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[Rekkampum]

D.Kain wrote...

I will stay by Morinth's side and protect her if other asari will want to kill her again. I actually would tell my team about Morinth if I had a chance, I don't see a problem of bringing anybody I want aboard MY ship, for MY mission. I would be like: Hey everybody meet Morinth. Anybody who doesn't like her can leave my team.

I wonder how would Liara react to an ally like Morinth in ME3.

They'd make for an interesting dynamic in conversations.

[silentassassin264]

I would like to defend my choice to keep Morinth (as well as you know, keep Morinth on the squad) as well. I doubt too many people would object. I broke protocol activating Grunt, Legion, and had another psycho biotic hiding in engineering. They know better than to mess with Shepard.

[Kakistos_]

silentassassin264 wrote...

I would like to defend my choice to keep Morinth (as well as you know, keep Morinth on the squad) as well. I doubt too many people would object. I broke protocol activating Grunt, Legion, and had another psycho biotic hiding in engineering. They know better than to mess with Shepard.

I think the crew would object. Shepard has done questionable things but choosing Morinth over Samara is an outright betrayal of a squad member and for what? There is no way they would trust Shepard. And Shepard may be a former SPECTRE but he/she isn't all dat, several members of the crew could take him/her one on one.

[Kakistos_]

Rekkampum wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I will stay by Morinth's side and protect her if other asari will want to kill her again. I actually would tell my team about Morinth if I had a chance, I don't see a problem of bringing anybody I want aboard MY ship, for MY mission. I would be like: Hey everybody meet Morinth. Anybody who doesn't like her can leave my team.

I wonder how would Liara react to an ally like Morinth in ME3.

They'd make for an interesting dynamic in conversations.

I would actually love to hear ANY conversation that Morinth has with anyone. I expect to hear her trying to seduce anything with a brain. I think that Liara would be less concerned with Morinth's condition in light of how she actually came to be on the team.

[kramerm79]

Theoretically, you would have problems getting an active geth into the migrant fleet and then getting your friend off a treason charge with that same geth in the courtroom. For further evidence, I direct you to this:

[wetnasty]

Shep didn't kill Samara though, Morinth did. Shepard simply pulled back Samara's arm, throwing off her biotics. They have no way of proving that Shepard even knew that Morinth wasn't Samara because everywhere that could be recorded/video taped, Morinth was posing as Samara, right down to the voice.

[Gabey5]

i may have posted this already but no one cares... sentient star ships are invading the galaxy dude

[Kakistos_]

Gabey5 wrote...

i may have posted this already but no one cares... sentient star ships are invading the galaxy dude

I know it is not the priority but I do think it should affect the game. Shepard betrayed and participated in the murder of a Squadmate and major Asari authority figure. Some members of the team already know about it. WHEN the rest find out do you think they will trust or treat Shepard the same? Some are not the most loyal and or may feel that their talents are better utilized in a setting where they don't have to worry about a knife in the back. The Asari republic will find out about this eventually. They may not do anything about it with the Reapers at the door but assuming the galaxy remains relativly intact after the conflict, Shepard is a dead man/woman.

[Hyperion II]

Bioware will punish players for stupid choices.
Betraying a squad member who have already chosen to help you for the sake of a convicted killer
isn't a question of Paragon or Renegade. it's a question of smart or stupid.

This choice will back-fire.
The asari will hate you for killing a justicar and letting an ardat-yakshi get away.
If you chose samara, she'll probably help you rally the asari to your cause.

[Leonia]

I'm not sure how the asari will know you killed a justicar and replaced her with an ardat-yakshi that looks, sounds, and acts just like her mother for all intents and purposes.

And why can't Liara be useful in rallying the asari to Shepard's cause?

[Hyperion II]

leonia42 wrote...

I'm not sure how the asari will know you killed a justicar and replaced her with an ardat-yakshi that looks, sounds, and acts just like her mother for all intents and purposes.

And why can't Liara be useful in rallying the asari to Shepard's cause?

1) The body

2) Justicars are well known and respected among the asari. Liara is now the shadow broker, and as such will have ALOT of useful info, but unlike samara, she is not a key figure among the asari and the fact that she is very young pureblood dosn't help much.
Don't get me wrong. Liara is very useful and i'm happy she is on my side, but I don't think she'll help me the same way Samara will.

[Medhia Nox]

@Gabey5 - which is actually the least interesting aspect of the game to be honest.

And I hope Morinth kills the LI of every Shepard that saved "poor, innocent" Morinth.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 02 septembre 2011 - 01:20 .

[Kakistos_]

Hyperion II wrote...

Bioware will punish players for stupid choices.
Betraying a squad member who have already chosen to help you for the sake of a convicted killer
isn't a question of Paragon or Renegade. it's a question of smart or stupid.

This choice will back-fire.
The asari will hate you for killing a justicar and letting an ardat-yakshi get away.
If you chose samara, she'll probably help you rally the asari to your cause.

I completely agree. Just as murdering the Rachni Queen, in retrospect, is a stupid idea considering what a powerful ally she will become.

[Kakistos_]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Gabey5 - which is actually the least interesting aspect of the game to be honest.

And I hope Morinth kills the LI of every Shepard that saved "poor, innocent" Morinth.

Truly. Morinth is clearly dangerous to everyone around her and this should be made clear to Shepard and the unfortunate victim. Should she stay with the team she should provide a constant threat to Shepard and everyone else on the Normandy. Shepard should have to deal with her trying to seduce him/her or anyone else.

[Eclipse_9990]

Skirata129 wrote...

I don't believe she's evil. she's just a perfectly evolved predator aside from the detail that she can't reproduce. And yeah, that threat Samara made threw me off. If anything I did violated her code, she'd have to kill me after the mission? Well guess who's getting left on the collector base when the bombs go off...

What Samara said really bothered you that much? To the point that you would let her get killed? Man.. I just don't understand. 

Ontopic: It would be very interesting if the players who chose Morinth would have to deal with problems like that. Also can someone tell me why they chose Morinth, and why they think/thought that was a good idea? I've never understood the logic behind letting an unpredictable sex/murder maniac(that happens to kill via sex) on your ship beyond "I just wanted to see what happened". I just can't see how that would be a good idea under any circumstance.

Though I'm sure someone will give me a reason. 

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Gabey5 - which is actually the least interesting aspect of the game to be honest. 

And I hope Morinth kills the LI of every Shepard that saved "poor, innocent" Morinth.

The forum reaction to this would be amazing. I would be in the corner shaking my head, and be like "Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.".  That's all. I would go into every Morinth thread, and just post "Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.". Like the judgmental **** I am. 

silentassassin264 wrote...

I thought I was the only one who wished they had done this.  I would have much preferred to take Morinth to be arrested than kill her.  The whole killing her for a genetic defect kind of rubs even my paragon Sheps the wrong way.  

I don't see why. Ardat-Yakshi don't have to be killed, they have the option of living a life of seclusion, and before someone says "They should let them be free, and live their life" that would have to be one of the dumbest, narrowminded, and foolish ideas I would have ever heard. It's a question of whether a single Ardat-Yakshi's life is worth more than the lives of others. That's all there is to it. An Ardat-Yakshi will kill, and keep on killing. It's not a question of "if", but "when". They just need to **** someone over(literally, and figuratively) once for the yakshi to become a huge ****ing problem. 

Ardat-Yakshi are a risk to everyone. I feel the Asari are actually being too kind by letting the Ardat-Yakshi have the option to live in the first place. I say kill them, and be done with it.

I'm all for empathy, and understanding, but not when that empathy puts others at risk. Sometimes you need to be ruthless, and uncaring for the sake of other beings. 

Xeranx wrote...

Legion_Geth wrote...

Who cares about Morinth.

*raises hand*

You care about a muderous sociopath that doesn't give two ****s about anyone but herself? Yeah thats.. Incredibly ****ing stupid. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:00 .

[AgentMrOrange]

  What if your Shepard
doesn’t have an LI?

Killing someone because of a genetic defect is just wrong. It
like discovering the genetic code for killer in humanity and killing every child
born with that code regardless of any future crime they may or may not commit. I
can’t blame her for running her choices were a slow death or quick executions
remember the defect doesn’t manifest until maturity so they got to see and experience
the world. as for choosing her over samara simply put curiosity. I want to see
what bioware does with her. The only info we get about her is from her bias mom
hardly a reliable source.

Sorry for the atrocious grammar and punctuation   

[Eclipse_9990]

AgentMrOrange wrote...

  What if your Shepard
doesn’t have an LI?

(1)Killing someone because of a genetic defect is just wrong. 

(2)It like discovering the genetic code for killer in humanity and killing every child
born with that code regardless of any future crime they may or may not commit.

(3)I can’t blame her for running her choices were a slow death or quick executions
remember the defect doesn’t manifest until maturity so they got to see and experience
the world.

(4)as for choosing her over samara simply put curiosity.

(5)The only info we get about her is from her bias mom
hardly a reliable source.

Sorry for the atrocious grammar and punctuation   

Bold 1: It's not wrong if said genetic defect inspires said person to be a serial killer. You may believe its wrong but its not. Unless you believe that one persons life is worth more than the others he/she has killed. 

Bold 2: Every human being has the potential to kill. If you mean finding out which child would grow up to be a serial killer/psychopath/sociopath. Then yes killing them is fine. Who says living is a right? 

Bold 3: I can blame her.  I can blame her for going out, and murdering innocent people just to sate her selfish, and petty lust. Its like saying I can't blame a person who gets off on cutting peoples heads off, just because its his fetish, and he can't help it. I can blame them, and I can judge them.

Bold 4: Curiosity is the worst excuse I've ever heard. Her being curious doesn't excuse her. 

Bold: Biased? All Asari know about Ardat-Yakshi, and they all know that they're nothing but monsters. If you don't believe Samara then read the official codex on them, or read this. 

[AgentMrOrange]

 1 everyone guilty and everything kills and determining the
value of someone life is philosophical and left up to the individual

2 taking action before all data is collected is foolish and usually
make the situation worse. Just because they have the potential to kill doesn’t
mean they will. Everyone has the right to try to live a good life

3 morinth is still a mystery very little is known about her
past so we don’t know how many victim were innocent and remember it an
addictive condition. it like having a cocaine addict in a room full of cocaine

4 grunt and legion

5 codex and the game contradict each other more than once

@kakistos I would love a chance to fight a justicar

 Sorry for the brutal grammar
and punctuation  

[Eclipse_9990]

AgentMrOrange wrote...

 1 everyone guilty and everything kills and determining the
value of someone life is philosophical and left up to the individual

2 taking action before all data is collected is foolish and usually
make the situation worse. Just because they have the potential to kill doesn’t
mean they will. Everyone has the right to try to live a good life

3 morinth is still a mystery very little is known about her
past so we don’t know how many victim were innocent and remember it an
addictive condition. it like having a cocaine addict in a room full of cocaine

4 grunt and legion

5 codex and the game contradict each other more than once

 

1. The value of someones life is not left to the individual its left to the people around the individual. If we lived in the wild west, and I killed some bandit that was making trouble; then odds are I would be praised, and have gotten away with it.

If I had killed an innocent child I would be lynched so fast that I can't even think up a suitable analogy of how fast I would be lynched.

2. "Everyone has the right to try to live a good life". Not if "living a good life" means taking the life of others for pleasure. As long as there are other living creatures in existance an individual can lose their right to life. No exceptions. 

3. So what if she's addicted to it? Thats more of an insentive to put her down. Just because she can't help what she does doesn't mean she should be allowed to keep doing it, and who cares whether the majority of her victims were "innocent" or "guilty" by some arbitrary standard. The only points that matter is that she's addicted to killing, she has stated numerous times that she enjoys killing, she is clearly unrepentent, and has honed her skills in finding victims to a razors edge.

She's diseased. When a dog gets rabies its put down, so it cannot hurt/infect others with its sickeness. The same principles apply the only difference is that Morinth doesn't infect her victims she kills them outright. 

4. "Grunt, and Legion" what about them? Please elaborate. 

5. If you won't believe the codex then listen to what the other Asari mention about Ardat-Yakshi. Its not good, even Aria refered to Morinth as a "filthy creature". Out of curiosity what source of information would you trust? From Morinth? Because I'll assure you that she's very much biased as well. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:15 .

[AgentMrOrange]

 1 one individual whether part of a group or not is still and
individual and that individual is placing a value on the other whether the
value is equal to a fly , dog or a blade of grass. Most serial killer don’t see
their victims as human

2 you misinterpret living a “good life” it more in line with
trying live without some trying to kill you because a rare genetic defect    

3 if you were being hunted by some craze person that wanted
to kill you and you had a way to become strong enough to evade them and survive
wouldn’t you use that power Even if that power was highly addictive?

4 the only reason to activate grunt and legion is curiosity each
is presumed dangerous

5 I would like the dev team to flesh morinth out more so I may
form my own opinion  

Sorry for the terrible grammar and punctuation 

[C9316]

Maybe the devs didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to save Morinth.

[AgentMrOrange]

Not stupidity …. Curiosity

[C9316]

This takes the term "Curiosity killed the cat" to a whole new meaning...

[AgentMrOrange]

You can be curious and still have safety precaution.

[Eclipse_9990]

AgentMrOrange wrote...

 1 one individual whether part of a group or not is still and
individual and that individual is placing a value on the other whether the
value is equal to a fly , dog or a blade of grass. Most serial killer don’t see
their victims as human

2 you misinterpret living a “good life” it more in line with
trying live without some trying to kill you because a rare genetic defect    

3 if you were being hunted by some craze person that wanted
to kill you and you had a way to become strong enough to evade them and survive
wouldn’t you use that power Even if that power was highly addictive?

4 the only reason to activate grunt and legion is curiosity each
is presumed dangerous

5 I would like the dev team to flesh morinth out more so I may
form my own opinion  

Sorry for the terrible grammar and punctuation 

1. "Most serial killer don’t see their victims as human", and Morinth is a serial killer why should I see her as anything more than an animal that needs to be put down? 

2. An Ardat-Yakshi way of "trying to live" involves taking the lives of others. 

3. Even if she wasn't being hunted she still would have killed a significant amount of people. That fact that she was being chased probably prevented even more people from dieing. Also the "If I was her" argument doesn't work on me. Why?

Because I'm not her. 

4. The situation with Grunt, and Legion is not comparable. Grunt, and Legion were a necessary, and controllable risk .Morinth is unpredictable, and bloodthirsty, and can do nothing, but bring harm to the people around her. 

AgentMrOrange wrote...

Not stupidity …. Curiosity

Curiosity, and stupidity have been allies on more than one occasion. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 29 décembre 2011 - 02:02 .