reaper tech at this point. I don't personally think Shep will be indoctrinated, myself, but if it were to happen, it would be because of something that happens in ME3, not before.

A good parallel comparison for Shepard's immunity would be Altair's bloodline in the Assassin's Creed games, if you've played those.

[whitey4444]

mione wrote...

My friend and I have played ME2 quite a few times (I even now checked the mass effect wiki to make sure) and I can not find anywhere where EDI says Shep has Reaper tech in her/him.

Someone post a video or it's not real. . .

(I think it was mentioned in Retribution - although maybe I just inferred that from what went on)

Sorry, was wrong, it wasn't.

Modifié par whitey4444, 16 juin 2011 - 01:52 .

[Medhia Nox]

@Xerxes52 - that's a horrible idea... but it's frigg'n hilarious!

Shepard: Garrus, have time to talk.

Garrus: Sorry Shepard, I still have some calibrations...

Shepard: ASSUMING CONTROL

====

Oh man, that's great... that could be used anywhere.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Shep's tech doesn't allow him to be indoctrinated it would allow him to be hacked and possessed like all the collector cannon fodder we fought in ME2. Except Harbi would most likely blast him with an emp or other electric based stun, hack him simultaneously, and boom he gets to assume control of shep and shep's allies better run.

I also think TIMs chip was meant to trigger something of a controlled subconscious while shep is under reaper control. TIM would use the chip to force shep to say sabotage something the reapers ask him to get so shep still gets the item the reapers say its just he then makes it faulty and the reapers won't know until they try to use the thing. Tim makes shep serve two masters unwillingly sense I'm sure shep wants to do his own things his own way and neither of them are gong to let him do that.

[Myrmedus]

I personally always interpreted it that the implants Shepard has, and the technology used in the Lazarus Project, were largely Reaper tech anyway - this is why when you're Renegade and the implants in your eyes are visible they're the same design as TIM's and Reaper troops'.

As for the Overlord 'hack', I think it's a combination of things already mentioned:

- Shepard has some tech in him, Reaper or not.

- The Overlord VI was a human-VI hybrid, giving it compatibility with a human.

- Like Chewin mentioned: Shepard isn't being controlled, it's merely his perception of reality that changes. When you move through the corridors, those are real corridors it's just you see them like circuitry.