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[DCarter]

Although it seems to be the most likely solution, I'd really hate that to be the reason. Why would the indoctrination process take so long? It's clear from the comics that TIM had a different reaction to the reaper tech than the others that experienced it. It just doesn't add up. If TIM was indoctrinated it's going to involve some serious retconning of mass effect 2 which was already feeling like a side mission. 

I'd honestly rather take TIM being pissed off over Miranda's waining loyalty than im being indoctrinated at this point. 

Modifié par DCarter, 10 juin 2011 - 09:14 .

[jeweledleah]

not sure if its been mentioned but did it occur to anyone that lazarus project might not be a one time deal. what if TIM was looking for ways to extend his life etc. but you know that's a pretty pricey research to just undertake. he's also watching Shepard figuring out ways how to possibly use him. what if... he was the one who set up the whole attack on the normandy? why is it that collectors keep shooting at the normandy but leave escape pods intact? how did he set up that damaged collector ship, heck how did he set up so nicely the ambush on Horizon? if colectors are going after SHepard or people connected to Shepard, why didn't they go after Liara (especially if you consider that she stole the body from them). why not Joker. or Tali. or Anderson. why virmire survivor specifically, who just happens to be the ONLY person TIM blocks you outright from contacting.

you know how Wrex sets it up so that you clean up the house for him, removing the ally who is no longer useful, before that ally can become full fledged enemy? what stops TIM from doing same? here's a very lovely useful test subject. here's an uneasy alien ally that will have to be removed sooner or later - Collectors.

We don't know much about TIM's plans. but we do know that he is manipulative, ruthless and smarter then he lets on (wasn't aware of all those rogue projects, my butt - I have no doubts that he was perfectly aware - after all he was the one keeping Jack locked up on purgatory until she could be used.)

Shepard has served his/her purpose. even pro Cerberus Shepard is potential hindrance/threat. TIM doesn't need to be indoctrinated in order to decide that he no longer needs Shepard alive.

[GreenDragon37]

Rawke wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

wr3xl3ss wrote...

I find it hard to believe that TIM is indoctrinated, simply because it would be predictable as hell. IMO, what Cerberus stands for, which is the "preservation and advancement of the human race" may mean MANY, MANY things to different individuals.

In Evolution, it is suggested a direct convo between the Reapers ( possibly Harbinger ) and the TIM. It's not like it would be unusual for organics to negotiate with them... After all, Harbinger negotiated the return of Shepard's body with the Shadow Broker through the Collector General.

You act like TIM being indoctrinated is a choice.

The Reapers don't ask you to be indoctrinated, they force it on you. Saren had other plans before he was indoctrinated, but whatever they were, they were long gone by that point.

That is the point of Indoctrination: it changes you. Makes you a Servant of the Reapers.

Also, TIM has a big enough ego to be blind to the fact that he is manipulated until it's too late. With him under control, Cerberus is a piece of cake. IF TIM is indoctrinated, he was probably chosen because he's an easy target. Or the Reapers just thought he was a pain in the ass for bringing Shepard back to life and decided to replace the Collectors with Cerberus. Either way, the Reapers have another army of mindless morons who would've jumped off a cliff if TIm tolde them to even BEFORE being indoctrinated.

Maybe it's just how the Reapers operate. Maybe they had some kind of organic helper for every cycle, maybe to infiltrate the defenders, maybe to achieve more knowledge about the races they are currently annihilating...who knows. They tried to get Saren and failed. Shepard's a no-go (I personally think the Collectors might even have brought Shepard back themselves as an indoctrinated agent of some sorts) so why not TIM. He's got the necessary influence and network to be a valuable asset.

That's actually one of the Reapers' uses for indoctrination:

Using agents to sell out their own kind. It would be expected, especially since TIM and Cerberus were aggresivly studying Reaper tech, and they brought Shep back. Maybe not all of Cerberus is indoctrinated, just enough to make them a pain in the butt for Shep.

And yes, it would make since for the Reapers to go after TIM. They go after Shep for the same reason:

He's a pain in the ass!

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 09:16 .

[wr3xl3ss]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Something tells me you don't like it because you think TIM is infalliabe, and should be safe from all harm.

I don't like it because it would be boring and predictable. Simple really... You don't need to be a genius to come up with such basic theory.

And what does Cerberus's motto have to do with anything in this discussion? It all gets thrown out the window when Indoctrination is involved.

Try harder and think harder.

If TIM is indoctrinated, good. It's just what I would expect from the Reapers:

Use the galaxy's top leaders against eachother. Sell out their own kind. That's what happened to the Protheans, and I'm sure as hell it can happen to TIM, especially since he has Reaper tech in him.

He doesn't have reaper tech on him... And he's hardly indoctrinated from what has been seen thus far. He probably gained some sorth of sixth sense or higher cognitivity abilities, but calling that indoctrinated is a stretch to say the least.

Again, some of you guys go for too easy answers... No wonder some developers dumb down storyline, for the sake of their fanbase being able to understand them.

[Eshaye]

The Reapers do not discriminate, they try to mind control anyone they 'touch'. You either help them and get rewarded with massive genetic recoding or become sludge for a baby Reaper. There is no dealing with them, you're a cow for them to herd and process, even if the cow thinks she's got a good deal with this shiny grass patch you just gave her, she's still dinner...

As for Shepard they have some plan for him/her, probably want his/her genetic code really badly to intergrate it into their own. Shepard is like your prize chicken/pumpkin, you treat it nice and take good care of it until it's time to make it useful.

edit: It's already established TIM's eyes are Reaper tech.... Don't argue otherwise. 

He doesn't react differently to the tech he's just not consumed with it because only his eyes get affected, due to secondary contact with the artifact. But he still has visions, he senses the Reapers and their artifacts, he can locate them across the damn galaxy. That was 30 years ago.... You can't tell me he's gotten better.. 

Say that you hate the plot line fine, but it is what it is. TIM is an awesome character though I doubt they've put so much effort into him so that he ends up just like Saren, I'm sure he's got a few surprises. But there's isn't much to go on that he's not a Reaper puppet however, no matter how clever he think he is.  

Modifié par Eshaye, 10 juin 2011 - 09:24 .

[Dave of Canada]

Eshaye wrote...

Yes they did and bookmarking for posterity and until anyone wants to ask: why bring Shepard back? ----->

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/7596802/2#7598547

Theory doesn't make sense if you include the novel set after ME2 (and I disagree with those points but I've argued them countless times before).

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 10 juin 2011 - 09:20 .

[wr3xl3ss]

Eshaye wrote...

The Reapers do not discriminate, they try to mind control anyone they 'touch'. You either help them and get rewarded with massive genetic recoding or become sludge for a baby Reaper. There is no dealing with them, you're a cow for them to herd and process, even if the cow thinks she's got a good deal with this shiny grass patch you just gave her, she's still dinner...

As for Shepard they have some plan for him/her, probably want his/her genetic code really badly to intergrate it into their own. Shepard is like your prize chicken/pumpkin, you treat it nice and take good care of it until it's time to make it useful.

For each individual reaper, you get the brain pattern of the individual who better represents the race who was used to create it in the first place.

You heard it here first and yet: In Ultimate Renegade Ending, Shepard WILL become a Reaper and harvest everything and everyone, starting with Miranda and Ashley... At the same time.

[Bluefuse]

wr3xl3ss wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Something tells me you don't like it because you think TIM is infalliabe, and should be safe from all harm.

I don't like it because it would be boring and predictable. Simple really... You don't need to be a genius to come up with such basic theory.

And what does Cerberus's motto have to do with anything in this discussion? It all gets thrown out the window when Indoctrination is involved.

Try harder and think harder.

If TIM is indoctrinated, good. It's just what I would expect from the Reapers:

Use the galaxy's top leaders against eachother. Sell out their own kind. That's what happened to the Protheans, and I'm sure as hell it can happen to TIM, especially since he has Reaper tech in him.

He doesn't have reaper tech on him... And he's hardly indoctrinated from what has been seen thus far. He probably gained some sorth of sixth sense or higher cognitivity abilities, but calling that indoctrinated is a stretch to say the least.

Again, some of you guys go for too easy answers... No wonder some developers dumb down storyline, for the sake of their fanbase being able to understand them.

This is why I believed that TIM was not indoctrinated for the longest time and that the Evolution comic proves that he may be immune to indoctrination after what happened. BUT, go back on page 2 and look at what "ME - ParaShep" wrote. It makes a lot of sense. What if TIM was indoctrinated all long?

[GreenDragon37]

wr3xl3ss wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Something tells me you don't like it because you think TIM is infalliabe, and should be safe from all harm.

I don't like it because it would be boring and predictable. Simple really... You don't need to be a genius to come up with such basic theory.

And what does Cerberus's motto have to do with anything in this discussion? It all gets thrown out the window when Indoctrination is involved.

Try harder and think harder.

If TIM is indoctrinated, good. It's just what I would expect from the Reapers:

Use the galaxy's top leaders against eachother. Sell out their own kind. That's what happened to the Protheans, and I'm sure as hell it can happen to TIM, especially since he has Reaper tech in him.

He doesn't have reaper tech on him... And he's hardly indoctrinated from what has been seen thus far. He probably gained some sorth of sixth sense or higher cognitivity abilities, but calling that indoctrinated is a stretch to say the least.

Again, some of you guys go for too easy answers... No wonder some developers dumb down storyline, for the sake of their fanbase being able to understand them.

Again, they're motto means nothing when they are indoctrinated. Indoctrination is powerful. Using sleeper agents to sell out your species is one of the reasons why they won time and time again. Getting TIM is just as good, because with Cerberus connections and power, they can use them as an "inside force" to defeat the Reapers.

Again, it's not "dumbing down the story", you just don't like it because there's the possibility that Timmy-boy could be indoctrinated. It's their most powerful weapon, they're gonna use it.

Kenson didn't seem to be effected by the Reaper tech, did she? Then she did a 180. You didn't see it coming. TIM could have been succumbing to Indoctrination for years, it was only now that the Reapers are here that they decide to use it to its full potential.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 09:25 .

[Eshaye]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Yes they did and bookmarking for posterity and until anyone wants to ask: why bring Shepard back? ----->

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/7596802/2#7598547

Theory doesn't make sense if you include the novel set after ME2 (and I disagree with those points but I've argued them countless times before).

How so? It's makes perfect sense, unless you are going to believe exactly what TIM says, and you shouldn't be. 

[Eshaye]

wr3xl3ss wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

The Reapers do not discriminate, they try to mind control anyone they 'touch'. You either help them and get rewarded with massive genetic recoding or become sludge for a baby Reaper. There is no dealing with them, you're a cow for them to herd and process, even if the cow thinks she's got a good deal with this shiny grass patch you just gave her, she's still dinner...

As for Shepard they have some plan for him/her, probably want his/her genetic code really badly to intergrate it into their own. Shepard is like your prize chicken/pumpkin, you treat it nice and take good care of it until it's time to make it useful.

For each individual reaper, you get the brain pattern of the individual who better represents the race who was used to create it in the first place.

You heard it here first and yet: In Ultimate Renegade Ending, Shepard WILL become a Reaper and harvest everything and everyone, starting with Miranda and Ashley... At the same time.

Bwah ha ha ha! No but that's probably along the lines of what the Reapers are going for. 

[GreenDragon37]

Eshaye wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Yes they did and bookmarking for posterity and until anyone wants to ask: why bring Shepard back? ----->

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/7596802/2#7598547

Theory doesn't make sense if you include the novel set after ME2 (and I disagree with those points but I've argued them countless times before).

How so? It's makes perfect sense, unless you are going to believe exactly what TIM says, and you shouldn't be. 

Exactly. He's a manipulator. He admits it himself. I find it funny people say people who re-write the geth should be punished for trusting them, but not Cerberus?

C'mon! Cerberus is perfect for being Indoctrinated. Heck, I'll take some of my squadmates being indoctrinated. It'll only show that the Reapers aren't just big ships that bludgeon through everything. They're cruel, methodical, and sneaky.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 09:29 .

[Dave of Canada]

Eshaye wrote...

How so? It's makes perfect sense, unless you are going to believe exactly what TIM says, and you shouldn't be. 

TIM loves thinking to himself that he needs to be prepared to stop the Reapers and studying the Collector Base (destroyed or not) for ways to stop them in labs away from his facility?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 10 juin 2011 - 09:30 .

[wr3xl3ss]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Again, they're motto means nothing when they are indoctrinated. Indoctrination is powerful. Using sleeper agents to sell out your species is one of the reasons why they won time and time again. Getting TIM is just as good, because with Cerberus connections and power, they can use them as an "inside force" to defeat the Reapers.

You have yet to proove he's indoctrinated... Again, for him to be indoctrinated, it would require direct contact with Reaper technology and even then, it would be subtle and take time.

Last time I checked, TIM NEVER was in contact with Reaper technology and in Retribution ge goes to great lenghts to avoid that. Evolution hardly counts, since he wasn't the one who interacted with the relic to begin with, but rather Ben.

Again, either a sixth sense or higher cognitive functions, nothing more. Don't try to explain everything with "OMG..!!111!! TIM IZ INDOCTANED...!!1111!!" just because you can't come up with anything else.

Again, it's not "dumbing down the story", you just don't like it because there's the possibility that Timmy-boy could be indoctrinated. It's their most powerful weapon, they're gonna use it.

It's dumbing down no doubt... I want characters with their own story-arcs, with their own reasons, motivations and things that drive them, other than having everything coming down to "INDOCTANATED...!!11111!". 

It has been before to define a villain and I doubt they'll use it now on the long run... 

Kenson didn't seem to be effected by the Reaper tech, did she? Then she did a 180. You didn't see it coming. TIM could have been succumbing to Indoctrination for years, it was only now that the Reapers are here that they decide to use it to its full potential.

I fail to see how that prooves that TIM is indoctrinated. Again, I suggest you take a look at the Expanded Universe, including Evolution and Retribution.

[Eshaye]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

How so? It's makes perfect sense, unless you are going to believe exactly what TIM says, and you shouldn't be. 

TIM loves thinking to himself that he needs to be prepared to stop the Reapers and studying the Collector Base (destroyed or not) for ways to stop them in labs away from his facility?

Yep. Remember Grayson? I have to stop them, I have to control myself ect... And then.. Oh hey I feel happy now, let's do things I won't even be aware of later, but when I will be I'll think it was a great idea even though it's the total opposite of what I wanted to do in the first place.. 

TIM has convinced himself for years that all he's doing is studying the Reapers to beat them, to save humanity. But his actions say otherwise, his actions points that he's being played and the more you resist the more the Reapers will make you dance around. Regardless what you think to yourself and say to others. 

[wr3xl3ss]

Eshaye wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

How so? It's makes perfect sense, unless you are going to believe exactly what TIM says, and you shouldn't be. 

TIM loves thinking to himself that he needs to be prepared to stop the Reapers and studying the Collector Base (destroyed or not) for ways to stop them in labs away from his facility?

Yep. Remember Grayson? I have to stop them, I have to control myself ect... And then.. Oh hey I feel happy now, let's do things I won't even be aware of later, but when I will be I'll think it was a great idea even though it's the total opposite of what I wanted to do in the first place.. 

TIM has convinced himself for years that all he's doing is studying the Reapers to beat them, to save humanity. But his actions say otherwise, his actions points that he's being played and the more you resist the more the Reapers will make you dance around. Regardless what you think to yourself and say to others. 

Grayson was different IMO... Saren still identified himself as Saren during the final act of ME, but Grayson was nothing more than an avatar for the Reapers. His mind was pretty much gone by the end of the novel.

[Eshaye]

wr3xl3ss wrote...

Grayson was different IMO... Saren still identified himself as Saren during the final act of ME, but Grayson was nothing more than an avatar for the Reapers. His mind was pretty much gone by the end of the novel.

The more tech you have in you the worse it gets, Saren started small and so is Tim. But it's the same in the end. 

[GreenDragon37]

wr3xl3ss wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Again, they're motto means nothing when they are indoctrinated. Indoctrination is powerful. Using sleeper agents to sell out your species is one of the reasons why they won time and time again. Getting TIM is just as good, because with Cerberus connections and power, they can use them as an "inside force" to defeat the Reapers.

You have yet to proove he's indoctrinated... Again, for him to be indoctrinated, it would require direct contact with Reaper technology and even then, it would be subtle and take time.

Last time I checked, TIM NEVER was in contact with Reaper technology and in Retribution ge goes to great lenghts to avoid that. Evolution hardly counts, since he wasn't the one who interacted with the relic to begin with, but rather Ben.

Again, either a sixth sense or higher cognitive functions, nothing more. Don't try to explain everything with "OMG..!!111!! TIM IZ INDOCTANED...!!1111!!" just because you can't come up with anything else.

Again, it's not "dumbing down the story", you just don't like it because there's the possibility that Timmy-boy could be indoctrinated. It's their most powerful weapon, they're gonna use it.

It's dumbing down no doubt... I want characters with their own story-arcs, with their own reasons, motivations and things that drive them, other than having everything coming down to "INDOCTANATED...!!11111!". 

It has been before to define a villain and I doubt they'll use it now on the long run... 

Kenson didn't seem to be effected by the Reaper tech, did she? Then she did a 180. You didn't see it coming. TIM could have been succumbing to Indoctrination for years, it was only now that the Reapers are here that they decide to use it to its full potential.

I fail to see how that prooves that TIM is indoctrinated. Again, I suggest you take a look at the Expanded Universe, including Evolution and Retribution.

How is he a worse villain for being indoctrinated? The best kind of villains are ones that think they are doing the right thing. They think they're the good guys. That's why I liked Saren. He thought he was doing the right thing, but he was only being manipulated. Best intentions. That's a great villain.

TIM has a motivation: protect Humanity at any cost. He has a history. He was at First Contact, he's distrustful of aliens, he comes into contact with Reaper tech.

And you don't know if he isn't indoctrinated. You can't prove it either, but we can go by what we've seen. The point is, if he is, it's not stupid. It makes sense. Being indoctrinated doesn't make him not a great villain. You only think that because you wanted TIM to be the good guy. He thinks that he's doing what he must to protect Humanity, but the sad part is he's helping the very thing he swore to fight.

And having Reaper tech inside you should be a big indicator that TIM could be indoctrinated. And again, you have not explained what Cerberus's motto has to do with this topic. Indoctrination changes you.

Also, wasn't Grayson full of Reaper tech? Even more than TIM? Of course Grayson would be more susceptible.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 09:43 .

[wr3xl3ss]

Eshaye wrote...

The more tech you have in you the worse it gets, Saren started small and so is Tim. But it's the same in the end. 

Not really. Again, Grayson was nothing more than a puppet for the Reapers by the end of the novel, since the individual itself was already gone.Saren on the other hand, even with the implants, still had a grasp of WHO he was. 

There's a considerable difference in my book.

GreenDragon37 wrote...

How is he a worse villain for being indoctrinated? The best kind of villains are ones that think they are doing the right thing. They think they're the good guys. That's why I liked Saren. He thought he was doing the right thing, but he was only being manipulated. Best intentions. That's a great villain.

I assume you are familiar with the concept of "Indoctrination" within the ME universe. Also, last time I checked, my own idea of what drives TIM doesn't nullify what you're saying.

The difference is that I'm sure he's doing what he's doing out of free will, not because he was indoctrinated. Also, if you were that much of a Saren fan, I'm pretty sure you'd like him to be unique in the way his character was developed, instead of having TIM as Saren v1.5.

TIM has a motivation: protect Humanity at any cost. He has a history. He was at First Contact, he's distrustful of aliens, he comes into contact with Reaper tech.

You're wrong and I suggest you read between the lines. 

Cerberus' objectives are the "advancement and preservation of the Human Race". How one does that is up to discussion IMO and that's what TIM is going for.

And you don't know if he isn't indoctrinated. You can't prove it either, but we can go by what we've seen. The point is, if he is, it's not stupid. It makes sense. Being indoctrinated doesn't make him not a great villain. You only think that because you wanted TIM to be the good guy. He thinks that he's doing what he must to protect Humanity, but the sad part is he's helping the very thing he swore to fight.

By reading Evolution and Retribution, which I doubt you read BTW, it's seems fairly OBVIOUS he is NOT indoctrinated. 

Again, it would be dumb to have yet another major villain indoctrinated, with the EXACT kind of motivation Saren had in the original game. It would be poor storytelling altogether, for reasons already mentioned.

And having Reaper tech inside you should be a big indicator that TIM could be indoctrinated. And again, you have not explained what Cerberus's motto has to do with this topic. Indoctrination changes you.

You have yet to proove he has Reaper tech inside him; Again, Ben was the one who approached the relic and was subsequently changed by it, not TIM. It makes far more sense that he gained a sixth sense or highter cognitive abilities. 

Also, wasn't Grayson full of Reaper tech? Even more than TIM? Of course Grayson would be more susceptible. 

Never said otherwise last time I checked. However, TIM does NOT have Reaper tech inside him. Period.

[Serpenttt92]

HTTP 404 wrote...

Serpenttt92 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Serpenttt92 wrote...

TIM is not indoctrinated.

We don't know that.

I've played Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.

Is TIM indoctrinated or not? No... he is not.

this logic kinda reminds me of that popular saying "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

Believe what you want... TIM indoctrinated or a Reaper.To me the answer clear. 

[Eshaye]

Okay sorry you just won't be dissuaded, believe what you will then. And for the last time: TIM has reaper eyes. So go check the comic again because it's crystal clear, black on white. You can't get around that.

Edit: Yes Ben DIRECTLY touched the relic, but TIM touched BEN and his EYES WERE reaperized... No really I just can't believe you won't see that.. 

But if you want to think it isn't like that, go ahead, you'll see what happens in ME3...

Modifié par Eshaye, 10 juin 2011 - 09:57 .

[Lumikki]

I don't know even why ask the question.

What is Shepard trying to do?
Why would TIM want to "STOP" Shepard?

[Eshaye]

Lumikki wrote...

I don't know even why ask the question.

What is Shepard trying to do?
Why would TIM want to "STOP" Shepard?

Million dollar question we don't know this as of yet and it's part of why we're dabating this so hotly. :happy:

[GreenDragon37]

Eshaye wrote...

Okay sorry you just won't be dissuaded, believe what you will then. And for the last time: TIM has reaper eyes. So go check the comic again because it's crystal clear, black on white. You can't get around that.

Edit: Yes Ben DIRECTLY touched the relic, but TIM touched BEN and his EYES WERE reaperized... No really I just can't believe you won't see that.. 

But if you want to think it isn't like that, go ahead, you'll see what happens in ME3...

You can't convince some people, even if the writing is on the wall. TIM has some kind of Reaper tech in him. There's a possibility that he is Indoctrinated. People just don't wanna believe it.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 10:00 .

[wr3xl3ss]

Eshaye wrote...

Okay sorry you just won't be dissuaded, believe what you will then. And for the last time: TIM has reaper eyes. So go check the comic again because it's crystal clear, black on white. You can't get around that.

Reaper eyes? No, it isn't.

Edit: Yes Ben DIRECTLY touched the relic, but TIM touched BEN and his EYES WERE reaperized... No really I just can't believe you won't see that..

Again, for the last time, in case you failed to notice it: Higher cognitive abilities and / or a sixth sense. Makes perfect sense to me.

Also, Ben was considerably different, when compared with the other - almost - mindless husks last time I checked. It is my opinion that part of the discharge he received was actually absorbed by TIM.

Thus, the eyes.

But if you want to think it isn't like that, go ahead, you'll see what happens in ME3...

It's clear cut to me what will happen, at least concerning the Illusive Man.

GreenDragon37 wrote...

You can't convince some people, even if the writing is on the wall. TIM has some kind of Reaper tech in him. There's a possibility that he is Indoctrinated. People just don't wanna believe it.

The only possibility is the one people are suggesting in these threads, nothing more. I won't deny he may be more vulnerable to indoctrination, but I doubt he's indoctrinated by the beginning of ME3.

Modifié par wr3xl3ss, 10 juin 2011 - 10:02 .