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[JadeEffect]

Although there isn't much details, surrounding the trial, apart from it's on Earth, it doesn't make much sense.  Now, I'm not a pre-law major, but I thought if a crime was committed lets say in Europe, and they flee to America, wouldn't the perpetrator of the crime be extradited back to origin of the crime (spelling?) [considering if the country has such a thing in place]?

Considering the history between the Alliance and Batarians, it's safe to assume, the Batarians want Shepard's head, and I believe it would be taking place in a Batarian system/court. 

So why would Shepard face trial on Earth for a crime committed in Batarian space?

Just my theory and question

[EvilBeaver426]

US soldiers who have committed crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan face their court martial usually at military bases on US soil. Shepard would never get a fair trial in Batarian space.

[Wulfram]

People generally aren't extradited when they wouldn't get a fair trial. And the Batarian legal system seems unlikely to be at all fair.

[Dannyboy9876]

Theres nowhere to extradite shepard to. It's destroyed, remember? >_<

[graciegrace]

Shephard's getting a court martial from the Alliance, that's why his/her trial is on Earth.

[Cainne Chapel]

Plus it gives the alliance something to tout to the Batarian Hegemony(sp?). I doubt they'll actually convict Shepard (He's way to important) BUT it gives a nice little pomp and circumstance the Alliance can parade around in any case.

Of course that's saying if the Alliance still CARES about shephard...

[Bachi1230]

I see the trail being the equivalent to ME2 when you're leaving the Lazerous Project when Miranda questions your choices in ME. Also if it was held in Batarian space they would just kill him.

[JadeEffect]

Thanks for the replies guys, it makes sense now!

[ArcanistLibram]

Cainne Chapel wrote...
I doubt they'll actually convict Shepard (He's way to important) BUT it gives a nice little pomp and circumstance the Alliance can parade around in any case.

I'm sure the Alliance wouldn't think twice about throwing Shepard under the bus.

I'm also sure aliens burning down the Earth would be mildly disruptive to most court proceedings.

[Thompson family]

Shep's in serious legal limbo here. Hackett's request to go was presumbably encrypted and taken in private. If EDI did manage to record the transmission, the Alliance will take care of that while the Normady's in their hands back on Earth.

Notice that at the end of the Arrival mission, Hackett takes the highly unusual step of going to the Normandy. Notice that Dr. Chakwas leaves and EDI shuts off in the sick bay. At the end, Hackett  says "I don't need to see a report to know you did the right thing" and hands Shep's report back.

Nice show of confidence? Maybe.

My first thought was: He's turning down the report and keeping everything between him and Shep spoken-word only basis.

Therefore, no formal record exists of any Hackett-Shep connection and no there's no evidence that Shep didn't go out there on his/her own.

I like Hackett and want to believe he's on Shep's side, but the odds
are that he didn't rise to high rank without knowing how to keep his
backside covered.

Hackett and the Alliiance have plausible denial that they were involved at all. They can claim Kenson went out there on her own.

We know that Kenson was a "deep cover operative" and that only the Alliance could know where she was at until the Batarians captured her. However, the Alliance could claim she went rogue and that "The Project" was funded by Cerberus, which sent Shep to finish the job when Kenson lost her nerve.

Whether any of this matters remains to be seen. ME3 producer Jesse Huston said that the Reapers arrive in Batarian space, so the chances are that the Batarians are devestated and that Shepard's warnings of an imminent threat are now proven.

Anyway, the point of the proceedings on Earth — trial, hearing, court martial, inquest, whatever — is not justice. It's political, like Tali's trial. Do we (the Alliance) or do we not need to make a sacrificial lamb of Shep to keep the edgy peace with the Batarians? Keep in mind that the Allliance Brass "descended like vultures, tearing apart every you said" about the Reaper threat. Hackett's probably in the minority in believing there's a Reaper threat at all.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Good breakdown there, Thompson. Personally, what I found interested was when Hackett said "I can be friendly... for now," In particular, the "for now" bit. It sounded like he had other plans to deal with Shepard, but couldn't proceed with them just yet for whatever reason.

[jtav]

Yeah. It seemed obvious to me Hackett was throwing us to the wolves. Which is why I hope we have the option to get him killed.

[BloodyTalon]

JadeEffect wrote...

Although there isn't much details, surrounding the trial, apart from it's on Earth, it doesn't make much sense.  Now, I'm not a pre-law major, but I thought if a crime was committed lets say in Europe, and they flee to America, wouldn't the perpetrator of the crime be extradited back to origin of the crime (spelling?) [considering if the country has such a thing in place]?

Considering the history between the Alliance and Batarians, it's safe to assume, the Batarians want Shepard's head, and I believe it would be taking place in a Batarian system/court. 

So why would Shepard face trial on Earth for a crime committed in Batarian space?

Just my theory and question

He/she did sort of commt mass maurder and the admiral did say he would be called t answer that to that alliance I beilvie.

Modifié par Talosred, 10 juin 2011 - 04:47 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Exclude political crimes, most of the crimes, possibly done by the suspect, must be pursuitable by every country (International Police) outside the country of the suspect. Finally he should be sent to the courthouse.

[Someone With Mass]

I think Jesse Houston said that the trial isn't just for the batarian incident, but several other bad things Shepard did throughout his/her career as well. A resume, if you will.

[JadeEffect]

Damn, if I was a juror for Shepard's case, I would find him guilty, because all the dirt my Shepard as done, even as a paragon Shep, would warrant him a death sentence!

[sponge56]

[quote]JadeEffect wrote...

  Now, I'm not a pre-law major, but I thought if a crime was committed lets say in Europe, and they flee to America, wouldn't the perpetrator of the crime be extradited back to origin of the crime (spelling?) [considering if the country has such a thing in place]?




Bioware can really do what they want here as there is no definitive real world answer.  For example, the USA can extradite UK citizens who commit crimes in the US, but the UK cant extradite US citizens who commit crimes in the UK (which is totally ****ed up btw).  Also, china doesnt extradite any of its citizens for trial and neither does russia.  So really, Bioware can go with whatever one they want becasue there is no real life benchmark 

Modifié par sponge56, 10 juin 2011 - 04:56 .

[Thompson family]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I think Jesse Houston said that the trial isn't just for the batarian incident, but several other bad things Shepard did throughout his/her career as well. A resume, if you will.

True, SWM, but it was the Batarian incident that took the cake and the prospect of war that's forcing the Alliance to do something.

[amcnow]

I trust Admiral Hackett about as much as I trust Cerberus... not at all. He comes across as a self-serving weasel. I hope he's the obligatory characher who dies at the beginning of ME3 and not Councilor/Admiral Anderson as many people are suspecting.

Anderson dies at the start of Mass Effect 3
Anderson Totally Dies in the Intro

As for the trial... Are we even sure it's a full-fledged trial and not (let's say) a hearing (maybe to determine if he should stand trial)? I would think Admiral Hackett would have Shepard arrested if that were the case (which would make a great addition to the prologue). We could then be given the choice to either surrender peacefully (Paragon) or go down with a fight (Renegade). Make it happen BioWare!!!

Modifié par amcnow, 10 juin 2011 - 05:03 .

[aragfore03]

Either way, I'm just hoping for an interactive trial.

[Wulfram]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I think Jesse Houston said that the trial isn't just for the batarian incident, but several other bad things Shepard did throughout his/her career as well. A resume, if you will.

For a pure Paragon shepard, the list of bad things would seem pretty short and hardly worth bringing up alongside killing 300,000 people.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Yeah. It seemed obvious to me Hackett was throwing us to the wolves. Which is why I hope we have the option to get him killed.

He said something along the lines of "I can't stop it but I can and will fight for you" refering to the trial
and you want to get him killed

[Fragglespank]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Yeah. It seemed obvious to me Hackett was throwing us to the wolves. Which is why I hope we have the option to get him killed.

He said something along the lines of "I can't stop it but I can and will fight for you" refering to the trial
and you want to get him killed

There are people on here who wanted to shoot Jack out of the airlock because she said a few naughty words.

We're surrounded by psychopaths!

[Fiery Phoenix]

Thompson family wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I think Jesse Houston said that the trial isn't just for the batarian incident, but several other bad things Shepard did throughout his/her career as well. A resume, if you will.

True, SWM, but it was the Batarian incident that took the cake and the prospect of war that's forcing the Alliance to do something.

One piece of Cerberus Daily News seemed to hint on the Council having considered arresting Shepard as early as weeks following the Battle of the Citadel.