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Medhia Nox wrote...



DID you kill her instead of Morinth? Seems she made a threat - but you're the one who acted upon it. What does that make you?

a smart person

[addicted2damassE]

That is an interesting point you bring up. I don't think lying to the crew on the brink of ultimate distruction would or could be an option. Lying will kill the loyalty of most if not all your crew from a realistic stand-point. What if Morinth does go after your crew members, Samura did say that you will regret your decision. I want Morinth on my team because she is more interesting than her mom. Blah. But if she's going to compermise the mission, jepordize Shep's integrity, and so on...Then is having her even worth it?
Back to the original "question" Morinth can't control her insatiable urge to kill, then add Liara to the mix who will be able to tell what she is off the bat, My guess is that Shepard should tell his shipmates the truth in the beginning (after the suicide mission). After all, he/she is commander, and his/her decisions are to be respected no matter what, right?
And if Morinth gets too out of control, the option to put her down should come into play. [come into play...that is a joke!]

[Annihilator27]

Then Jacob will have to eliminate Moronith.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

For the good of the galaxy , you should been able to strand  Morinth a planet without any intelligent life were she can no longer do any harm to anyone.What if by ME3 they found away to cure Morinth condition which might stabilize her as a person , does she finally wake up and try to redeem herself.

But lucky for me I didn't feel like harboring a serial killer or letting one escape on my watch , so I put Morinth out of her misery for the greater good of the galaxy.I still think their should have been a way to save Samara and jail Morinth.(The batman in me)

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 13 janvier 2012 - 02:40 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

annihilator27 wrote...

Then Jacob will have to eliminate Moronith.

Well I'd like to see how he deals with Kasumi , I mean one minute she's by you and the next minute she's disappeared somewhere.

[Medhia Nox]

@Jreezy: What do you think Asari vagina's are for? That's how... seriously, get with the LORE!

[silentassassin264]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Oh wow, someone opposes the moral view of the main character...

They MUST be ignorant, short sighted, hypocritical, and evil themselves...

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@silenassassin264 - you do realize you're taking a moral stand on a programming issue right? She didn't decide she had to fight you because you killed robots... she decided she had to kill you because you achieved some arbitrary number of Renegade points.

And you knew Nihilus for about ten minutes...

Let me ask, how many Eclipse thugs did all of our Shepard's kill? Funny how you back up your moral outrage with one example (or even a hundred) - when you play a video game based on wholesale slaughter (and most video games are - but nearly none of them ever discuss their own inherent inconsistency)

You're pissed she said she "would" kill you - and she's an evil, "messed up" , hyprocrite.

DID you kill her instead of Morinth? Seems she made a threat - but you're the one who acted upon it. What does that make you?

Apparently you are the one with the inconsistency.  I never said anything was wrong with what Samara did with the Eclipse merc.  If you are a law enforcer (Justicar, Spectre...doesn't matter)  you are probably going to have to kill hostile law breakers.  The issue here is that Samara does exactly what you do and finds some arbitrary reason to disagree with and decides to kill you for it.  She explains her insanity when you talk to her about the reason she doesn't ask questions.  If a man is a loving father and husband, does she want to know that if she has to kill for "X"?  The problem is she applies that really freaking broadly.  She applies that to Shepard who even the people who disagreed with me had to admit is still a hero and is always a hero regardless (largely because Bioware doesn't let you do villainous actions at all).   

And as for Nihlus, he was a Spectre.  He was another law enforcer who was chosen for that job because he was hero.  They do even mention Nihlus' backstory more in the books or comics (it is on the ME wiki).  All the spectres you meet have had saving the most people as their objectives.  Even Tela Vasir and Saren were trying to be heroic.  Tela Vasir's little moment was because she felt the need to protect the Shadowbroker so she could keep on saving people.  Saren because he lost all hope and was trying to wave the white flag and pray the Reapers would accept his surrender and spare all the spacefaring races the fate of the Protheans...and he got indoctrinated.  If you are honestly trying to use not knowing Nihlus for long as your reason Samara would not kill someone who is heroic when Samara outright speaks contrary to your position....well you get the point.

And as someone else for your last insane point, it makes me smart.  She finds the need to administer her own brand of justice accountable only to herself and feels the compulsion to off others who act just like she does.  If you let someone who promises to kill you because they are a massive hypocrite go like that, you are insane.  Shepard is infinitely more important than Samara.  Samara pretty much was traveling around hunting Morinth and killing anyone who stood in her way.  Shepard is fighting to save the galaxy from extinction.  Far more lives are at stake than a several more Nefs if that crazy Asari is allowed to live and stab (shoot) Shepard in the back .

[Medhia Nox]

So you sided with a serial killer/space vampire - I get it, you're edgy.

[implodinggoat]

Siding with Morinth is the most morally indefensible and downright stupid thing Shepard can do in either Mass Effect.

Honestly I don't think it should have been an option in ME2. I'm all for giving the player freedom to choose their own destiny; but saving Morinth is out of character for even the most ruthless Renegade Shepard.

Morinth is a compulsive serial killer who moments ago was trying to kill you and is now fighting for her life and she tells you that she'll swear loyalty to you if you kill Samara who is already duty bound to follow you is likewise a powerful biotic and has the added upside of not being a compulsive serial killer.

In that situation why would you possibly trust Morinth and for that matter what would you possibly have to gain from trusting her? Its just bat**** crazy.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 13 janvier 2012 - 02:44 .

[Medhia Nox]

Because she's an amoral "free spirit" Implodinggoat, where's your hipster soul? - you're just judgmental of serial killers and sexual predators. You should be more open minded about these things. Samara isn't open minded about these things... and that makes her evil - you don't want to be evil like Samara do you?

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 13 janvier 2012 - 02:48 .

[Arkitekt]

Everytime I read the title of this thread, I see "The trouble with Tribbles" before acknowledging "Morinth" in my head.

[implodinggoat]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Because she's an amoral "free spirit" Implodinggoat, where's your hipster soul? - you're just judgmental of serial killers and sexual predators. You should be more open minded about these things. Samara isn't open minded about these things... and that makes her evil - you don't want to be evil like Samara do you?

Seriously I just don't get any of the pro Morinth thinking.

I mean you can pity her for having a compulsion to kill which she can't control, just like Samara did.  But; that doesn't change the fact that she's basically a rabid animal.   Even if you're playing Renegade and don't trust Samara you can't honestly think that inviting a serial killer aboard your ship is the safe option.  

And for that matter I can't understand why anyone would think that she'd be true to her word and follow you rather than just kill your ass once you help her dispose of Samara.  The fact that Morinth stays true to her word was really bad writing in my opinion, I mean if she is this free spirit then she's not going to let some promise to Shepard stand in the way of her freedom and she's going to take the oppurtunity in front of her to eliminate a weakened and unarmed Shepard.

In summary Morinth = Old Yeller.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 13 janvier 2012 - 03:00 .

[Medhia Nox]

@Implodinggoat: They had to make Morinth stay with Shepard and be loyal... otherwise these boards would be filled with more "unfairness" complaints about how Paragons always get the good stuff and why should Renegades be punished for siding with a serial killer/sexual predator?

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 13 janvier 2012 - 03:33 .

[AgitatedLemon]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Except you are making up straw man arguments to make an inane point. Your "you want it dead just because you can kill it" is something you made up and has nothing to do anything at all. First of all, not all renegades are the same and can have varying motives for their actions. Second of all, not everyone who kills the Rachni Queen has to even be a renegade.

Second of all you are leaving out a very VERY big caveat. The rachni Queen on Noveria is a clone with all the memories and experiences, thus making it a reincarnation, of an omnicidal murderous war queen. Your point that it can talk or has intelligence is moronic. Morinth can talk and is quite intelligent and you were just crucifying her. Intelligence =/= good.

Thirdly, the problem in Binary Helix's labs has nothing to do with the fact that you are talking to an omnicidal war criminal. The crazed children were all Saren's doing but it is not about their crimes, it is about hers.

Fourth, who cares about her defense about trying to take over the galaxy? If you have a murderer who is trying desperately to escape, of course they are going to try and deflect the blame to seem innocent. You have no proof about the rachni being indoctrinated in the Rachni Wars other than the word of the murderer trying to escape. If that convinces you then you are incredibly naive and gullible. There is literally nothing stopping the Rachni queen from pleading innocence for you to pick the paragon option and then casting stasis on your whole party and impaling you all giving you a nonstandard game over like having sex with Morinth as she begins to build her army of vengeance on the galaxy. The only reason the paragon option is the "right" option is because you have metagamed and know in ME2 that it all turns out gravy for paragons.

The practical option is to kill the queen because you put a whole lot on faith that the reincarnation of a murderous war queen is just going to keep her word and stay peaceful. Sure you could kill her because you are a violent sociopath but don't make up stuff like you have to have bloodlust to kill her when the Turian councilor's rebuke if you spare her has merit even if he is a jerk. If you let her go and she doesn't keep her word, with the Krogan sterilized (and unlikely to help the council again anyway) you have doomed the entire galaxy.

Part of me wants to insult your intelligence, but part of me wants to just call this a troll attempt.

[implodinggoat]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Implodinggoat: They had to make Morinth stay with Shepard and be loyal... otherwise these boards would be filled with more "unfairness" complaints about how Paragons always get the good stuff and why should Renegades be punished for siding with a serial killer/sexual predator?

I get why they did it;  but like I said its bad writing.

For it to be reasonable Renegade Shepard would have to have some means of knowing he could keep her under control (remote control explosive subdermal implant, etc.).

In any case siding with the serial killer doesn't fit the concept of a Renegade we were introduced to in ME1.   ME1 Renegades weren't evil, they were just ruthless.   Saving Morinth is just evil and stupid.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 13 janvier 2012 - 03:41 .

[siarheicka]

I just sided with her cause Samara didn't want to do it with my Shep...

Seriously, though, the crew will never find out - because Samara / Morinth is not a part of the permanent ME3 crew, so they won't interact with her.

[AgentMrOrange]

Morinth isn’t a badly written character. She is in fact a well written character she never breaks character she is always the sensual serial killer still trying to seduce shep and kill him/her which is why she stay on the Normandy and why she never goes after the crew she still hunting shep

[Izhalezan]

jreezy wrote...

addicted2damassE wrote...
Back to the original "question" Morinth can't control her insatiable urge to kill, then add Liara to the mix who will be able to tell what she is off the bat

And you figure she'd be able to tell what Morinth is because...?

Her intuitive nature and knowledge as SB probably does it, I dunno, I have the feeling she'll know simply because, I feel there will definitely be at least a few characters who know simply because.

Modifié par Izhalezan, 13 janvier 2012 - 05:57 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Same here , I mean Morinth like a cat that sees everyone as a mouse.The cat may not kill the mouse immediately (preferring to play with it or going along with the program for a little while), but eventually it's true nature will eventually take over and that's it for the mouse(Shepard , Crew , and other people).

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 13 janvier 2012 - 07:30 .

[silentassassin264]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Except you are making up straw man arguments to make an inane point. Your "you want it dead just because you can kill it" is something you made up and has nothing to do anything at all. First of all, not all renegades are the same and can have varying motives for their actions. Second of all, not everyone who kills the Rachni Queen has to even be a renegade.

Second of all you are leaving out a very VERY big caveat. The rachni Queen on Noveria is a clone with all the memories and experiences, thus making it a reincarnation, of an omnicidal murderous war queen. Your point that it can talk or has intelligence is moronic. Morinth can talk and is quite intelligent and you were just crucifying her. Intelligence =/= good.

Thirdly, the problem in Binary Helix's labs has nothing to do with the fact that you are talking to an omnicidal war criminal. The crazed children were all Saren's doing but it is not about their crimes, it is about hers.

Fourth, who cares about her defense about trying to take over the galaxy? If you have a murderer who is trying desperately to escape, of course they are going to try and deflect the blame to seem innocent. You have no proof about the rachni being indoctrinated in the Rachni Wars other than the word of the murderer trying to escape. If that convinces you then you are incredibly naive and gullible. There is literally nothing stopping the Rachni queen from pleading innocence for you to pick the paragon option and then casting stasis on your whole party and impaling you all giving you a nonstandard game over like having sex with Morinth as she begins to build her army of vengeance on the galaxy. The only reason the paragon option is the "right" option is because you have metagamed and know in ME2 that it all turns out gravy for paragons.

The practical option is to kill the queen because you put a whole lot on faith that the reincarnation of a murderous war queen is just going to keep her word and stay peaceful. Sure you could kill her because you are a violent sociopath but don't make up stuff like you have to have bloodlust to kill her when the Turian councilor's rebuke if you spare her has merit even if he is a jerk. If you let her go and she doesn't keep her word, with the Krogan sterilized (and unlikely to help the council again anyway) you have doomed the entire galaxy.

Part of me wants to insult your intelligence, but part of me wants to just call this a troll attempt.

And neither part can think of a decent response but I suspected as much.

[implodinggoat]

silentassassin264 wrote...

And neither part can think of a decent response but I suspected as much.

The difference is that killing Morinth doesn't entail the extinction of a sentient species, killing the Rachni Queen does.

[AgentMrOrange]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Same here , I mean Morinth like a cat that sees everyone as a mouse.The cat may not kill the mouse immediately (preferring to play with it or going along with the program for a little while), but eventually it's true nature will eventually take over and that's it for the mouse(Shepard , Crew , and other people).

Which is one of the reasons why I like her. As little as we are
shown of her she has more personality then other characters that you get at the
beginning of the game. She never feels like she is submissive to Shepard, unlike
the rest of the cast who feel like drones just sitting in their area waiting to
talk to shep or just collecting dust. She feels more like the characters from
DAO each had their own reasons to accompany the warden. Sten to answer a question
zevran protection from the crows leliana believed the maker wanted her to help
the warden end the blight. You could even compare it to ME1 cast where the
character felt like they belong and each had their own unique personality that was independent of shep. The analogy
that morinth is like a cat fit very well after all cats look down on you, everyone else (dogs) look up to Shepard

Morinth spent years being discreet are there any SB files on
her that liara could read?