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[GreenDragon37]

Bad King wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Well, in Arrival the Reapers arrived in Batarian space first. However, Batarians suck anyway, so the Reapers did me a favor.

Also, the Batarian Hegemony are isolationists, and strongly anti-Human and anti-Council. They wouldn't tell us anything, and no-one would probably believe them nor want to help them after the stuff that they pulled.

Bear in mind that most of the Batarian crimes are commited by the hegemony and upper castes (who promote slaving). Most of the lower castes are oppressed by surveillance and propaganda and live miserable lives under a paranoid government, and aren't to blame.

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if the upper castes packed up and left leaving their subjects to be 'reaped'.

Reguardless, the Batarians have only themselves to blame. We all know there are Batarians that leave the Hegemony, yet they still retain their racist views, and slavery is still viewed as a good thing. So long as that continues, Batarians will be seen as an enemy, especially since they keep raiding and blowing up our colonies!

[Skilled Seeker]

Batarians are not inherently bad. They have a bad culture but they aren't a bad species incapable of cooexisting like say the darkspawn. The batarians we meet are overwhelmingly criminals so they are not respresentative of batarians at all. We have at least two stories of good batarians, the one on Garrus' team and the one in that Cerberus daily news article that promoted racial harmony. That's enough to prove that you can't brush all batarians together. And it is hypocritical to call them racist when your views towards them are clearly racist. Respect is a two way road.

[Thompson family]

Janus198 wrote...

A batarian squadmate is from now a must have.

Anybody fighting the Reapers can fight with my Shep any day, whether we get a squadmate or not.

"If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons," — Winston Churchill."

[JadeEffect]

Even though it's a game, I did not feel right sending hundreds of thousands to their deaths to keep the Reapers from invading for a few months or years. In this case, only six months, so what Shep did was a waste.

Batarians aren't a bad people. Atleast not to me, they are questionable, and not my favorite race in the ME Universe, but I don't dislike them.

But the Vorcha on the other hand, they are **** roaches of the galaxy.

[Skilled Seeker]

Those batarians were dead either way. Had the Reapers been allowed to come through, they would have destroyed their colony and huskified them. What Shepard did is what any sane individual would have done.

[GreenDragon37]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Batarians are not inherently bad. They have a bad culture but they aren't a bad species incapable of cooexisting like say the darkspawn. The batarians we meet are overwhelmingly criminals so they are not respresentative of batarians at all. We have at least two stories of good batarians, the one on Garrus' team and the one in that Cerberus daily news article that promoted racial harmony. That's enough to prove that you can't brush all batarians together. And it is hypocritical to call them racist when your views towards them are clearly racist. Respect is a two way road.

I'll respect them when they stop burning down colonies and taking Humans as slaves and commiting other terrorist Acts like Balak and Jath A'mon. Until I've sen a substantial effort on their part to try and make for peace, they deserve no respect, and should be treated as hostile until proven otherwise. Respect is earned, not just given willy-nilly.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 05:01 .

[GreenDragon37]

JadeEffect wrote...

Even though it's a game, I did not feel right sending hundreds of thousands to their deaths to keep the Reapers from invading for a few months or years. In this case, only six months, so what Shep did was a waste.

Batarians aren't a bad people. Atleast not to me, they are questionable, and not my favorite race in the ME Universe, but I don't dislike them.

But the Vorcha on the other hand, they are **** roaches of the galaxy.

So, let the Reapers use a Mass Relay to travel throught the galaxy and hit everyone faster, maybe even the CItadel,  to save a few lives that were already lost?

I don't get it.

[Skilled Seeker]

GreenDragon37 wrote...
I'll respect them when they stop burning down colonies and taking Humans as slaves and commiting other terrorist Acts like Balak and Jath A'mon. Until I've sen a substantial effort on their part to try and make for peace, they deserve no respect, and should be treated as hostile until proven otherwise. Respect is earned, not just given willy-nilly.

So all batarians contributed to these things? Even unborn babies? To treat someone as a hostile before you know them based on their race is completely bigoted and racist, and it is you that deserves no respect from batarians.

[Joshua nash]

after reading a good portion of this thread i happen to agree that the reapers have taken control of the batarians, though it is sad that if and when shepard and the rest of the galaxy win, the batarians as a speices may be on the verge of or may have gone extinct

[Bad King]

Thompson family wrote...

Janus198 wrote...

A batarian squadmate is from now a must have.

Anybody fighting the Reapers can fight with my Shep any day, whether we get a squadmate or not.

"If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons," — Winston Churchill."

Haha the Churchill quote pretty much sums up my canon playthrough of ME1 and ME2.

But yeah I would like a Batarian squadmate. In the end we know very little about batarians and a squadmate would be a good opportunity to learn a little about them.

If BioWare give us a batarian + a raloi squadmate I'll be thrilled.

[Bad King]

Joshua nash wrote...

after reading a good portion of this thread i happen to agree that the reapers have taken control of the batarians, though it is sad that if and when shepard and the rest of the galaxy win, the batarians as a speices may be on the verge of or may have gone extinct

Hopefully not all of them will be destroyed and we'll have the opportunity to save some remnant of their race.

[dewayne31]

batarians in my opinion deserved no help they are terrorist and slavers. if the common batarian didm't like the way their government they should of done something.

[Skilled Seeker]

I doubt they'd be extinct. The batarians are spread across the galaxy, like pretty much any space faring species, and it takes the Reapers centuries to complete a Reaping. There will be batarians left though their total population will undoubtedly have taken a big hit and more than half of them may end up getting wiped out depending on the concentrations of their population across the galaxy and the areas that the Reapers go to town on the most.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 10 juin 2011 - 05:08 .

[GreenDragon37]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...
I'll respect them when they stop burning down colonies and taking Humans as slaves and commiting other terrorist Acts like Balak and Jath A'mon. Until I've sen a substantial effort on their part to try and make for peace, they deserve no respect, and should be treated as hostile until proven otherwise. Respect is earned, not just given willy-nilly.

So all batarians contributed to these things? Even unborn babies? To treat someone as a hostile before you know them based on their race is completely bigoted and racist, and it is you that deserves no respect from batarians.

How so? By "hostile" I don't mean shoot on sight, I mean don't trust them and expect a knife in the back. I don't care if the Batarians respect me. After what they did to Mindoir, their assault on Elysium, what they planned to do to Terra Nova, Jath A'mon's plans to release a virus on the Citadel (that almost suceeded), and that one colony they nuked in ME2, they do not deserve respect. And Shep, especially a Colonist and/or War Hero or even any Shep that has been through ME1 and ME2, has reasonable suspicions to not trust them or like them by any means.

Heck, I bet you would have let Balak destroy Terra Nova, because he was a "tortured soul".

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 05:10 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Poor poor strawman there. You are racist and there's no way you can hide it given these views. If you want to strive for peace with the batarians, then both sides have to make an effort to change their perceptions, not just the batarians. I'm sure the batarians believe humans have committed crimes against them too. If you were a batarian, you'd hate all humans and tar them with the same brush?

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 10 juin 2011 - 05:11 .

[JadeEffect]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

JadeEffect wrote...

Even though it's a game, I did not feel right sending hundreds of thousands to their deaths to keep the Reapers from invading for a few months or years. In this case, only six months, so what Shep did was a waste.

Batarians aren't a bad people. Atleast not to me, they are questionable, and not my favorite race in the ME Universe, but I don't dislike them.

But the Vorcha on the other hand, they are **** roaches of the galaxy.

So, let the Reapers use a Mass Relay to travel throught the galaxy and hit everyone faster, maybe even the CItadel,  to save a few lives that were already lost?

I don't get it.

Didn't say I wouldn't do it, I just didn't feel right about sending them to their deaths.  It is a waste of time though because it halted the Reapers to invade by six months.  I think it was estimated it could hold them back for a few days, weeks, to even years.  But just 6 months, and the Alliance has nothing to show for it.

[Bad King]

dewayne31 wrote...

batarians in my opinion deserved no help they are terrorist and slavers. if the common batarian didm't like the way their government they should of done something.

It's never that simple. If the hegemony have control over the batarian armies and mercenaries, they would be extremely difficult to overthrow. Info from the codex and planet descriptions implies that batarians are under constant surveillance by the hegemony (which implies that many are unwilling subjects) and are fed propaganda constantly. Any strong opposition to the hegemony is highly unlikely to form in this oppressive envirnoment.

I don't want this to turn into a real world political debate () but the N azis are a good example- they were nigh-imposible to overthrow (by average german workers) due to their dictatorship being so strong, and that was in the 1930s and 40s! A sci fi dictarorship with devastating weaponry and technology would have even less successful opposition to them.

Modifié par Bad King, 10 juin 2011 - 05:17 .

[GreenDragon37]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Poor poor strawman there. You are racist and there's no way you can hide it given these views.

They don't deserve respect, because they haven't earned it. The Turians view the First Contact War as a mistake, and Garrus is a friend with a multitude of races. Our first meeting was bad, but they earned their respect because they know what they did was wrong, and they aren't constantly attacking us and spouting anti-Human propganda 24/7.

It's not racism, it's not being trustful of a race that we have had bad bad experiences with and only bad experiences. And I love how you try to not refute any of my points. If the Batarians didn't like their government, they would leave and establish their own seperaterate one, or overthrow their oppressors. But they don't.

[Skilled Seeker]

Indeed, it would take outside intervention to bring down the oppressive hegemony and none of the other races care enough.

[JeffZero]

Bad King wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

batarians in my opinion deserved no help they are terrorist and slavers. if the common batarian didm't like the way their government they should of done something.

It's never that simple. If the hegemony have control over the batarian armies and mercenaries, they would be extremely difficult to overthrow. Info from the codex and planet descriptions implies that batarians are under constant surveillance by the hegemony (which implies that many are unwilling subjects) and are fed propaganda constantly. Any strong opposition to the hegemony is highly unlikely to form in this oppressive envirnoment.

You said exactly what I had planned on saying. Thanks.

[GreenDragon37]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Indeed, it would take outside intervention to bring down the oppressive hegemony and none of the other races care enough.

Becuause they aren't asking for help. They don't want it. If their was an anti-Hegemony movement within Batarian Space, then by all means , we'll help. But I don't see that. Besides, we see plenty of Batarians outside of the Hegemony. Why don't they ask for help themselves?

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 05:17 .

[Skilled Seeker]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Poor poor strawman there. You are racist and there's no way you can hide it given these views.

They don't deserve respect, because they haven't earned it. The Turians view the First Contact War as a mistake, and Garrus is a friend with a multitude of races. Our first meeting was bad, but they earned their respect because they know what they did was wrong, and they aren't constantly attacking us and spouting anti-Human propganda 24/7.

It's not racism, it's not being trustful of a race that we have had bad bad experiences with and only bad experiences. And I love how you try to not refute any of my points. If the Batarians didn't like their government, they would leave and establish their own seperaterate one, or overthrow their oppressors. But they don't.

I've edited my post so read the rest. Not all turians view the First Contact War as a mistake, there are many antihuman turians in ME media. See the post above yours as to why the batarians can't be free. Under an effective totalitarian state, it is impossible to break free unless there is outside intervention. Look at Syria, the people there want a new government but the government is too powerful and they have no chance of change without help. Libya on the other hand did get aid for some reason (oil supplies) and so the rebels there have fared better.

[GreenDragon37]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Poor poor strawman there. You are racist and there's no way you can hide it given these views.

They don't deserve respect, because they haven't earned it. The Turians view the First Contact War as a mistake, and Garrus is a friend with a multitude of races. Our first meeting was bad, but they earned their respect because they know what they did was wrong, and they aren't constantly attacking us and spouting anti-Human propganda 24/7.

It's not racism, it's not being trustful of a race that we have had bad bad experiences with and only bad experiences. And I love how you try to not refute any of my points. If the Batarians didn't like their government, they would leave and establish their own seperaterate one, or overthrow their oppressors. But they don't.

I've edited my post so read the rest. Not all turians view the First Contact War as a mistake, there are many antihuman turians in ME media. See the post above yours as to why the batarians can't be free. Under an effective totalitarian state, it is impossible to break free unless there is outside intervention. Look at Syria, the people there want a new government but the government is too powerful and they have no chance of change without help. Libya on the other hand did get aid for some reason (oil supplies) and so the rebels there have fared better.

But we clearly see that there are Batarians that have escaped the Hegemony. So their system isn't all perfect. And we see just as many non-racist Turians in the games, so we know they don't all think alike. The Batarians, pretty much everyone I've seen has tried to shoot me, except for the ones that tried to gave me a discount. But that was just one out of many that have tried to shoot me.

Also, because we see so many "normal" Batarians outside of  Batarian space, why aren't they asking for help against their government? Hmm...

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 05:23 .

[Skilled Seeker]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Indeed, it would take outside intervention to bring down the oppressive hegemony and none of the other races care enough.

Becuause they aren't asking for help. They don't want it. If their was an anti-Hegemony movement within Batarian Space, then by all means , we'll help. But I don't see that. Besides, we see plenty of Batarians outside of the Hegemony. Why don't they ask for help themselves?

How will word of an anti hegemony movement get out when the hegemony is in total control of all communication and isolationist? And even if word did get out (which I'm certain it has, we don't know everything about the ME universe), others wouldn't help if the risk to reward ratio wasn't heavily slanted on the reward side. Look at the modern world, there are many dictatorships and oppressive regimes yet you don't see the developed nations going around liberating them all, only those were the liberating faction can benefit, often at the cost of the liberated.

I've already said all the batarians we meet are criminals and mercs and given examples of normal batarians that aren't evil. You're choosing to ignore these obvious facts in order to push your racist agenda.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 10 juin 2011 - 05:28 .

[Silentblaze]

Meh. Biowares knows. Maybe we will in ME3.

On a side note: The galactic governments probably did know about the Reapers and didn't tell the civilians. This led to the biggest "Pearl Harbor" disaster in ME humanity's history.