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[Thalador]

Jesse Houston said in this interview (Q and respective answer starting at ~0:22:58) that the Reapers had arrived in the batarian sectors of the Milky Way and then moved northwards (if you look at the galaxy in a compass perspective). We've know this from Arrival, and it also explains why the Reapers have those batarian husks (cannibals) deployed as soon as the invasion begins.

Maybe it was said somewhere and I missed it, or it wasn't said yet but will be explained, but it's very weird that there were no transmissions from the Hegemony calling for help against "goddamn robotic dreadnaughts" - or at least we don't know about them. My point is: Earth's invasion seems to take the Alliance and the rest of the galaxy by surprise, as if they weren't expecting it that soon. Unless the Systems Alliance, the Salarian Union, the Asari Republics and the Turian Hieararchy was very well aware of it, but the civilians of these governments weren't told, so the panic could be averted.

Modifié par Thalador, 10 juin 2011 - 03:42 .

[TexasToast712]

Batarians suck so I could care less.

[Zall]

Batarians always were suspicious towards humans and the Arrival incident already convinced them, that the humans are greedy pricks who whish to erase their race.

There's never been a better time to indoctrinate the **** out of the batarian leaders whoever they are. It looks grim for us if the Reapers have succeeded in raising them as an army against the entire galaxy.

[JadeEffect]

I do not like the Batarians, they do not seem trustworthy. However, I do not agree with what Shepard had to do in Arrival to prevent, "ah, yes reapers."

With that said, it's safe to assume the Reapers conquered Batarian space.

[Bad King]

Why do the reapers have to slowly move through the galaxy, system by system? Can't they simply fire their way across the galaxy once they got to the nearest relay, or have most systems been destroying their relays? (like what happened in arrival).

[JadeEffect]

From evidence in ME1, they are methodical, leaving no trace, basically purging the galaxy. We don't know how many Reapers there are. Few hundrew? Few thousand? Who knows. So maybe instead of splitting their resources across the galaxy, it makes more sense for them to do a clean sweep as a group, leaving nothing behind.

It's like a group of people watching an egg lets say. You have 10 eyes looking at one object, you can pick up more things, but if you only have 2 eyes looking at one object, and the other 8 are focused on other things you will miss other things.

[Whatever42]

Looking at the number of eyes on some of the beasties in the demos, I think the Batarians might have already been jumped, yup.

I'm not sure if all the Batarians are gone, though. The Reapers certainly do purge all advanced life but they take centuries to do so. There's no evidence that they would go one race at a time.

[Mako Zalos]

Maybe this'll help us either finally cripple them or get them to join our side.

[Bad King]

JadeEffect wrote...

From evidence in ME1, they are methodical, leaving no trace, basically purging the galaxy. We don't know how many Reapers there are. Few hundrew? Few thousand? Who knows. So maybe instead of splitting their resources across the galaxy, it makes more sense for them to do a clean sweep as a group, leaving nothing behind.

It's like a group of people watching an egg lets say. You have 10 eyes looking at one object, you can pick up more things, but if you only have 2 eyes looking at one object, and the other 8 are focused on other things you will miss other things.

Still, since their planned attack on the citadel, the 'one system at a time' tactic doesn't work that great because it gives the council the opportunity to rally the other races (who haven't been attacked yet) and raise fleets while they're waiting for the reapers to arrive. Spreading the attack out would cause confusion amongst every race and reduce the chance of there being a united fleet.

[Antivenger]

JadeEffect wrote...

From evidence in ME1, they are methodical, leaving no trace, basically purging the galaxy. We don't know how many Reapers there are. Few hundrew? Few thousand? Who knows. So maybe instead of splitting their resources across the galaxy, it makes more sense for them to do a clean sweep as a group, leaving nothing behind.

It's like a group of people watching an egg lets say. You have 10 eyes looking at one object, you can pick up more things, but if you only have 2 eyes looking at one object, and the other 8 are focused on other things you will miss other things.

Perhaps that is the reason it took them 6 months to invade Earth. Purging the Batarians?

[GreenDragon37]

Well, in Arrival the Reapers arrived in Batarian space first. However, Batarians suck anyway, so the Reapers did me a favor.

Also, the Batarian Hegemony are isolationists, and strongly anti-Human and anti-Council. They wouldn't tell us anything, and no-one would probably believe them nor want to help them after the stuff that they pulled.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 04:15 .

[EsterCloat]

I rationalize it by thinking about it in Resistance (the game) terms. According to the backstory in that series, the Russians(in this case, batarians) were overrun by the chimera(i.e. Reapers) and the erected and "iron curtain" of secrecy for unknown reason with no info coming in or out until it was eventually overrun and the chimera came rushing out and started attacking everyone in the open. The batarians isolated themselves ever since the humans began throwing their weight around and according to the fiction have been extremely secretive, cutting all communications with the outside world save for sending out dictionary updates every once and a while. It wouldn't surprise me if the batarians kept the Reaper attacks secret until they were overrun and the Reapers made it out to the rest of the galaxy. So the batarians basically screwed over the rest of the galaxy out of precious preparing time because they're too proud to admit they need help.

Even so, there's some hints that the Alliance was somewhat aware of the Reaper's impending arrival from the live action trailer. In the trailer it states a fleet of Alliance ships massing over Europe, as if they were awaiting an attack of some sort. And then ME3 happens...

Modifié par EsterCloat, 10 juin 2011 - 04:12 .

[sponge56]

Bad King wrote...

JadeEffect wrote...

From evidence in ME1, they are methodical, leaving no trace, basically purging the galaxy. We don't know how many Reapers there are. Few hundrew? Few thousand? Who knows. So maybe instead of splitting their resources across the galaxy, it makes more sense for them to do a clean sweep as a group, leaving nothing behind.

It's like a group of people watching an egg lets say. You have 10 eyes looking at one object, you can pick up more things, but if you only have 2 eyes looking at one object, and the other 8 are focused on other things you will miss other things.

Still, since their planned attack on the citadel, the 'one system at a time' tactic doesn't work that great because it gives the council the opportunity to rally the other races (who haven't been attacked yet) and raise fleets while they're waiting for the reapers to arrive. Spreading the attack out would cause confusion amongst every race and reduce the chance of there being a united fleet.

With control over the citadel though couldnt the reapers turn off certain mass relays they werent using?  This means that noone would be able to regroup, forces are spread thin with little communication, and the reapers can just pick each system off peicemeal

Edit: sorry, asnwered the wrong thing here.  Well we already know that there are some reapers flying about different areas of the galaxy (eg, Tuchanka).  Maybe scouts keep the other races pinned down while the main fleet advances?

Modifié par sponge56, 10 juin 2011 - 04:14 .

[dewayne31]

my shepards would be like..hey reapers you missed some batarian trash...but i'll mop up for ya:P

[HTTP 404]

I want a batarian squadmate. that is all.

[Thalador]

EsterCloat wrote...

I rationalize it by thinking about it in Resistance (the game) terms. According to the backstory in that series, the Russians(in this case, batarians) were overrun by the chimera(i.e. Reapers) and the erected and "iron curtain" of secrecy for unknown reason with no info coming in or out until it was eventually overrun and the chimera came rushing out and started attacking everyone in the open. The batarians isolated themselves ever since the humans began throwing their weight around and according to the fiction have been extremely secretive, cutting all communications with the outside world save for sending out dictionary updates every once and a while. It wouldn't surprise me if the batarians kept the Reaper attacks secret until they were overrun and the Reapers made it out to the rest of the galaxy. So the batarians basically screwed over the rest of the galaxy out of precious preparing time because they're too proud to admit they need help.

Even so, there's some hints that the Alliance was somewhat aware of the Reaper's impending arrival from the live action trailer. In the trailer it states a fleet of Alliance ships massing over Europe, as if they were awaiting an attack of some sort. And then ME3 happens...

Seems to be a very plausible explanation. And lol @ myself, I thought that "fleet massing over Europe" was the Reaper fleet and not the Alliance. Thanks for pointing that out. 

[GreenDragon37]

JadeEffect wrote...

I do not like the Batarians, they do not seem trustworthy. However, I do not agree with what Shepard had to do in Arrival to prevent, "ah, yes reapers."

With that said, it's safe to assume the Reapers conquered Batarian space.

How was Arrival a bad decision on Shep's part? If Shep didn't do what he had to do, the Reapers would have used the Alpha Relay to move through the network unchallenged. Besides, those Batarians were already dead. Necessary sacrifices.

Would you have rather him fled? We know what happens when the Reapers reach the Alpha Realy: Game Over.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 04:22 .

[JadeEffect]

Too many people addressed my previous statement to name (I'm just too lazy to list you all).

It's been said Repears leave one (or more). Possibly to help open the relay to dark space for other Reapers to invade. So to have some to leave the main fleet as scouts, to weaken defenses, etc makes sense.

Taking six months to purge the system of Batarians? We don't know if the Batarians just strolled on through their neighborhood to start with Earth, or if it was convient for the Reapers to start with the Batarians since that's the system they came through.

I'm sure other systems are massing their fleets, and I'm sure others do not want to get involved or even can get involved. Example: Telling the Quarians to go to war or not, make affect the ability for them to help you. Batarians: Having hatred towards humanity, doubtful if they would help, considering they are dealing with their own problems.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Thalador wrote...

Maybe it was said somewhere and I missed it, or it wasn't said yet but will be explained, but it's very weird that there were no transmissions from the Hegemony calling for help against "goddamn robotic dreadnaughts" - or at least we don't know about them. My point is: Earth's invasion seems to take the Alliance and the rest of the galaxy by surprise, as if they weren't expecting it that soon. Unless the Systems Alliance, the Salarian Union, the Asari Republics and the Turian Hieararchy was very well aware of it, but the civilians of these governments weren't told, so the panic could be averted.

I would bet that the Batarians grudgingly asked for help from the other races, but only did so after it was too late and only through official government contacts.  The Council races then decided that each would withdraw and defend what was theirs.  Which means they'll all die alone...

... if it wasn't for Commander Shepard.  B)B)

[Lvl20DM]

We know that we are going to get two weeks of CDN updates before ME3 hits - my guess is we will see hints of the Hegemony being attacked and stories of the Alliance fleet massing around Earth - also probably stories about Commander Shepherd going on trial, maybe. The Hegemony is probably getting attacked in a manner similar to Earth - though it seems likely that the Reapers will focus strongly on Earth in order to begin the creation of new Reapers.

The Cannibal husks we see in the demo also have human parts grafted onto them, This might be from consuming humans as they land on Earth, or it could be an indicator that the Reapers attack another human colony or space station prior to invasion.

[Bad King]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Well, in Arrival the Reapers arrived in Batarian space first. However, Batarians suck anyway, so the Reapers did me a favor.

Also, the Batarian Hegemony are isolationists, and strongly anti-Human and anti-Council. They wouldn't tell us anything, and no-one would probably believe them nor want to help them after the stuff that they pulled.

Bear in mind that most of the Batarian crimes are commited by the hegemony and upper castes (who promote slaving). Most of the lower castes are oppressed by surveillance and propaganda and live miserable lives under a paranoid government, and aren't to blame.

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if the upper castes packed up and left leaving their subjects to be 'reaped'.

[Thompson family]

Re: OP

Saw that same video and that struck me as extremely odd, also. However, it apparently takes the fast and stealthy Normandy to get Shep away from Earth to rally the Council. So apparently we can assume the Batarians would have a hard time getting the message out.

A more plausible explanation is that there's a reason for "thousands" of ships to be above the Earth when the Reapers arrive (see the "newscast" trailer.) The Batarians got wiped but it was only a massive strike instead of a methodical conquest. The Reaper crippled the Batarians and then moved quickly on to attack Earth.

An analogy would be strikes by U.S Navy fast carrier task forces in World War II, where they'd strike airbases and other facilities in the region to cripple the forces based there before invasion forces landed on the main objective.

[Janus198]

What?
In that case a batarian squadie is more need than anything else.
I want a real badass who fight for bloody revenge against the reapers
and with his former enemys the humans.

A batarian squadmate is from now a must have.

[CARL_DF90]

Meh. No big loss. I always hated Batarians anyways.