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[mnmseven]

I wonder if there any Reaper get killed during the initial invasion of earth.
If hundred ships can't take down one Reaper, I don't see how a galaxy's combined fleet would defeat them.
That would make Reapers insanely strong and cartoon-ish too.

Modifié par mnmseven, 10 juin 2011 - 02:59 .

[Locutus_of_BORG]

As others have said, the 'hundres and thousands of ships' thing could include all the misc. warships they have, like frigates, gunboats, etc., as opposed to just the capital ships, which number 200. This isn't to say that the Alliance hasn't bumped up its number of capital ships past their legal limit over the course of ME1-2 (we know the Turians do in ME2, depending on choices made in ME1).

Also, ME3 starts in Vancouver/Seattle, so yes, the Reapers hit the USA as well.

Finally, as Houston said during the last live Q+A, the Reapers start somewhere in Batarian space. Earth isn't FIRST on the List, it's Second, but only b/c it's the next closest place.

[Whereto]

O Tucker wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Doesn't Alliance has only 200 ships?

Codex...
The Alliance maintains an impressive navy consisting of over 200 vessels ranging from small hundred meter frigates to imposing kilometer long dreadnoughts and carriers. It is one of the greater forces in Citadel space and a serious rival to that of the turians, however, the Alliance is only entitled to a small number of dreadnoughts compared to the turians, a 1 to 5 ratio as of 2183, due to the Treaty of Farixen limiting their construction among the citadel races. The Alliance navy has made up for this with the innovative design and deployment of carriers, which are as large as dreadnoughts but are not restrained by the Treaty of Farixen. The fleet is headquartered at Arcturus Station,a strategically invaluable installation whose system contains several primary mass relays leading to human territory in addition to the secondary mass relay to Earth, and as such it is heavily defended by sizable naval forces.

You can argue it says over 200 but why would it say over 200 instead of over 1000?

there is no codex entry that confirms that number. those numbers are from the frirst mass effect book, set nearly 30 years before ME1

Yeah it is possibal to build up a huge force in a small amount of time, Like Germany in 1933 when hitler came to power in just 7 years germany went from only having 100,000 men with no tanks, Warplanes, subs and only 7 battleships to having one of the most advanced and biggest armies in the world, Just think how many new ships the Alliance navy could make in 30 years! And the alliance was rebuilding its fleet after the first attack so they would of done it at a fast pase as a sense of security.

Youve got a case there O Tucker, but im not totaly sure the analogy works in its entirety, due to space ships being slightly different in scale to tanks and ships. Although in the future it may be exactly the same considering the advances in tech.

Also LOL at Adelaide, wonder what convinced Bioware to do a minor(considering Australians other cities) city instead of Sydney or Melbourne. Not saying it isnt cool, just different, and slightly funny

[Itkovian]

Mesina2 wrote...

In other words...





This guy is a moron.
With that I can deal with.

While it could be that the figure is accurate in some way (big buildup, more than humans were defending, fighters involved, etc)... remember that this guy is a TV pundit/analyst.

Regardless of whether or not what he says is accurate, he is most likely a blithering idiot who has only a passing understanding of the subject matter he is hired to comment upon.

Itkovian

[tobynator89]

What is also important to remember is that the alliance wasn't the main earth power before first contact, but more of a UN type organization. Only after they proved themselves did they become the true representative of earth with full acess to all it's resources.

[CroGamer002]

O Tucker wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Doesn't Alliance has only 200 ships?

Codex...
The Alliance maintains an impressive navy consisting of over 200 vessels ranging from small hundred meter frigates to imposing kilometer long dreadnoughts and carriers. It is one of the greater forces in Citadel space and a serious rival to that of the turians, however, the Alliance is only entitled to a small number of dreadnoughts compared to the turians, a 1 to 5 ratio as of 2183, due to the Treaty of Farixen limiting their construction among the citadel races. The Alliance navy has made up for this with the innovative design and deployment of carriers, which are as large as dreadnoughts but are not restrained by the Treaty of Farixen. The fleet is headquartered at Arcturus Station,a strategically invaluable installation whose system contains several primary mass relays leading to human territory in addition to the secondary mass relay to Earth, and as such it is heavily defended by sizable naval forces.

You can argue it says over 200 but why would it say over 200 instead of over 1000?

there is no codex entry that confirms that number. those numbers are from the frirst mass effect book, set nearly 30 years before ME1

Yeah it is possibal to build up a huge force in a small amount of time, Like Germany in 1933 when hitler came to power in just 7 years germany went from only having 100,000 men with no tanks, Warplanes, subs and only 7 battleships to having one of the most advanced and biggest armies in the world, Just think how many new ships the Alliance navy could make in 30 years! And the alliance was rebuilding its fleet after the first attack so they would of done it at a fast pase as a sense of security.

How many ships did Germany made?
Oh yeah, not much.


Also Germany was preparing for war against entire Europe. Alliance wasn't preparing against Reapers at all.

[SSV Enterprise]

Mesina2 wrote...

Doesn't Alliance has only 200 ships?

Codex...
The Alliance maintains an impressive navy consisting of over 200 vessels ranging from small hundred meter frigates to imposing kilometer long dreadnoughts and carriers. It is one of the greater forces in Citadel space and a serious rival to that of the turians, however, the Alliance is only entitled to a small number of dreadnoughts compared to the turians, a 1 to 5 ratio as of 2183, due to the Treaty of Farixen limiting their construction among the citadel races. The Alliance navy has made up for this with the innovative design and deployment of carriers, which are as large as dreadnoughts but are not restrained by the Treaty of Farixen. The fleet is headquartered at Arcturus Station,a strategically invaluable installation whose system contains several primary mass relays leading to human territory in addition to the secondary mass relay to Earth, and as such it is heavily defended by sizable naval forces.

You can argue it says over 200 but why would it say over 200 instead of over 1000?

That's not a codex entry, you must have gotten it from the Mass Effect wiki.  The source for the 200 ships number is from the novel "Mass Effect: Revelation", right before the First Contact War, which was over 30 years ago (and even then, that's just the fleet that was based at Arcturus Station).  The Alliance has had plenty of time to build up its forces since then.

[CroGamer002]

^30 years with big colonization expansion is not enough to build that much.


Also Turians don't have 1000s of ships and they have most in Council Space.

[tobynator89]

You've really haven't Grasped the scale of the me universe have you? The turian provide the majority of the peacekeeping fleet, Thats litterally thousands of colonies of 6 different Races, the majority of which is more populous than humans having had thousands of years to Colonize. The newest asari colonies have populations reaching 100 million. To protect that you need a massive force. The protheans was one race and it took decades if not centuries to exterminate Them completely.

And of course the alliance navy have expanded massively the past two years, being a council race DEMANDS having a huge fleet. It is litterally one of the requirements for joining.

[CroGamer002]

I just noticed something.

When German reporter said European Union many countries flashed but not all.


European countries that didn't flash: Iceland, Moldavia, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus
Non-European countries flashed: Turkey( note that Turkey is trying to get into EU since 1963)

[Aimi]

Mesina2 wrote...

I just noticed something.

When German reporter said European Union many countries flashed but not all.


European countries that didn't flash: Iceland, Moldavia, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus
Non-European countries flashed: Turkey( note that Turkey is trying to get into EU since 1963)

Yeesh.  As if the borders thing wasn't bad enough, now people will start harping about BioWare's alleged pro-Turkish organizational bias.  Can't we just decide that the map's not necessarily canonical and is just there as a visual aid, and go from there?

[Demigod]

Mesina2 wrote...

Doesn't Alliance has only 200 ships?

Codex...
The Alliance maintains an impressive navy consisting of over 200 vessels ranging from small hundred meter frigates to imposing kilometer long dreadnoughts and carriers. It is one of the greater forces in Citadel space and a serious rival to that of the turians, however, the Alliance is only entitled to a small number of dreadnoughts compared to the turians, a 1 to 5 ratio as of 2183, due to the Treaty of Farixen limiting their construction among the citadel races. The Alliance navy has made up for this with the innovative design and deployment of carriers, which are as large as dreadnoughts but are not restrained by the Treaty of Farixen. The fleet is headquartered at Arcturus Station,a strategically invaluable installation whose system contains several primary mass relays leading to human territory in addition to the secondary mass relay to Earth, and as such it is heavily defended by sizable naval forces.

You can argue it says over 200 but why would it say over 200 instead of over 1000?

Could the news report be counting fighters? Add in new ships built since that codex was written, which I asume was expidited in the 2/3 years since me1 admiral hacket certainly gave that impression even if the alliance brass did backslide on the reaper threat (me2). Add in conscripted/comendeered merchant or privateer vessels and you could get a fair sized fleet together fast even if the merchant vessels would be bid targets and little more.

[jamesp81]

Mesina2 wrote...

Doesn't Alliance has only 200 ships?

Codex...
The Alliance maintains an impressive navy consisting of over 200 vessels ranging from small hundred meter frigates to imposing kilometer long dreadnoughts and carriers. It is one of the greater forces in Citadel space and a serious rival to that of the turians, however, the Alliance is only entitled to a small number of dreadnoughts compared to the turians, a 1 to 5 ratio as of 2183, due to the Treaty of Farixen limiting their construction among the citadel races. The Alliance navy has made up for this with the innovative design and deployment of carriers, which are as large as dreadnoughts but are not restrained by the Treaty of Farixen. The fleet is headquartered at Arcturus Station,a strategically invaluable installation whose system contains several primary mass relays leading to human territory in addition to the secondary mass relay to Earth, and as such it is heavily defended by sizable naval forces.

You can argue it says over 200 but why would it say over 200 instead of over 1000?

Either.....

1) Mistake on the part of those making the trailer or
2) Retcon

[jamesp81]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

The_Illusive wrote...

Earth is screwed. Why don't just blow it all up and kill thousands of Reapers? Oh wait, we can't. Damn...

They're not getting away that easily. I want to personally shove a nuke up their mechanical ****es 

I approve.

Though I have fears that it might be an "Earth is destroyed by script" kind of scenario, I have campaigned tirelessly against this sort of storytelling.

In any case, I expect to be able to personally send harbinger screaming to the other side of the spiritual divide.

[kaiki01]

These are just delusions of a hysterical Earth population. The Reaper claim has already been dismissed.

[jamesp81]

OmegaXI wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

"Reports Gigantic explosion in/near Adelaide, Australia; "

Why would anyone attack Adelaide?

About the fleet numbers, we can assume the Alliance increased its military presence after ME/ME2.

Also as far as I know the Systems Alliance has jurisdiction outside the solar system. The way it was presented in the first Mass Effect, individual nations and organisations on the Earth still maintained their (albeit smaller) military forces. They just surrendered sovereignty to the SA to represent humanity at the galactic level.

As for Adelaide..i dunno maybe they have a grudge againist the University there or something jk

but I wonder if the ship numbers count fighters ground based and carrier based or maybe the Alliance really did kick their ship production into high gear. Or maybe they orbiting defense ships I dunno

It's hard for me to fathom that the Alliance could've constructed a thousand warships of any class between ME1 and ME3....unless it was some kind of secret project utilizing not yet revealed alien or Prothean tech that alliance scientists discovered and kept to themselves.  Hell, I don't know.  Maybe the reporter was just wrong in his estimate of the numbers.

[jamesp81]

TobiTobsen wrote...

The Reapers invade Earth and the first thing they do is destroying Hamburg? Ah... c'mon we have enough problems already with all the countries in the euro zone going bankrupt and strange stuff in our salad and now Hamburg is the first city that's destroyed? Give us a break.

Come on man, America always gets invaded first in all these movies.  We need a damned break.

Let the Canadians handle this one.  They never seem to get invaded, it's their turn to be alien chow

[dewayne31]

maybe it a sort of a last stand thing for the major races

[jamesp81]

TexasToast712 wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...
Fort Worth U.N.A.S. under attack

They are attacking Texas?!

*Loads Shotgun*

This will prove to have been a mistake on their part.

[dewayne31]

jamesp81 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...
Fort Worth U.N.A.S. under attack

They are attacking Texas?!

*Loads Shotgun*

This will prove to have been a mistake on their part.

i got a couple spare rocket launchers, and a few assault rifles

[jamesp81]

R3MUS wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

The_Illusive wrote...

Earth is screwed. Why don't just blow it all up and kill thousands of Reapers? Oh wait, we can't. Damn...

Earth is not only one attacked.

It is confirmed that Palaven and Tuchanka are attacked too and entire "South" part of Milky Way.

Then it is as i have always said. The Reapers ATTACK EVERYWHERE, they dont BEGIN with EARTH.

I think what it amounts to is that Earth and the Turians are square in their path, so those two get hit first.  But the Asari and the Salarians will get their turns soon enough....unless Shepard kills all the Reapers :devil:

[tobynator89]

The issue is not one of capacity, fleets Are constructed in orbit in massive shipyards. They can churn out Stuff like crazy, neither is it one of resources. Funding and political Will is the only requirements that might be an issue for the alliance. And since in the 30 or so years since we last had an estimate of the alliance fleet size we've discovered a billion new things that want to kill us and humanity has experienced an unprecedented economic boom, i suspect that neither is an issue

[Crackseed]

That live action report is probably my fave ME3 vid at the moment. It really just sets an awesome tone - and when they showed that small screenshot of the galaxy map in ME3 I cheered. I love the missions posted in there. It's going to be an awesome ride people \\o/

[Dragonageloverrr]

INDIANAPOLIS IS SAFE GOOOOOOOOOO HOOSIERS

[Massadonious1]

Maybe Peyton can hurl some explosive footballs at them.