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[Massadonious1]

Tali was only really a Codex in 1, and Garrus and Wrex were always awesome.

1 out of 3 ain't bad.

[Someone With Mass]

Clonedzero wrote...
yeah, but then you get characters like tali where 90% of her convos are about explaining "im an alien yada yada yada" instead of actual character growth and learning the characters personality.

Better than seeing human women objectify themselves as much as physically possible.

[KotorEffect3]

[quote]IsaacShep wrote...

[quote]Clonedzero wrote...
Can't really say the same about aliens.[/quote]yeah, but then you get characters like tali where 90% of her convos are about explaining "im an alien yada yada yada" instead of actual character growth and learning the characters personality.
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Good point. Many aliens in ME1 & 2 felt like walking Codex entries for the respective races instead of actual independent characters.

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Garrus didn't, in fact I would have preferred to hear him talk about being Turian a little bit more.  Maybe we could have heard the Turian perspective on the first contact war from him.

[Medhia Nox]

I'd prefer all the squad mates to be human - aliens (and fantasy races) are just gimmicks.

I enjoy Warhammer 40k's concept that aliens simply can't be easily understood (of course, they take extreme xenophobia, but that conclusion isn't the only one)

Instead - we get the "lithe, beautiful race" (elves... asari) - and the warlike race (qunari and krogan) - and the mercantile race (dwarves - volus).

Why are these races one trick ponies - but the humans are "so diverse and special!"

[Medhia Nox]

@SwobyJ - so what's the point of them being alien then?

If it's suggested that a race is "primarily like this" - then all we get are characters who are nothing like their race - I see no point in them being "alien". It's just a human with a beak - or some scales.

((I don't actually care if we have aliens - but that's not a point of interest for me. Who they are as a character is more interesting - the fact that the Quarians are the equivalent of "Hebrews in Space" is interesting - the fact that they look like "whatever" isn't (to me) ))

It's just an opinion SwobyJ - you're free to comment (this IS the internet) but I'm not really going to defend too much.

[KotorEffect3]

SwobyJ wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

I'd prefer all the squad mates to be human - aliens (and fantasy races) are just gimmicks.

I enjoy Warhammer 40k's concept that aliens simply can't be easily understood (of course, they take extreme xenophobia, but that conclusion isn't the only one)

Instead - we get the "lithe, beautiful race" (elves... asari) - and the warlike race (qunari and krogan) - and the mercantile race (dwarves - volus).

Why are these races one trick ponies - but the humans are "so diverse and special!"

You don't really get that many of your squadmates are actually quite unique for their species. Garrus cares little for Turian uniformity, Tali extends her insularly-racial nature in order to explore the galaxy with you, Wrex is one of the VERY FEW krogan that still see a future in the krogan, Legion is a one-of-a-kind geth that is starting on the journey of individualization, and we see many Asari that are actually rude, crude, and murderous.

Yeah we do see the asari at their worst in ME 2 but part of that is because we are on Ilium and as Vasir put it "Illium is just Omega with expensive shoes"  I imagine most Asari are somewhere in the middle between what we see on Illium and the way Liara describes them in ME 1.

[Halfdan The Menace]

I hope the lead female human is a Russian!!

[Ron Stoppable]

I always thought Shepard needed a "Falco" - an ego-driven, cocky, douchebaggish companion that takes every action of Shep's as some form of competition because deep down he's super jealous of him. That'd be a great character to play off of. Like Val Kilmer's character in Top Gun.

[Vamp44]

wr3xl3ss wrote...

NEED. MORE. HUMANS.

My renegade Shepard needs to remember constantly for who he is fighting for; He's prejudiced towards other species.

That. That right there.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Ron Stoppable wrote...

I always thought Shepard needed a "Falco" - an ego-driven, cocky, douchebaggish companion that takes every action of Shep's as some form of competition because deep down he's super jealous of him. That'd be a great character to play off of. Like Val Kilmer's character in Top Gun.

Back before we heard about the VS I was hoping they'd add a new human Spectre like that, but I doubt the VS will act that way.

[ToGVita]

IsaacShep wrote...

Good point. Many aliens in ME1 & 2 felt like walking Codex entries for the respective races instead of actual independent characters.

This.  I don't care whether the new characters are human or alien, so long as they don't get weighed down with endless dialogue about their species.   Showing us the different planets/species/cultures is a much better way to give us a taste of the variety in the ME universe, and allows the squadmates to have personalities!

I also suspect most of the temporary squadmates will be alien (and likely essential for their mission), so having more humans in the permanent squad wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

[Ianamus]

Mass Effect Games seem to have some 'One Squad Member per specis only' rule per game, that applies to everone except humans. I'm hoping that even though Garrus and Tali are back we'll finally see some new Quarian/Turian Squad Members.

[ThatDancingTurian]

ToGVita wrote...

I also suspect most of the temporary squadmates will be alien (and likely essential for their mission), so having more humans in the permanent squad wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

Doesn't that just further implicate that humans are the most important and aliens are just quirky side characters and gimmicks, though?

Personally, I wish we'd had a truly diverse crew on the Normandy, just once. There were no aliens anywhere outside of your squad.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 11 juin 2011 - 12:04 .

[Someone With Mass]

EJ107 wrote...

Mass Effect Games seem to have some 'One Squad Member per specis only' rule per game, that applies to everone except humans. I'm hoping that even though Garrus and Tali are back we'll finally see some new Quarian/Turian Squad Members.

I'd like a salarian to take Mordin's place.

[TheBlackBaron]

Ryzaki wrote...

I'm sick of aliens. I'd like more human squaddies. (That aren't DLC). And some more non-snooze worthy human males would be nice.  

Damned straight. 

[KainrycKarr]

Tali was the only "walking codex" for her species.

How often did Garrus talk about his species and culture? And Wrex? And Grunt? and Mordin? Liara(though in ME1 she did have a fair bit to say about Asari)?

That's two out of six aliens that did in fact act as codex's, and even there it's debatable except for Tali in ME1. You could *maybe* count Wrex too, if you consider his background convos and his opinions regarding his people and where they are going as codex entries. I consider them more as opinions, which generally come from one's personality.

So that whole "oh, aliens are only codex's for their species" thing? Bull.

[ThatDancingTurian]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Tali was the only "walking codex" for her species.

How often did Garrus talk about his species and culture? And Wrex? And Grunt? and Mordin? Liara(though in ME1 she did have a fair bit to say about Asari)?

That's two out of six aliens that did in fact act as codex's, and even there it's debatable except for Tali in ME1. You could *maybe* count Wrex too, if you consider his background convos and his opinions regarding his people and where they are going as codex entries. I consider them more as opinions, which generally come from one's personality.

So that whole "oh, aliens are only codex's for their species" thing? Bull.

Liara in ME1 was a total walking codex. Thane was too. I get the point and I agree that was annoying, but it wasn't every alien all the time. And it's not like the humans didn't spout exposition too (Kaidan and biotics comes to mind).

[KainrycKarr]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Tali was the only "walking codex" for her species.

How often did Garrus talk about his species and culture? And Wrex? And Grunt? and Mordin? Liara(though in ME1 she did have a fair bit to say about Asari)?

That's two out of six aliens that did in fact act as codex's, and even there it's debatable except for Tali in ME1. You could *maybe* count Wrex too, if you consider his background convos and his opinions regarding his people and where they are going as codex entries. I consider them more as opinions, which generally come from one's personality.

So that whole "oh, aliens are only codex's for their species" thing? Bull.

Liara in ME1 was a total walking codex. Thane was too. I get the point and I agree that was annoying, but it wasn't every alien all the time. And it's not like the humans didn't spout exposition too (Kaidan and biotics comes to mind).

So that's about 3/7. Not even half. Still bull.

[Someone With Mass]

I don't think it hurts that much if the alien squadmate is a "walking codex".

BioWare have shown that they can mix both interesting characters and information in a pretty good way, so I don't think much is lost on that front.

[Loqutis1525]

 I know we have Garrus and hes my boy, but another turian a femal maybe would be kinda cool, since the only real turian we talk alot to and about is Garrus.