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[Barquiel]

I would like a pure paragon more than a renegade.

[Skirata129]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I kind of hate my paragon Shepard sometimes, she just seems so naive. I can't resist some of the renegade triggers. In films or tv shows I don't like the paragon type hero, I tend to prefer the anti-hero or quite often I end up rooting for the villain and that never ends well.

I agree. the jedi suck, sith rock, and paragon shep is a shortsighted wimp who will doom the galaxy to make himself feel better.

[Sarah_SR2]

If it gives me an edge in a mission (torching the krogan or frying Cathka) then I will take the renegade option but I generally tend to give Shepard my own personality during the game so I end up with loads of paragon points and only a small amount of red. My main concerns during the story is that I gain and maintain the loyalty of Jack/Miranda and Tali/Legion. I want all of my squad to survive into ME3 and it was nice to get the no one left behind achievement too.

[Hallusinaatti]

Pragmatic is my main way of playing, and I believe it's the "normal" way assuming the player decides his/her game actions by his/her own morals. That is because the decisions of Mass Effects range from interrupting with gunfire, to being grumpy and to conducting genocide.

But personally I like Renegade the most. It feels sort of normal to me, since Shepard is a long career soldier, killed personally hordes of people, led people to their deaths, and is alone in an impossible mission with a deadline. I believe that causes a lot of stress and depression in anyone. I know I am not a soldier myself (I served a year as a conscript, but have not seen war) but I can't believe anyone in that situation could care how many pickpocket fingers it takes to find a murderer, or alternatively how many aliens need to die to prevent a war (taking about Genophage here).

My Shepard never stops to help some random Salarian searching for precious data X.

Modifié par Hallusinaatti, 11 juin 2011 - 10:48 .

[CroGamer002]

Skirata129 wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I kind of hate my paragon Shepard sometimes, she just seems so naive. I can't resist some of the renegade triggers. In films or tv shows I don't like the paragon type hero, I tend to prefer the anti-hero or quite often I end up rooting for the villain and that never ends well.

I agree. the jedi suck, sith rock, and paragon shep is a shortsighted wimp who will doom the galaxy to make himself feel better.

What?

Sith suck as well.
I never saw worse military strategist.
Also they get consume by Dark side and stop being even living thing and do evil stuff just for the sake of being evil.

Though Jedi's still suck too.


And Paragon being a wimp and dooming galxy to feel better? I guess you never played Arrival DLC as Paragon.

[phantomdragoness]

No matter how annoying it would be, I'd rather have a Pure Paragon than a Pure Renegade. Renegade just seems to overreact to things, and completely ignore the fact that her crew are people.

Which is why my Sheps are Paragades - stronger in either morality depending on their background and personality. They don't let anyone walk all over them, but they are noble and try to care.

[78stonewobble]

Headbutting a krogan still isn't renegade in my oppinion. You're just fitting in slash communicating on their terms.

[1upD]

On my first character I made whatever decisions seemed best to me, which eventually led to trying to be pure Paragon. And yet by the end of ME2 I had about 25% Renegade.  How did that even happen? 

While from a gameplay standpoint it's much much better to have pure Paragon or pure Renegade, Mass Effect is all about story, so I think it's way more interesting if Shepard has some moral weaknesses and strengths and is a little of both Paragon and Renegade.

[PauseforEffect]

Would be kinda impossible to not have some renegade points if you were trying for a pure playthrough. Personally, I'd take a pure paragon over a pure renegade any day. There might be some annoying moments like the argument with Mordin on the genophage, but having a level of diplomacy in your personality confers several benefits. One of the major ones being that people frequently underestimate someone who sounds naive and submissive.
They tend to miss the pistol you're holding to their spine (looking at you Grunt)

[Markinator_123]

PrimalEden wrote...

Would be kinda impossible to not have some renegade points if you were trying for a pure playthrough. Personally, I'd take a pure paragon over a pure renegade any day. There might be some annoying moments like the argument with Mordin on the genophage, but having a level of diplomacy in your personality confers several benefits. One of the major ones being that people frequently underestimate someone who sounds naive and submissive.
They tend to miss the pistol you're holding to their spine (looking at you Grunt)

Being diplomatic with a merc who tells you that his men have shots lining up on you (Miranda's loyalty) or pointlessly listening to a krogan's speech about how his clan is going to take over the galaxy seems pretty stupid to me.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 11 juin 2011 - 04:02 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Doesn't really matter how annoying the pure paragon is when they always bring the best results... does it?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 11 juin 2011 - 05:26 .

[Ieldra]

Markinator_123 wrote...
From an audience's perspective, would you be able to get behind a pure paragon Shepard and like it?

No.

I could not believe in a universe where doing "the right thing" and being empathic always results in the best outcome. It would be borderline acceptable in a fantasy universe, but not in ME or any other setting with pretensions to realism in the consequences of human actions.

[Ryzaki]

I would rather a pure paragon than a pure renegade. At least with the former I'm not liable to get shot/punched in the face/left to die.

[PauseforEffect]

@Markinator123
At which point, while the merc's distracted by the sound of his own voice from talking to Shepard, Miranda's given the opportunity to shoot his flapping yap off.
As for the Weyrloc speaker going into a lengthy rant, I see no obligation for a paragon to listen to the whole thing once he started threatening Council species. Shepard IS a Spectre after all and thus would be more than justified immolating him once diplomacy clearly isn't going to work.
While I can see how paragon can be annoying at times, the OP is asking for an either/or situation. In an honest opinion, I'll take the boyscout over the whining selfish dialogue that renegade can have.

[Get Magna Carter]

While I find Paragon preferable to Renegade, I avoid the "pure" approach
Shepard is a soldier not a diplomat - So My idealised Shepard is roughly 90% paragon and 10% renegade (or rather 100% paragon and 20% renegade...)

As a main alternative I have a ruthless but righteous renegade- 70% renegade 50%paragon

[JoeLaTurkey]

I'd hate to have pure paragon Shep as a friend, he'd be no fun!

Joe: Hey Shepard they're selling DVDs at Blockbuster for 15.99 but I know a place where we can get them for 6.99. You in?

Shepard: NO! We'll buy the DVD without the bargain. I won't let cheapness compromise who I am!


Joe: Hey Shepard, that mugger took my wallet! Go after him!

Shepard: I can't give chase, he said he'd push over a little girl if I did!


Police Officer: So you have a description of the burglar with footage of him stealing your valuables but you DON'T want to press charges?

Shepard: That's correct

Joe: *facepalms*


Joe: Shepard, that clerk just ripped you off!

Shepard: *looks at clerk* I'm very dissapointed in you

Joe: *punches Shepard in the face*

Modifié par JoeLaTurkey, 11 juin 2011 - 10:07 .

[Markinator_123]

PrimalEden wrote...

@Markinator123
At which point, while the merc's distracted by the sound of his own voice from talking to Shepard, Miranda's given the opportunity to shoot his flapping yap off.
As for the Weyrloc speaker going into a lengthy rant, I see no obligation for a paragon to listen to the whole thing once he started threatening Council species. Shepard IS a Spectre after all and thus would be more than justified immolating him once diplomacy clearly isn't going to work.
While I can see how paragon can be annoying at times, the OP is asking for an either/or situation. In an honest opinion, I'll take the boyscout over the whining selfish dialogue that renegade can have.

Actually, all I'm asking is whether or not you would like a pure paragon Shepard. The topic didn't say ask whether you prefered a pure paragon or a pure renegade. Besides I believe that this particular Shepard with this paragon/renegade outlook is the best qualified to save the galaxy. Here is my main Shepard who started with 190 Paragon bonus and 52 Renegade Bonus

http://www.xfire.com...?view#114174733

Modifié par Markinator_123, 11 juin 2011 - 11:05 .

[Rip504]

Nope. I also enjoy a paragon playthrough while Shepard has a few bad*ss moments. Pushing mercs out of windows & breaking their necks,but also being the nice guy hero.!.

[jbblue05]

Why is Pure Paragon Shepard a marine in the first place?

[TomY90]

too be honest I think it all depends in how the tv show or movie portrays the story.

if it something more of a darker story than the ME series could have more of a paragade shepherd as in a batman style of character.

If it is more clean and tidy story then a true paragon will be fitting for such a situation like a spiderman or superman style of film.

if its all action style probably like the mechanic then a renegade would suit it to get the action at its best.

But me personally I would like a paragon because in my opinion he suits the story more than the paragade, renegon and renegade simply because the story in my opinions lends itself to being the traditional hero not the untraditional badass one

[Moiaussi]

jbblue05 wrote...

Why is Pure Paragon Shepard a marine in the first place?

Because some marines manage to check their targets before pulling the trigger while still accomplishing their missions?

[jbblue05]

Moiaussi wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Why is Pure Paragon Shepard a marine in the first place?

Because some marines manage to check their targets before pulling the trigger while still accomplishing their missions?

Pure Paragon Shepard is more likely to be a diplomat than a marine that is trained to kill a man in hundreds of ways 

[Konfined]

No, I wouldn't.