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[Sheepie Crusher]

I just replayed Feros again and I noticed that the massive skyscrapers are in a surprisingly good shape while on Earth the Reapers were completely destroying everything and then in the Exogeni building the VI said that the Thorian spans across much of the surface of Feros. It just doesn't make sence that such a massive thing could survive the Reaper onslaught along with most of the city


So here's my theory
The Thorian lived under the surface of Feros for millions of years( possibly more ), then the Protheans arrived and built their colony, eventualy it became awre of their presence, it saw them as a threat and started taking over minds in the lower levels, it somehow started growing and spreading across the surface and when it was strong enough, it attaked the upper levels. The Protheans retalieted  but anyone they sent eventualy got indocrinated, an orbital bombardment was not possible, presumably, beacuse it not be able to destroy the Thorian's undergorund part since they don't know how large it is or how deep it stretches. Seeing that they are losing, the Protheans abandoned their colony. and all the damage we have seen was caused rither by the spread of it's nodes or by simple decay. 


According to the VI: the Thorian's cognitive abilities are spread across the planet, and that what ExoGeni found is a key nerve cluster and it's possible there are more of it, which means: It isn't dead and that explains why the Feros colonists started to expieriance the same effects of being under it's control

[Kakistos_]

I never thought that the Thorian was really dead. Either it will regenerate on Feros or Exogeni will have managed to clone it. I look foward to seeing it in ME3.

[Malarkey101]

Regardless of if the Thorian is dead or not I always wanted to revisit Feros. It was one of my favorite places in the first mass effect.

[Medhia Nox]

It depends on whether or not the Thorian was a rhyzomatious (a plant that sends out extensions that become entirely "new" versions of itself).

If it was - there would be no way to destroy it without at least destroying the planet's atmosphere.

It did say it new the Protheans and was around for the arrival of the Reapers I believe.

Seems so strange that we couldn't preserve it. I would have in a heart beat - plants are my thing.

[tobynator89]

My guess is that the thorian is the key against indoctrination somehow

[mopotter]

i always thought there might be more than one. We only saw that one area. I like the idea that something with the Thorian could help against indoctrination.

[Pride Demon]

Some time ago I wrote a theory regarding the Protheans and the Thorian, I won't go into details to avoid derailing the thread, but it was my opinion the reason Feros is still standing is that Reapers destroy planets only to erase traces of their passage (that they inevitably leave when they land to harvest, like on Earth)...

Only, when they arrived to Feros, nothing was left to harvest on the planet, the Thorian having already consumed everyone and having fall back into hybernation (thus appearing as a simple plant), since no one was there they didn't need to land, since they didn't land they had no need to destroy the traces of their passage...

The simply moved on...

As for the Thorian as a whole not being actually dead I agree...
Since the central Neural Node we fight is near the top of a skyscraper it's impossible for it to have been there in the beginning (the Thorian was alreadyon feros well before the Protheans), since to Thorian enslaved the Protheans too that means other Neural Nodes do exist somewhere...

It's quite possible however that the neural nodes have a "control range", sort of like the maximum extesion of roots, so the area around Zhu's Hope is now merely a collection of tendrills sending sensory data somewhere else...

Medhia Nox wrote...

It depends on whether or not the Thorian was a rhyzomatious (a plant that sends out extensions that become entirely "new" versions of itself).

If it was - there would be no way to destroy it without at least destroying the planet's atmosphere.

It did say it new the Protheans and was around for the arrival of the Reapers I believe.

Seems so strange that we couldn't preserve it. I would have in a heart beat - plants are my thing.

I agree... Especially when you think it was a sentient plant, the sole example in the galaxy (everyone else is an animal) as far as we know, the way it thought, its morals everything must have litterally been beyond our comprehension, just too "alien"...
When I look at a tree I can hardly even imagine what it would think if it was sentient, most of our needs and desires are void for a plant anyway, so...

Too bad it was into mind control... :/

[Russalka]

I would like to be fronds with the Thorian.

[Kabanya101]

Who cares if the Thorian is still alive, now I got a flamethrower, so if the plant is alive, I'll burn it to hell.

The whole Thorian bit in ME1 was completely retarded. Since when did plants gain the ability to develop nuerons and thoughts? Plants live and "eat" through photosynthesis, so the need to develop brains and other nueral organs is pointless. So a plant that can think, let alone talk, is impossible. Even in a sci-fi environment, COMPLETELY unrealistic, and will never happen.

[graciegrace]

Kabanya101 wrote...

Who cares if the Thorian is still alive, now I got a flamethrower, so if the plant is alive, I'll burn it to hell.

The whole Thorian bit in ME1 was completely retarded. Since when did plants gain the ability to develop nuerons and thoughts? Plants live and "eat" through photosynthesis, so the need to develop brains and other nueral organs is pointless. So a plant that can think, let alone talk, is impossible. Even in a sci-fi environment, COMPLETELY unrealistic, and will never happen.

It's entirely plausible that evolution could have taken another road on Ferros.  Species evolve based on their enviornment, not all evolution takes place how it does on this planet.  We have no plants like the Thorian because there was never the conditions to produce such a plant.  Maybe it's not plausible on earth, but if you're going to nitpick like that, there shouldn't be other humanoid aliens, because the chances of aliens having physiology even remotely similar to our own are next to zero.

[Parah_Salin]

The reapers also might have more subtle/destructive ways of harvesting a planet that has less resistance. The protheans were a single-species galactic civilization so the idea of a colony that had less emphasis on defense is plausible. It could be a similar situation to the 7 hour war in half-life 2. The forces of earth were defeated in 7 hours when the Combine came. Reapers seam like they'd be able to pull the same thing off.

[Pride Demon]

Kabanya101 wrote...

Who cares if the Thorian is still alive, now I got a flamethrower, so if the plant is alive, I'll burn it to hell.

The whole Thorian bit in ME1 was completely retarded. Since when did plants gain the ability to develop nuerons and thoughts? Plants live and "eat" through photosynthesis, so the need to develop brains and other nueral organs is pointless. So a plant that can think, let alone talk, is impossible. Even in a sci-fi environment, COMPLETELY unrealistic, and will never happen.

Actually plants do have a rudimentary "nervous" response...
They lack a brain and anything even remotely similar to a nervous system, however, they have something similar to "senses" and their cells appear to be capable to interact with each other through bio-chemical electrical impulses: way back in 1992 scientist were ecstatic when they discovered tomato plants, when attacked by caterpillars, emit feeble electrical pulses in their cells that activate their immunitary system...

So basically plant have (very) rudimentary feeling and recognition of threats, this is also how plants have evolved symbiotic relationships with certain insects for pollination, and certain plants evolved harder fruit shells to avoid being eaten...
The fact all these messages are transmitted through normal cells due to biochemical reactions instead of specifically evolved electrically conductive nerves makes all more diffucult and "slow", but that doesn't mean it's not there, if only in tiny amounts...

Besides the Thorian too is sentient, but covers the whole of Feros, it's possible it wasn't in the beginning and became so after he reached a critical mass (like the Geth)..

Finally I doubt Thorian "Nerve" Bundles are actual nerves, that's just a namesake probably to explain their use...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 10 juin 2011 - 08:51 .

[Homebound]

the thorian is dead. i killed it.

[wr3xl3ss]

Hellbound555 wrote...

the thorian is dead. i killed it.

This. Let dead monsters lie... There's so many corners of the Galaxy yet to explore and you're wondering if Creepy Thory is dead or not. Seriously...

[Thompson family]

Cerberus and ExoGeni have a business relationship. It's pointed out on a Feros terminal that Cerberus bought Thorian thralls. Considering how closely guarded a secret the Thorian is, this is quite a transaction.

Sorry if somebody's already pointed that out.

[sterling_archer]

Just spitballing here, but maybe there is a whole race of thorians spread across the galaxy who are the creators of the reapers. This may explain why the thorian survived reaper purges and such. Why they would have created reapers I have no idea, just throwing this out there.

Regardless, I would like to know more about the thorian and I think it would be cool if a seemingly unimportant monster from ME1 turned out to have a significant role in the overall plot.

[Shockwave81]

Russalka wrote...

I would like to be fronds with the Thorian.

Nice one!! 

Not a bad thread either.

[Hyper Cutter]

tobynator89 wrote...

My guess is that the thorian is the key against indoctrination somehow

Well, it is responsible for the only known case of someone being cured from indoctrination.

[FlyingWalrus]

Disregard me. My post was redacted for being a hallucination of tired arguing.

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 11 juin 2011 - 07:30 .

[Leonia]

Hyper Cutter wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

My guess is that the thorian is the key against indoctrination somehow

Well, it is responsible for the only known case of someone being cured from indoctrination.

Indeed. Surely this is an important plot point (though, if I recall, the PS3 interactive comic doesn't mention the events of Feros at all for ME2, so who knows?)

I always did hate being railroaded into killing the Thorian on Feros, wish we could have had the option to save it like the rachni queen. Certainly hope we didn't completely destroy it (unless there is another one out there, some where). It seems like the cloning projects were all failing as well (especially if Shepard interferred).

Modifié par leonia42, 11 juin 2011 - 07:34 .