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[Raiil]

Dunno. I get the legalities, but is Shepard even under Alliance jurisdiction? They were dead, you can choose to remain 'dead' via C-sec- hell, you don't even have to go see the Council- and Shepard even says at what point that they technically don't even work for them anymore.

IDK, but if it's an option, I'm going to pull the 'I'm not an Alliance citizen' anymore card.

[BloodyTalon]

Valentia X wrote...

Dunno. I get the legalities, but is Shepard even under Alliance jurisdiction? They were dead, you can choose to remain 'dead' via C-sec- hell, you don't even have to go see the Council- and Shepard even says at what point that they technically don't even work for them anymore.

IDK, but if it's an option, I'm going to pull the 'I'm not an Alliance citizen' anymore card.

AArrr he be a space pirate now?

[wr3xl3ss]

Maybe a special court has been established, like the one for Yugoslavia and Rwanda?

Either way, I'm really anxious to see how they will tear apart every single thing we did, every since we became a Spectre. Or at least, that's what I am expecting... Also, will need to punch the annoying reporter again, if she's there.

[Paula Deen]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

One piece of Cerberus Daily News seemed to hint on the Council having considered arresting Shepard as early as weeks following the Battle of the Citadel.

Why would they do that? That's just borderline stupid.

A number of reasons, including but possibly not limited to:

• Releasing or killing the Rachni Queen
• Destroying the Thorian
• Detonating nuclear devices on Virmire
• Hijacking the Normandy during the detention at the Citadel

This is in accordance with the Council's reaction to each of these decisions in ME1, off the top of my head.

[*]Those aren't even crimes. Unless the Council investigates Shepard and revokes his Spectre status, the Alliance has no authority to charge Shepard with ANYTHING outside of the Arrival events. Even then, it would be ludicrously easy to defend himself against any of those charges. The Thorian was a clear and present danger to innocent lives. The nuke was authorized by the STG (and used against Saren). No civilians were killed. Hijacking the Normandy? Spectre authority (the Council never explicitly forbade it) and, well, Shepard saved everyone's lives that day.
[*]The Rachni Queen wasn't an Alliance issue; it happened on private teritory on a Council mission.

[wr3xl3ss]

Actually, regardless of the fact that Shepard was a Spectre, he was STILL an Alliance official. Hackett says that in the original ME if I'm not mistaken.

[Zimary]

SPOILERS. I think. Eh, just to be safe: SPOILERS!


I think I heard somewhere that at the trial you'll be asked to answer for your actions throughout both ME1 and ME2. I think the Rachni will be brought up, as well as Legion, Cerberus, the Shadow Broker, and several other subjects depending on how you played. Its kind of made obvious since if you played Shadow broker, you might remember the part where the rogue SPECTRE takes a hostage and you say certain things depending on how you played.

EDIT: And beside, its not a criminal trial, its a military inquiry, probably to determine court marshal or something.

Modifié par Zimary, 11 juin 2011 - 05:51 .

[Napier93]

I just hope the Trial goes into a little depth, not just you making one quick response to a question and then "Oh, hey, the Reapers are here!"

[CC-Tron]

Napier93 wrote...

I just hope the Trial goes into a little depth, not just you making one quick response to a question and then "Oh, hey, the Reapers are here!"

I doubt there will be an actual trial. The likely scenario will be the reapers will attack while Shep is 'awaiting' trial. That way the players can get to the action scenes quickly.

[Someone With Mass]

They could draw the resume of Shepard's past before the Reapers attack, though, since I think that's sort of the point with the trial.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Paula Deen wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

One piece of Cerberus Daily News seemed to hint on the Council having considered arresting Shepard as early as weeks following the Battle of the Citadel.

Why would they do that? That's just borderline stupid.

A number of reasons, including but possibly not limited to:

• Releasing or killing the Rachni Queen
• Destroying the Thorian
• Detonating nuclear devices on Virmire
• Hijacking the Normandy during the detention at the Citadel

This is in accordance with the Council's reaction to each of these decisions in ME1, off the top of my head.

[*]Those aren't even crimes. Unless the Council investigates Shepard and revokes his Spectre status, the Alliance has no authority to charge Shepard with ANYTHING outside of the Arrival events. Even then, it would be ludicrously easy to defend himself against any of those charges. The Thorian was a clear and present danger to innocent lives. The nuke was authorized by the STG (and used against Saren). No civilians were killed. Hijacking the Normandy? Spectre authority (the Council never explicitly forbade it) and, well, Shepard saved everyone's lives that day.
[*]The Rachni Queen wasn't an Alliance issue; it happened on private teritory on a Council mission.

It's not that they're crimes; it's simply that they, collectively, warrant bringing Shepard in for questioning. The Council is pissed regardless of what you do with the Rachni Queen; the Council never authorized taking the Normandy during Shepard's detention at the Citadel, etc. It would seem natural that they'd want to question Shepard after all is said and done, but instead they sent her off to fight remaining geth...

[The BS Police]

Airell wrote...
Shepard  and Liara are on a planet researching a dig site with lot of blue children

Fixed that for you, why would Shepard and Liara ened to adopt children when Asari can have children with any species?

[GnusmasTHX]

Zimary wrote...

SPOILERS. I think. Eh, just to be safe: SPOILERS!


I think I heard somewhere that at the trial you'll be asked to answer for your actions throughout both ME1 and ME2. I think the Rachni will be brought up, as well as Legion, Cerberus, the Shadow Broker, and several other subjects depending on how you played. Its kind of made obvious since if you played Shadow broker, you might remember the part where the rogue SPECTRE takes a hostage and you say certain things depending on how you played.

EDIT: And beside, its not a criminal trial, its a military inquiry, probably to determine court marshal or something.

I hope the dialog options for every query include "..."

That way I can remain silent until a bunch of robot squids start falling out of the sky.

[jlb524]

The party never starts until robot squids fall from the sky.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

CC-Tron wrote...

Napier93 wrote...

I just hope the Trial goes into a little depth, not just you making one quick response to a question and then "Oh, hey, the Reapers are here!"

I doubt there will be an actual trial. The likely scenario will be the reapers will attack while Shep is 'awaiting' trial. That way the players can get to the action scenes quickly.

I'd like some build up story before the action and the trial will give Bioware an area for them to bring Shepard's past choices into some context allowing for variable changes to the opening. If players just want to get into the action they should go play one of the countless 'More Action than Story' type games.

[Ahriman]

Paula Deen wrote... the Alliance has no authority to charge Shepard with ANYTHING outside of the Arrival events.

Shepard dissapeared two years ago, then VS discovered that Shepard was working with Cerberus. Shepard clearly is a deserter and possibly a terrorist.

CC-Tron wrote...

Napier93 wrote...

I just hope the Trial goes into a little depth, not just you making one quick response to a question and then "Oh, hey, the Reapers are here!"

I doubt there will be an actual trial. The likely scenario will be the reapers will attack while Shep is 'awaiting' trial. That way the players can get to the action scenes quickly.

Oh please, no. Trial might be one of best moment in the game, I don't want it be ruined like that.

[clone wars]

i thnik the trial is way for Shepard's to help the Alliance to be on good relationship with Batarians and if a Batarians are at the trial and if Shepard's show the evidence that the reapers go in ther space then maybe the Batarians will not Shepard's to be put in a Alliance or Batarians prison

[MasterofMunchaster]

I think you should expect the same gimmicky conversation in trial/hearing that you got in ME2: the conversation with Miranda and Jacob in the Kodiak shuttle. "Do you remember?!!!" "YES I DO! AND IT WAS SOME TRAUMATIZING ****, SO DON'T BE SO $@(&$ IN MY FACE ABOUT IT!!"

[Ghost Warrior]

What I want to know the most is did Hackett set Shepard up?

[The Apostate]

I do hope that the trial is interactive, regardless if we have to make responses regarding our past actions. I also hope there will be a little more build up to the Reaper arrival because honestly I can't see myself caring much about a planet I spend five minutes on, even if that planet is Earth.

[JadeEffect]

I want an interactive comic trial/hearing to help replay our decisions or modify, or even start a new Shep with new decisions. That would be a good way to start ME3.

[CroGamer002]

amcnow wrote...

I trust Admiral Hackett about as much as I trust Cerberus... not at all. He comes across as a self-serving weasel. I hope he's the obligatory characher who dies at the beginning of ME3

You mean only guy but Anderson in power that believes there are Reapers and tries everything in his power to help like you know, NOT GETTING YOU ARRESTED?!

Oh and he tries to buy you some time after Arrival instead of taking you back on Earth.
And he says he'll fight for you.

There was never an indication for him to betray Shepard.

and not Councilor/Admiral Anderson as many people are suspecting.

Anderson dies at the start of Mass Effect 3
Anderson Totally Dies in the Intro

Well considering that Shepard can talk to Anderson after he/she get's on Normandy and we can see Anderson talking to Shepard in E3 Earth Demo on Machinima.

He won't die, just stay on Earth.

As for the trial... Are we even sure it's a full-fledged trial and not (let's say) a hearing (maybe to determine if he should stand trial)? I would think Admiral Hackett would have Shepard arrested if that were the case (which would make a great addition to the prologue). We could then be given the choice to either surrender peacefully (Paragon) or go down with a fight (Renegade). Make it happen BioWare!!!

It's already confirmed that ME3 will start with trial and having 2 long tutorial fights is bad game design( especially if 1st one is skipable as "good" choice).


Also Hackett had opportunity to arrest Shepard many times. Why betray Shepard now?




You're asking for giant retcon for not understanding Hackett's character.

[Patchwork]

Calinstel wrote...

The trial is just a plot device. A gimmick that allows people too lazy to play through ME1 and ME2 a chance to start at the same point as those people that have played the previous games.
It provides a way for the new player to select answers, like we had to in ME2 with Miranda and Jacob, setting our character up even though our imports clearly had that info and was just an annoying intro section.
It provides a way to totally, and for some, forcibly, break the connection between Shepard and Ceberus. This way, even those who wanted to stay with Cerberus have no choice just as those who would have left Cerberus in ME2 could not.
It provides a way to once more alter the Normandy and give us more things we must upgrade. Again.
Edit:  It provides a convenient way to force all of our Shepards to the exact same point in the galaxy. 

Pretty much THIS.

The trail is a way to clue in new players, take away our ME2 crew and force us to become Alliance again even if we'd rather not.

We might be lucky and have the occassional 'I don't work for the Alliance'
dialogue option but that will be it.

That said if this is where we get to air quote the Turian councollor I don't care how forced the rest of it is.

Modifié par Ser Bard, 11 juin 2011 - 01:23 .

[The Apostate]

Why would Hackett betray Shepard at the trial? Because Shepard obliterated an entire star system, killing 300 000. And because Shepard failed in his mission -- Hackett's personal friend, Dr. Kenson, dies when she was supposed to be rescued.

To be honest I have no idea what's going to happen with Hackett; basically the only things I know about him are that he led the Alliance fleets in ME1 and that the Voice Actor for Hackett played Bishop in Aliens.

[Hatchetman77]

Wulfram wrote...
For a pure Paragon shepard, the list of bad things would seem pretty short and hardly worth bringing up alongside killing 300,000 people.

They might have issue with releasing the Rachni, stealing the Normandy, assisting a known terrorist group (treason), and assisting an enemy of the Alliance, namely the Geth (and also another charge of treason). Helping Emily Wong the first nets you at minumum diclosure of Alliance intelligence to unauthorized personel and could even be considered espionage since you accepted money for it.  If that information was considered classified then that's another count of treason.  The second Emily Wong mission is flat out espionage.

The military takes treason seriously.  They take two and possably three counts of treason even more seriously.  Killing 300,000 people who may be considered collateral damage of an alliance intelligence operation takes a backseat to that.