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[Medhia Nox]

@AngelicMachinery - we're told Samara will kill any criminal at the slightest offense. We're told a lot of things about Justicars by fearful asari who have probably never seen one. Samara says there's very few of them remaining. Legends grow...

And if she were so incapable of restraining herself from smiting evil - she wouldn't have been able to not destroy all of Omega. This notion that she's completely unable to not smite the wicked simply isn't shown in the game at all.

I took it for what I believe it was... a boogey man story told to bad little asari girls to keep them in line.

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Plus... little girl eating space vampires are so passe.

[Medhia Nox]

Well - at least she'll go crazy and slaughter scummy people.

Not little artist girls right after she convinces the little artist girl she's in love with her.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Well - at least she'll go crazy and slaughter scummy people.

Not little artist girls right after she convinces the little artist girl she's in love with her.

So according to Paragons, mass murder = a-okay, as long as it's jaywalkers and not little artist girls.

[AtreiyaN7]

D.Kain wrote...

But if Shepard could sacrifice so many batarians he can sacrifise a few more, those that Morinth will kill to become a stronger ally.

I find Morinth to be intriguing, but I A) would never, ever trust her and  wouldn't let her keep killing people for her own gratification or to expand her powers. Who's to say that the next person she turns on won't be Shepard? If she really does become increasingly powerful, I see no reason why someone who's so obviously amoral wouldn't put Shepard on the dinner menu next.  If Samara hadn't shown up, I expect Morinth would have killed Shepard back on Omega - heh.

If they bring her back, I'd like to see how it plays out because I actually do find her interesting as a character. Just don't try to justify what she does as somehow being morally acceptable and comparable to Shepard's decision to kill 300,000 people. Sacrificing that Batarian sygave us time to prepare. Monith just kills for no reason other than her own pleasure, and I very much doubt that one biotic, no matter how powerful she grows to be, will turn the tide against the Reapers.

[Medhia Nox]

Obstructing justice is dangerous.. what can I say.

BTW - Samara states she's not interested in good or evil. She's interested in what the Asari have determined is justice. She implies she's willing to do some pretty questionable things in pursuit of justice (again, which has little to do with 'good')

So - ultimately, she's the embodiment of the Asari legal system.

[Skirata129]

not really... consenting to being restrained for a day before she breaks out by killing a bunch of police officers probably doesn't mesh with their legal system very well. I think this was the devs way of trying to introduce a jedi like class and point out all the flaws with such a system. following a code that twisted and convoluted makes the one who follows it just as bad.

[WizenSlinky0]

A justicar is not considered a part of government, military, or police forces in Asari space. They are highly revered and respected. Often police forces will yield to the decision of a Justicar out of principle and respect.

There would be no retribution from the Asari government for killing somebody who works outside the law. From their perspective you could just have easily killed her while defending against her attempts at killing you for her code.

[dreman9999]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

A justicar is not considered a part of government, military, or police forces in Asari space. They are highly revered and respected. Often police forces will yield to the decision of a Justicar out of principle and respect.

There would be no retribution from the Asari government for killing somebody who works outside the law. From their perspective you could just have easily killed her while defending against her attempts at killing you for her code.

Sure the law would be on your side...But what about the people......The asari look to Jusiticars in a way of reverance. If word got out you killed one, morally thae asari will hate you. It would be like a man killing a preist.(And yes, I understand priest aren't killers. It just that aspects of Asari culture look at Jusiticars like aspects of our sosiaty look at Priest.)

[Skirata129]

yorkj86 wrote...

Nah.  The main task of the Justicar is the pursuit, apprehension, and/or execution of violent Ardat-Yakshi.  I don't know why people have it in their heads that a Justicar would kill a jaywalker for jaywalking, for example.  I don't know why people have it in their heads that the only method of punishment for a crime that Justicar has at her disposal is execution.  Because they saw her killing mercenaries for information, I guess.  It's a Justicars prerogative kill, as it is a Spectre's.  Additionally, there are policemen in asari territory, and there are Justicars.  Each has their own task, duty, and jurisdiction. 

Justicars can also serve as neutral parties for legal matters, such as property disagreements.  They can render judgment about who deserves what, in that case.  That would make it seem as if the Justicars do have some interaction with the asari legal system.  Maybe the asari can appeal a Justicar's judgment.

Don't multiple asari have opinions on Justicars?  Doesn't Samara herself say that asari children grow up watching vids of Justicars performing heroics?  Sounds culturally ingrained. 

When you start to doubt the veracity of everything you hear from characters, it is a slippery slope, one that conveniently bends information to what the individual wants to believe.

just asking, where did you get this from? every character you talk to is worried that the Justicar is going to start killing people, because their code compels them to root out corruption through destruction. At least two people were worried she was going to kill them and one was a honest police officer. Samara's personal mission was hunting the ardat yakshi, because that one happened to be her daughter, but all justicars don't do that.

[shepskisaac]

IMO it is quite possible the romance plot with Morinth may continue EVEN if she's not a part member.

[D.Kain]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

But if Shepard could sacrifice so many batarians he can sacrifise a few more, those that Morinth will kill to become a stronger ally.

I find Morinth to be intriguing, but I A) would never, ever trust her and  wouldn't let her keep killing people for her own gratification or to expand her powers. Who's to say that the next person she turns on won't be Shepard? If she really does become increasingly powerful, I see no reason why someone who's so obviously amoral wouldn't put Shepard on the dinner menu next.  If Samara hadn't shown up, I expect Morinth would have killed Shepard back on Omega - heh.

If they bring her back, I'd like to see how it plays out because I actually do find her interesting as a character. Just don't try to justify what she does as somehow being morally acceptable and comparable to Shepard's decision to kill 300,000 people. Sacrificing that Batarian sygave us time to prepare. Monith just kills for no reason other than her own pleasure, and I very much doubt that one biotic, no matter how powerful she grows to be, will turn the tide against the Reapers.

I started to trust Morinth completely right after she didn't kill me when I was standing there unarmed while Samara was dead. Ofcourse I was a biotic and could put up a fight, but she would probably outbest me.

[Karuda]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Oh, you guys are so renegade.

Not very Paragon of you to taunt people as such...

[Varus Praetor]

Justicars pretty much wander the galaxy alone fighting crime or whatever. I fully expect Morinth to be capable of keeping up the charade OR faking "Samara's" death. She is pretty old and has a dangerous occupation. Pretty simple. In fact, the only reason Morinth seams to be playing the role of Samara in ME2 is the rest of the crew.

[ChristianSoldier]

If you're playing renegade you shouldnt give a **** about how morinth will betray you and crap. Renegade shepard made it clear that morinth is way out of his league. If morinth tries anything funny shes guna get her ass ripped by shepard. Period.

I play paragon though lol

[D.Kain]

ChristianSoldier wrote...

If you're playing renegade you shouldnt give a **** about how morinth will betray you and crap. Renegade shepard made it clear that morinth is way out of his league. If morinth tries anything funny shes guna get her ass ripped by shepard. Period.

I play paragon though lol

No, Morinth does not act out of fear. She could kill an unarmed Shepard, but she just wanted to be greatful. 

[AtreiyaN7]

D.Kain wrote...

I started to trust Morinth completely right after she didn't kill me when I was standing there unarmed while Samara was dead. Ofcourse I was a biotic and could put up a fight, but she would probably outbest me.

Aaaand what game do you think she was playing before Samara showed up? She certainly seemed to be in soul-sucking mode. I think she leaves you alive because A) she has to play a charade as Samara and is interested in toying with you. If you attempt to consummate the romance later, doesn't it result in Shepard's death? Heh - if she becomes so powerful that no one can stop her, well, she doesn't exactly have much of a conscience to keep her in check.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 12 juin 2011 - 05:51 .

[Fleetleader101]

Skirata129 wrote...

honestly you could probably play it off as the morally correct choice. I didn't agree with what the justicars were doing at all as their code allowed for no middle ground, and Morinth was kind of forced into her position by her genetics (her only other option was basically imprisonment). So I killed Samara and decided to let Morinth live how she wanted to. Morinth deserved it more than someone who would allow herself to be put in a situation where she would inflict gratuitous harm to innocent people simply because a code had that somewhere in the fine print.

I really did have this thought as well. Thats what a love about this series is that even though BioWare says its more of a renegade choice, I almost thought, "yeah, but mornith has killed a lot fewer people than samara."

[D.Kain]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I started to trust Morinth completely right after she didn't kill me when I was standing there unarmed while Samara was dead. Ofcourse I was a biotic and could put up a fight, but she would probably outbest me.

Aaaand what game do you think she was playing before Samara showed up? She certainly seemed to be in soul-sucking mode. I think she leaves you alive because A) she has to play a charade as Samara and is interested in toying with you. If you attempt to consummate the romance later, doesn't it result in Shepard's death? Heh - if she becomes so powerful that no on ecan stop her, well, she doesn't exactly have much of a conscience to keep her in check.

She wanted to kill me because she thought I was a tipical clubing idiot. Then I saved her life and she wanted to be greatful. Then a) She really believed what she said and thought that maybe atleast someone could survive after melding with her and maybe even fell in love with Shepard. Her hunger slowly took over her, that she couldn't hanndle it, so by the end of mission she wanted Shepard really bad, because he was special. She still gave a choice to Shepard and it is up to you to risk. c) She couldn't control the hunger and wanted Shepard bad from the beginning because he was special. But hey a sexy asari risks a suicide mission for a chance to have sex with me? I am flatered, welcome aboard, even though your not getting any.. 

That sums it for me.  Never the less, right now she's keeping herself in check, or is atleast trying to.

Modifié par D.Kain, 12 juin 2011 - 06:07 .