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[Ausstig]

 The enslaved/killed EVEYONE ON MINDOIR, thats why they need to die, my shep would kill a 'four-eyes' before letting it step foot on my ship:devil:

[Gabey5]

Ausstig wrote...

 The enslaved/killed EVEYONE ON MINDOIR, thats why they need to die, my shep would kill a 'four-eyes' before letting it step foot on my ship:devil:

cerberus killed their share of colonists including shepards unit yet they were all over the ship:whistle:
in times of war..

[Bogsnot1]

Its trendy. All the cool kids are doing it.

[JadeEffect]

I think Batarians are just souls who's intentions are good.. Eh, they are just misunderstood. I think people don't like them being their upper class supports slavery and such... And that usually means stealing humans.

To be honest, I like the rivalry/tension going on with the Alliance and Batarians, makes for a good back story.

I like them, but Vorchas? Psh, galactic **** roaches.

[Robhuzz]

SilentNukee wrote...

They gather slaves because it's part of their "caste". That's enough reason for me.

^Pretty much this. It just seems wrong for a civisation so advanced and one that was actually part of a galactic community to deal in slavery. Not to mention they obtain these slaves by raiding colonies, selling the colonists into slavery. Add to that Admiral Hackett saying 'the batarians have been looking to start a war with us since we first arrived' and it's hard NOT to dislike the Batarians.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 11 juin 2011 - 02:15 .

[CroGamer002]

Well it's not like Turians tried to kill us for activating a Relay, for crying out loud, and didn't stopped until Council intervened. And how they green lighted genophage made by Salarians.

Or how some Geth allied with Reapers and killed many people or turned them into husks. And how Geth killed billions of Quarians.

Or that humans have Terra Firma and Cerberus( which killed more people and turned them into husk then Saren and almost doomed entire galaxy without Reapers).



Double standards much?

[luk3us]

They have four eyes.

[Bad King]

Most batarians are oppressed by a ruthless and paranoid government. A lot of people don't seem to realise that it's their government that's bad while most of the people are victims.

Modifié par Bad King, 11 juin 2011 - 01:40 .

[Flashlegend]

Mesina2 wrote...

Well it's not like Turians tried to kill us for activating a Relay, for crying out loud, and didn't stopped until Council intervened. And how they green lighted genophage made by Salarians.

Or how some Geth allied with Reapers and killed many people or turned them into husks. And how Geth killed billions of Quarians.

Or that humans have Terra Firma and Cerberus( which killed more people and turned them into husk then Saren and almost doomed entire galaxy without Reapers).



Double standards much?

Half of that stuff is one turian.(Saren) As for that other stuff, it's not easy to overlook but one of the most well liked characters in the series is a turian(garrus) and every turian we meet isn't a scumbag.

[Bad King]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Other than a few skirmishes there species hasn't done much. You would think more of that would be directed at Turians or Geth.
thoughts?

Well, stuff like calling slavery "an inextricable part of the batarian caste system" and that trying to remove it "violates their cultural rights" might have something to do with it.  And all the terrorist funding and generally underhanded and unethical practices the Hegemony seems to use to push their agenda.

That doesn't justify hating an entire race just because their government is full of bad eggs.

[Gabey5]

Flashlegend wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Well it's not like Turians tried to kill us for activating a Relay, for crying out loud, and didn't stopped until Council intervened. And how they green lighted genophage made by Salarians.

Or how some Geth allied with Reapers and killed many people or turned them into husks. And how Geth killed billions of Quarians.

Or that humans have Terra Firma and Cerberus( which killed more people and turned them into husk then Saren and almost doomed entire galaxy without Reapers).



Double standards much?

Half of that stuff is one turian.(Saren) As for that other stuff, it's not easy to overlook but one of the most well liked characters in the series is a turian(garrus) and every turian we meet isn't a scumbag.

saren wasn't in his post, it  the turian governement that started the first contact war.. a warning and an introduction in to the galactic community would have sufficed.. but theyw ent ahead and destroyed half a dozen ships and occupy our colony at the drop of a hat

[Bad King]

Robhuzz wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

They gather slaves because it's part of their "caste". That's enough reason for me.

^Pretty much this. To me this proves the batarians are a barbaric race (If you think of it Batarians is also very close to Barbarians) not fit for being part of the galactic community, this and the fact that they hate humans means I'd happily kill any batarian standing in my way in ME3. If possible I'd even help the reapers destroy the entire batarian race before fighting them off to save humanity. After ME3, the humans can then take most of the skyllian verge, as well as all the former Batarian colonies.

What is this? I don't even...

Modifié par Bad King, 11 juin 2011 - 01:43 .

[CroGamer002]

Robhuzz wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

They gather slaves because it's part of their "caste". That's enough reason for me.

^Pretty much this. To me this proves the batarians are a barbaric race (If you think of it Batarians is also very close to Barbarians) not fit for being part of the galactic community,

So you're saying that humany until Abraham Lincoln was barbaric?


Was Saudi Arabia barbaric until 1962?

this and the fact that they hate humans

We see plenty of Batarians that don't mind humans.

Hell Blue Suns is mostly made of Batarains and Humans.

means I'd happily kill any batarian standing in my way in ME3.

What's the diffrence with anyone that stays in your way?

If possible I'd even help the reapers destroy the entire batarian race before fighting them off to save humanity. After ME3, the humans can then take most of the skyllian verge, as well as all the former Batarian colonies.

You're an hypocrite.


Killing and hating humans is bad, but same thing doesn't apply for Batarians?
Double standards much?

[Flashlegend]

mrsph wrote...


And every batarian we meet isn't a scumbag. At least half of the ones you run into on Omega are just grumpy.

Still, it's very easy to see why people hate them as an overall race.(even though they honestly shouldn't)

[Gabey5]

Bad King wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

They gather slaves because it's part of their "caste". That's enough reason for me.

^Pretty much this. To me this proves the batarians are a barbaric race (If you think of it Batarians is also very close to Barbarians) not fit for being part of the galactic community, this and the fact that they hate humans means I'd happily kill any batarian standing in my way in ME3. If possible I'd even help the reapers destroy the entire batarian race before fighting them off to save humanity. After ME3, the humans can then take most of the skyllian verge, as well as all the former Batarian colonies.

What is this? I don't even...

indeed..

plus

after the hell the reapers are about to put humanity through we won't be in any position to do anything

[rabidhanar]

Bad King wrote...

Most batarians are oppressed by a ruthless and paranoid government. A lot of people don't seem to realise that it's their government that's bad while most of the people are victims.

and some members here do not realize that the batarians do not see anything wrong with their government, that they enjoy slavery feeling that it is a part of their culture, that their hatred of humanity is almost religiously enforced, that every batarian that Shepard has seen was evil (not counting Garrus' squadmate, we never saw him), The Events at Terra Ferma and Mindoir...I can go on.

I have not met a single Batarian that wished for humanity's goodwill. I have not met a single Batarian that repented for his/her actions. Until I do I shall continue to hate and distrust the species.

Modifié par rabidhanar, 11 juin 2011 - 01:50 .

[CroGamer002]

Flashlegend wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Well it's not like Turians tried to kill us for activating a Relay, for crying out loud, and didn't stopped until Council intervened. And how they green lighted genophage made by Salarians.

Or how some Geth allied with Reapers and killed many people or turned them into husks. And how Geth killed billions of Quarians.

Or that humans have Terra Firma and Cerberus( which killed more people and turned them into husk then Saren and almost doomed entire galaxy without Reapers).



Double standards much?

Half of that stuff is one turian.(Saren) As for that other stuff, it's not easy to overlook but one of the most well liked characters in the series is a turian(garrus) and every turian we meet isn't a scumbag.

Re-read my post.

I only mention Saren once and I wasn't blaming him for any actions, just compered him with Cerberus.

Saren had nothing to do with genophage while for First Contact War he was just a soldier. Government of Turian Hierarchy, in other hand, had a lot with those.



And no I do not hate Turians, in matter of fact they are my 2nd favorite race( Geth 1st).
Just don't see reason to hate Batarians and think they are evil while loving races like Turians, Geth and Salarians.
And think humans are OK with Cerberus and Terra Firma.

[thompsonaf]

Allowing for, even funding, an institution of slavery is barbaric and simply unacceptable. The Batarians deserve nothing less than open warfare until their government and institutions are destroyed.

@Messina2
"So you're saying that humany until Abraham Lincoln was barbaric?"
"Was Saudi Arabia barbaric until 1962?"

Yes and yes and still yes. In many countries humanity, the governments it imposes, and it's institutions contain huge violations of basic rights.

[Bad King]

rabidhanar wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Most batarians are oppressed by a ruthless and paranoid government. A lot of people don't seem to realise that it's their government that's bad while most of the people are victims.

and some members here do not realize that the batarians do not see anything wrong with their government, that they enjoy slavery feeling that it is a part of their culture, that their hatred of humanity is almost religiously enforced, that every batarian that Shepard has seen was evil (not counting Garrus' squadmate, we never saw him), The Events at Terra Ferma and Mindoir...I can go on.

I have not met a single Batarian that wished for humanity's goodwill. I have not met a single Batarian that repented for his/her actions. I have not met a single Batarian that worked an honest job. Until I do I shall continue to hate and distrust the species.

Sorry what? Planet and codex descriptions confirm that most batarians are under scrutinous surveillance and live under a brutal caste system- they are reluctantly oppressed. This implies that there's a powerful dictatorship which is too strong to overthrow. We've met barely any batarians in game and you judge an entire people on the ones we've met alone.

[Leonia]

They're just misunderstood, that's all. Kind of like the quarians really, except they didn't really violate any AI laws and rather infringed on the rights of other Council races (namely the humans converging on their established territory). Not every batarian is a slaver and honestly, we know very little of them compared to the other races.

I think a lot of Shepards have backgrounds that involve aggressive batarians (not mine since she is an Earthborn, Sole-survivor) so maybe that factors into the prejudice a bit.

[rabidhanar]

@Messina2
"Was Saudi Arabia barbaric until 1962?"

Yes. In fact, personally I believe that most of the middle east is still barbaric due to the treatment of woman there...I understand the culture and religious standing on this, but we are in the 21 century now...times change. When a country still allows stoning to death I believe it is Barbaric.

On Topic: which Codex entry are you refering to? I have listened to all of them and I do not remember anything regarding the oppressing of people. Caste System yes, Government yes, oppressment No.

Modifié par rabidhanar, 11 juin 2011 - 01:59 .