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[sagdloq]

I'm referring to this demo here: http://e3.gamespot.c...eatures;title;2

It says that "ur mission was to help extract a fertile Krogan female from a facility on the Salarian homeworld". I know Wrex in Mass Effect 2 said something about fertile females, but I thought this was just an example of krogan ignorance (maybe like the krogans who purchase replacement testicles). Mordin said that the genophage does not impair fertility but rather causes very few pregnancies to produce a live birth. Is Bioware retconning the genophage again?

[Whatever42]

ME2 has the same contradiction. It makes reference to fertile females as well but they also make it clear that pregnancies coming to term is a matter of random chance.

Maybe there are two issues?

[Phaedon]

It looks like Eve's genes have managed to bypass the genophage.

[Mims]

It could be that 'fertile female' is just an easier way to describe it. All females are technically fertile, this one actually IS fertile? I don't know how you'd describe her otherwise in a quick string of dialogue.

[Whatever42]

Well, Eve was on the Salarian homeworld. She must be there for a reason; perhaps her genes have evolved to ignore the genophage. However, Wrex does make reference in ME2 to fertile females. And the one female krogan body you find was undergoing treatments to make her fertile. I'm still unclear on what's happening, I admit.

[tobynator89]

that has been contradicted since me1 shiaguur a fertile female warlord that was killed by turians and triggered a mass of revenge killings was mentioned on one of the planets in ME1. I guess females immune to the genophage pops up from time to time, krogans being krogans and all that.

[SennenScale]

Perhaps the princess is more resistant to the genophage than other Krogan. It might be that she, for whatever reason, has a greater number of successful pregnancies than most Krogan females.

[onelifecrisis]

sagdloq wrote...

Mordin said that the genophage does not impair fertility

That's the exact opposite of what Mordin said.

Mordin looking at corpse:
"Sterile female willing to risk procedures..."
"Genophage affects fertility. Doesn't kill. Her death not my work, only reaction to it."

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 10 juin 2011 - 01:49 .

[Bogsnot1]

Mordin helped develop a new form of the genophage because some Krogan had started to evolve past the restrictions. The "fertile female" could simply be one who was not infected with the new version.
Ensuring the entire Krogan population had been exposed to the modified genophage would take far longer than the lifespan of a single salarian.

[scmadsen]

Krogen live long enough, that she might not of ever been infected. Thus the reason she's in that transport thing. Mordin even says something about risking infection, doesn't he? Perhaps the Salarians were smart enough to keep some Krogan around in quarantine all these years.

[Phaedon]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Well, Eve was on the Salarian homeworld. She must be there for a reason; perhaps her genes have evolved to ignore the genophage. However, Wrex does make reference in ME2 to fertile females. And the one female krogan body you find was undergoing treatments to make her fertile. I'm still unclear on what's happening, I admit.

Not just Sur'Kesh, but a "Area 51"-like facility, as Jesse Houston says.

[Whatever42]

Mordin: Affects every cell of Krogan body. Commonly and incorrectly considered a sterility plague.
Mordin: Actually adjusts viable fertility rate to compensate for Krogan birthrate. Stabilizes to pre-industrial population growth levels...

The genophage reduces the changes of a pregnancy being viable. Hence, the talk about all the dead Krogan babies. It's pretty clear that most pregnancies end up stillborn.

Yet, Mordin in the bloodpack base also refers to a sterile female. And Wrex refers to keep the fertile females safe.

[Icinix]

Hmm....I thought it was a fertility based. The only reference to still born's I can remember was a metaphorical one.

What was it...1 in 1000 female krogan are fertile or something of that ilk? Or am I muddling up my lore?

[Itkovian]

They basically mean that very few females are capable of giving birth to live children, while others only result in still births.

And that's not to say that these "fertile" females never have stillbirths. It could be that they have a bunch of those too, just not as much as the majority of females (1 live birth in 50 instead of 1 in 1000).

By contrast, the female on Sur'kesh might be completely free of the genophage, and so be the most important Krogan ever (aside from Wrex, natually *grin*).

Itkovian

[onelifecrisis]

Also, in the Urdnot camp there are several conversational references to "fertile females" including one from Wrex: "Nothing is more valuable than a fertile female"

[sagdloq]

Icinix wrote...

Hmm....I thought it was a fertility based. The only reference to still born's I can remember was a metaphorical one.

What was it...1 in 1000 female krogan are fertile or something of that ilk? Or am I muddling up my lore?

All krogan are equally affected, or at least that was the original story. The genophage is not supposed to reduce fertility but rather makes most pregnancies unviable.

[Icinix]

Well now I'm really confused -

But by the looks of it. The game is too.

BioWare: I demand satisfaction! *slaps monitor*

[Whatever42]

Maybe a "fertile" female is simply a female who has successfully given birth? The Krogan do seem to leap to those kinds of conclusions.

Except that Mordin distinctly refers to the dead female Krogan as sterile and he is usually pretty precise in his statements. And his defense seems to indicate that this sterility is the result of the genophage. So I remain confused.

There appears to me more than just the genophage making pregnancies nonviable. Since the genophage apparently does mess with the development of children, perhaps it can also create insterility as well.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 10 juin 2011 - 02:09 .

[sagdloq]

onelifecrisis wrote...

sagdloq wrote...

Mordin said that the genophage does not impair fertility

That's the exact opposite of what Mordin said.

Mordin looking at corpse:
"Sterile female willing to risk procedures..."
"Genophage affects fertility. Doesn't kill. Her death not my work, only reaction to it."

Fertility is the ability to conceive a child; as far as we know, the average krogan are still able to do that. The genophage simply causes most pregnancies to terminate before reaching term. What would set this female apart would be her rate of viable pregnancies, but how is that possible if all krogan are afflicted with the genophage? It could be another deliberate mistake in the codex (like claiming that the reapers are not real or that the genophage will ultimately lead to krogan extinction), but I still sense a retcon here.

[ME_Fan]

No. All Krogan females are fertile, but the genophage makes live births unlikely. This female is unaffected by genophage.