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[jamesp81]

InvaderErl wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Does that mean the WHOLE Alliance Fleet has been obliterated?

I remember a dev saying the Alliance Navy had been destroyed during the e3 live demo/chat so its looking that way save for a few ships.

Do we know if they meant all Alliance ships, or just the fleet in Earth orbit?

Because I find it a bit suspect that they'd rally every single warship they had to Earth, given the problems with the Batarians and not knowing where the Reapers would strike first, necessarily.

[GreenDragon37]

jamesp81 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Does that mean the WHOLE Alliance Fleet has been obliterated?

I remember a dev saying the Alliance Navy had been destroyed during the e3 live demo/chat so its looking that way save for a few ships.

Do we know if they meant all Alliance ships, or just the fleet in Earth orbit?

Because I find it a bit suspect that they'd rally every single warship they had to Earth, given the problems with the Batarians and not knowing where the Reapers would strike first, necessarily.

I highly doubt that all of the Alliance Navy was destroyed at Earrth. Most likely it was Earth's fleet that got destroyed.

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jamesp81 wrote...

Do we know if they meant all Alliance ships, or just the fleet in Earth orbit?

Because I find it a bit suspect that they'd rally every single warship they had to Earth, given the problems with the Batarians and not knowing where the Reapers would strike first, necessarily.

I feel pretty confident that there is still a remaining alliance fleet left.  At the end of Me1, the alliance had a lot of patrols along the persues viel against a geth threat.  Im thinking that still stands after Me2, afterall the rest of the galaxy does not know about geth heretics. 

I also want to point out in comparison the US navy, if the United States of America was wiped out there would still be a large standing military force throughout the world.  Much of the United States Navy are out in the West Pacific and in and around the Red Sea/Middle East.  There are large US Military bases in Japan and Germany.  Im guessing the Alliance has a lot of military along colonial areas much like Eden Prime.  Couple that with the idea of a threat to Earth itself, there is little reason to garrison majority of Alliance military on Earth.

[InvaderErl]

jamesp81 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Does that mean the WHOLE Alliance Fleet has been obliterated? ../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

I remember a dev saying the Alliance Navy had been destroyed during the
e3 live demo/chat so its looking that way save for a few ships.

Do we know if they meant all Alliance ships, or just the fleet in Earth orbit?

Because I find it a bit suspect that they'd rally every single warship they hadto Earth, given the problems with the Batarians and not knowing where the Reapers would strike first, necessarily.

Obviously, that's a bit in the air right now as to whether or not its the entire fleet but if they did approach via a course that would have taken them to Earth by going past Arcturus station as Pride Demon suggested and considering the fact that we know the Alliance at least had some forewarning and was rallying forces to Earth (the ANN broadcast trailer), I don't think its out of the question that the majority of the Alliance navy got trashed defending their ostensibly two most important bases of operation.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 10 juin 2011 - 07:08 .

[jamesp81]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Does that mean the WHOLE Alliance Fleet has been obliterated?

I remember a dev saying the Alliance Navy had been destroyed during the e3 live demo/chat so its looking that way save for a few ships.

Do we know if they meant all Alliance ships, or just the fleet in Earth orbit?

Because I find it a bit suspect that they'd rally every single warship they had to Earth, given the problems with the Batarians and not knowing where the Reapers would strike first, necessarily.

I highly doubt that all of the Alliance Navy was destroyed at Earrth. Most likely it was Earth's fleet that got destroyed.

Which, to be fair, could've been a very large portion of the Alliance fleet.

Shepard's going to have his work cut out for him.  We better hope that the Geth fleet is as massive as everyone thinks it is.

[jamesp81]

InvaderErl wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Does that mean the WHOLE Alliance Fleet has been obliterated? ../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

I remember a dev saying the Alliance Navy had been destroyed during the
e3 live demo/chat so its looking that way save for a few ships.

Do we know if they meant all Alliance ships, or just the fleet in Earth orbit?

Because I find it a bit suspect that they'd rally every single warship they hadto Earth, given the problems with the Batarians and not knowing where the Reapers would strike first, necessarily.

Obviously, that's a bit in the air right now as to whether or not its the entire fleet but if they did approach via a course that would have taken them to Earth by going past Arcturus station as Pride Demon suggested and considering the fact that we know the Alliance at least had some forewarning and was rallying forces to Earth (the ANN broadcast trailer), I don't think its out of the question that the majority of the Alliance navy got trashed defending their ostensibly two most important bases of operation.

For form's sake, I would like for my freight train of whoopass I'll be assembling to liberate Earth have at least some Alliance ships in it.  Preferably with Hackett in charge of the entire circus.

[GreenDragon37]

You know what? This debate over the innocence of the Batarians has gotten me to think about something:

What if we get to go to Batarian Space some time in ME3? Not only do we get to see the "ground zero" of the Reaper Invasion, we get to see any surviving Batarians fight for their lives. We'll finally see what happens inside the border, because I doubt all of Batarian Space was swept away by the Reapers.

[Thompson family]

Obviously, that's a bit in the air right now as to whether or not its the entire fleet ...

Fair enough, but the video with producer Jesse Huston answering questions from fans, he clearly says the Alliance Navy has been practically wiped out. I'll edit this post later when I've found the link.

EDIT: Here it is

http://live-event.ea...at/mass-effect] Video Walkthrough and Q&A with Mass Effect 3[/url] Starting June 8th at 2PM PT / 5PM ET. The quote is from ME3 producer Jesse Huston.



21:30 – “At that point, the Reapers have basically wiped out the entire Alliance Navy.”

Modifié par Thompson family, 10 juin 2011 - 07:29 .

[Pride Demon]

InvaderErl wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Does that mean the WHOLE Alliance Fleet has been obliterated?

I remember a dev saying the Alliance Navy had been destroyed during the e3 live demo/chat so its looking that way save for a few ships.

But what about... Admiral Hackett... Hanna Shepard... *faints*

Seriously, this is going to be rough on my Spacers...

[GreenDragon37]

Pride Demon wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Does that mean the WHOLE Alliance Fleet has been obliterated?

I remember a dev saying the Alliance Navy had been destroyed during the e3 live demo/chat so its looking that way save for a few ships.

But what about... Admiral Hackett... Hanna Shepard... *faints*

Seriously, this is going to be rough on my Spacers...

They better not all be dead right at the beginning. It'll just be a bad cop-out. He could have confused the words "fleet" and "navy".

[Malarkey101]

I really doubt the Batarians are wiped out, like if Earth was wiped out there are still other Human colonies in different galaxies and the same could be assumed for the Batarians since the hostilities between them and humans came from us encroaching and building colonies where they wanted to establish colonies.

Thats just what I reckon!

[GreenDragon37]

Malarkey101 wrote...

I really doubt the Batarians are wiped out, like if Earth was wiped out there are still other Human colonies in different galaxies and the same could be assumed for the Batarians since the hostilities between them and humans came from us encroaching and building colonies where they wanted to establish colonies.

Thats just what I reckon!

I don't want to be "that guy", but we only have one galaxy right now. And we have only explored about 1% of it.

[Malarkey101]

I don't want to be "that guy", but we only have one galaxy right now. And we have only explored about 1% of it.

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Was Eden Prime not in a different Galaxy to Earth?

[Wulfram]

It would be pretty dumb to commit the whole alliance fleet to a hopeless battle.

[GreenDragon37]

Malarkey101 wrote...

Was Eden Prime not in a different Galaxy to Earth?

No. Eden Prime was in a different star system, not galaxy. It all takes place in the same galaxy.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 07:38 .

[Xerxes52]

Ninja'd!

Modifié par Xerxes52, 10 juin 2011 - 07:39 .

[Malarkey101]

I actually knew the answer before I got the reply!! But the premise stands just sub in star system instead of galaxy!! Sorry im not up on my Space Facts!! 

Modifié par Malarkey101, 10 juin 2011 - 07:41 .

[Thompson family]

They better not all be dead right at the beginning. It'll just be a bad cop-out. He could have confused the words "fleet" and "navy".

He didn't sound confused to me. The developers apparently have made the situation look as dire as possible.

Anway, posting the link again:

http://live-event.ea...at/mass-effect]
Video Walkthrough and Q&A with Mass Effect 3[/url] Starting June
8th at 2PM PT / 5PM ET. The quote is from ME3 producer Jesse Huston.

21:30 – “At that point, the Reapers have basically wiped out the entire Alliance Navy.”

[GreenDragon37]

Thompson family wrote...

They better not all be dead right at the beginning. It'll just be a bad cop-out. He could have confused the words "fleet" and "navy".

He didn't sound confused to me. The developers apparently have made the situation look as dire as possible.

Anway, posting the link again:

http://live-event.ea...at/mass-effect]
Video Walkthrough and Q&A with Mass Effect 3[/url] Starting June
8th at 2PM PT / 5PM ET. The quote is from ME3 producer Jesse Huston.

21:30 – “At that point, the Reapers have basically wiped out the entire Alliance Navy.”

Then the Alliance was just stupid. Why sacrifice everything for a battle that was already lost? Now the colonies have no defense.

[Pride Demon]

Malarkey101 wrote...

Was Eden Prime not in a different Galaxy to Earth?

No... All the facts of the various Mass Effects happen within a single galaxy, the Milky Way... The various places we visit are merely different Star Clusters (groups of stars which are relatively close to each other) within it, linked together by Mass Relays...

Like it was said only 1% of the galaxy is actually explored...

The Reapers however actually exit our galaxy between reapings: the so called "Dark Space" is the void (as in "basically totally devoid of stars") between different galaxies...

So really everything happens in one galaxy, the only relay that exits it is the Citadel Relay...

That's the reason some people wonder whether the Reapers actually attack other galaxies other than this one...

EDIT: Ninja'd... Sorry for the repetition... ;P

Modifié par Pride Demon, 10 juin 2011 - 07:46 .

[Thompson family]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Then the Alliance was just stupid. Why sacrifice everything for a battle that was already lost? Now the colonies have no defense.

I don't necessarily disagree with that statement, especially after the Battle of the Citadel showed the power of a single Reaper, much less hundreds of them — or thousands, as it turns out.

Still, it appears that's how the game will start out.

[Bluefuse]

I'm sure a Batarian squadmate is planned... BioWare seems to try to get at least one of every race.

[GreenDragon37]

Thompson family wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Then the Alliance was just stupid. Why sacrifice everything for a battle that was already lost? Now the colonies have no defense.

I don't necessarily disagree with that statement, especially after the Battle of the Citadel showed the power of a single Reaper, much less hundreds of them — or thousands, as it turns out.

Still, it appears that's how the game will start out.

Ugh, more making the Alliance look like a bunch of idiots. Thanks, BioWare. 

[Madmoe77]

Given the nature of species integration through trade and travel; it isn't a stretch to assume that there will be handfuls of Batarians alive and well no matter what happened to their systems in other sections of the known verse. This whole species eradication thing is only to the bio-versity of locations not like a polution that effects reproduction down the line or some neuro-selective genocide. I think it is safe to say that it is the time that Reaper's spend doing what they do that has the results. Let's say they destroy a sector and are handedly stopped in another. It is apparent from our travels in the known galaxy that diversity is never an issue. Even the Quarian and Volus who have genetic issues with most environtments have survived their limitations. Either the Reaper's exaggerate their effectiveness greatly or cultures tend to just give up entirely under the fear. I am guessing you can suggest the indoctrination speeds this process along-but it is hardly a full proof kulling mechanism. So my point is that you will see Batarians or should see Batarians; so long as the star-faring ones didn't all suddenly travel home in some last stand effort. Whch judging from their actions in other events would suggest they are more self-serving than sacrificial.

[ZLurps]

Thompson family wrote...

Obviously, that's a bit in the air right now as to whether or not its the entire fleet ...

Fair enough, but the video with producer Jesse Huston answering questions from fans, he clearly says the Alliance Navy has been practically wiped out. I'll edit this post later when I've found the link.

EDIT: Here it is

http://live-event.ea...at/mass-effect] Video Walkthrough and Q&A with Mass Effect 3[/url] Starting June 8th at 2PM PT / 5PM ET. The quote is from ME3 producer Jesse Huston.



21:30 – “At that point, the Reapers have basically wiped out the entire Alliance Navy.”

This pretty much explains what happened to Batarians as well. Reapers are killing machines honed to perfection.

What comes to communication, why weren't Batarians plead for help from the Council, remember those dark switches from mass relays? They can be used to control mass relay locally.
Now, practically all FTL communication (excluding Cerberus stuff on Normandy SR2) goes trough mass relays. When Reapers take control of mass relay in area they are going to attack, they can also cut out all the FTL communications, be that warning, or request for help.
What comes to Alliance spying satellites or such, they may be there but they also use mass relays to transmit information back home. Also, Alliance stealth tehcnology weren't effective against Collector cruiser, which I think used Reaper technology.

Then speed... at least some Reapers are huge. They can indoctrinate masses and get them inside, jump to earth and "passengers" in this case Batariens are made Cannibals, Batarian husks on flight. We saw something like this in already in ME2.

There are weak points in my theory though. If Reapers took control of when Charon relay when they arrived in Sol system, how would Shepard ever escape?
My speculative fan ****** is that Batarians tried to fight Reapers by themself or for some other reason didn't tried to inform the Citadel Council what is happening.
However, perhaps Alliance navy, in their hopeless battle against the invading Reaper fleet bought just enough time for Alliance, to inform Citadel Concil about the events, and as Citadel can control all mass relays in the mass relay network, they can keep Charon relay open from there for Shepard, remains of Alliance fleet and perhaps civilian refugee ships to escape trough it.

Side note:
Anyone recall Prothean recording on Ilos from ME1? "...Cannot be stopped.... Cannot be stopped!..."