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[CroGamer002]

mrsph wrote...

Actually, we don't know how the average batarian feels about their government, or if there is even a rebellion.

Well average Batarian in Batarian Hierarchy don't even have their own opinion, or at least for proper one.

Every day they are surrounded by propaganda and under constant surveillance( cameras, spy satellites). Also most didn't even saw human outside of News report of human getting executed for being enemy of state.

[MysteryNotes]

Well i did get poisoned by that batarian bartender on Omega..

[Leonia]

Mesina2 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Actually, we don't know how the average batarian feels about their government, or if there is even a rebellion.

Well average Batarian in Batarian Hierarchy don't even have their own opinion, or at least for proper one.

Every day they are surrounded by propaganda and under constant surveillance( cameras, spy satellites). Also most didn't even saw human outside of News report of human getting executed for being enemy of state.

Hegemony, not Hierarchy.

And how do you know so much about the average batarian?

How would you feel if humanity was taking over your area of space without so much as asking nicely first? Humans knew the risks of colonising near the batarians and they know they have the support of the other Council races if things get ugly. The batarians have some ugly practices, sure, but they used to be a Council-supported race and they had every right to colonise those worlds before the humans got pushy.

It's almost like the First Contact War all over again only the humans are now the turians.

[CroGamer002]

thompsonaf wrote...

Allowing for, even funding, an institution of slavery is barbaric and simply unacceptable. The Batarians deserve nothing less than open warfare until their government and institutions are destroyed.

@Messina2
"So you're saying that humany until Abraham Lincoln was barbaric?"
"Was Saudi Arabia barbaric until 1962?"

Yes and yes and still yes. In many countries humanity, the governments it imposes, and it's institutions contain huge violations of basic rights.

rabidhanar wrote...

@Messina2
"Was Saudi Arabia barbaric until 1962?"

Yes. In fact, personally I believe that most of the middle east is still barbaric due to the treatment of woman there...I understand the culture and religious standing on this, but we are in the 21 century now...times change. When a country still allows stoning to death I believe it is Barbaric.

In that case USA if barbaric as well.


Because I find it barbaric for people to celebrate someone's death.




Besides slavery isn't barbaric. It's definitely not good in any shape or form, but it's not barbaric.
Ways how you treat slave can be barbaric in other hand.

On Topic: which Codex entry are you refering to? I have listened to all of them and I do not remember anything regarding the oppressing of people. Caste System yes, Government yes, oppressment No.

You obviously never played Arrival then, or just didn't read Codex entries.

[Leonia]

Come to think of it, I don't theink we've met any batarians yet that live under the Hegemony, we've only ran into mercanaries and the like in Terminus space (and those terrorists in BDtS) who have basically abandoned their people to live their criminal lives outside of batarian space. We killed a few batarians that were interrogating an Alliance scientist in Arrival but we didn't exactly get to have conversations with them.

[MysteryNotes]

So..you consider celebrating someones death barbaric, but not slavery unless the slaver treats their slaves badly?
What?
I'd say that slavery is more barbaric because the slave is still alive. As for celebrating someones death..well he's dead its not like he's going to care. Lmao.

As for the batarian slavery,
"Among humans, batarians are now known mostly for their slaving practices, particularly their raid on the planet Mindoir in 2170. Once captured, the slavers implant control devices in the skulls of their slaves without bothering with anesthetic. Talitha, abducted from Mindoir, was a victim of this practice. The batarians are also known to enslave addicts of the biotic drug red sand when they can no longer afford to support their habit."
From the ME wiki.

[Legbiter]

It's us or them kid. I say we kill them all first.

[thompsonaf]

Mesina2wrote...
*snip*
Besides slavery isn't barbaric. It's definitely not good in any shape or form, but it's not barbaric.
Ways how you treat slave can be barbaric in other hand.

I suppose you own some slaves at home then? How quaint.

Nevermind the fact that the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights explicity states this:

http://www.un.org/en...dhr/index.shtml

"No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms."

Modifié par thompsonaf, 11 juin 2011 - 02:12 .

[Bad King]

thompsonaf wrote...

@Messina2
"So you're saying that humany until Abraham Lincoln was barbaric?"

Yes

Just to point out, slavery had been abolished elsewhere before it was abolished in the US.

[Legbiter]

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

I think we've encounter, one, maybe two, reasonable Batarians?

Oh you meet plenty of good batarians once they've been properly exsanguinated.

[Aigyl]

Bioware pretty much designed Batarians to be hated. They are everything western values oppose (slavery, terrorism, totalitarian government, list goes on). The only decent Batarian you meet is the sick guy in Mordin's recruitment.

Which makes me kinda like the guys. In an underdog way

EDIT: Silly typos.

Modifié par Aigyl, 11 juin 2011 - 02:25 .

[Golden Owl]

If you help the sick Batarian and let the Batarians holding Daniel go on Mordins RM....the Batarians are surprised at Shep as a human, being willing to help....they are taken back by his attitude, unexpected from a human...it seems to me humans are a demonized among the general Batarian population as Bataraians are demonized among the general human population.

As for me and my Shep, we take each individual by their own merits, not by their race.

[CroGamer002]

leonia42 wrote...


Hegemony, not Hierarchy.

Hmh, oups.


Though nobody ever tried to correct me with that.

And how do you know so much about the average batarian?

Not much but:

Aratoht Codex entry:

Aratoht is rumored to have military bases on its surface and throughout its solar system, though details are heavily restricted by the Hegemony's Ministry of Information Control. Human merchant ships rarely come to the planet, outcompeted by local companies that benefit from heavy economic protections. The average Aratoht citizen only sees humans on the news, usually featured in stories of trials and executions of accused spies.

Sounds a bit like propaganda.

How would you feel if humanity was taking over your area of space without so much as asking nicely first? Humans knew the risks of colonising near the batarians and they know they have the support of the other Council races if things get ugly. The batarians have some ugly practices, sure, but they used to be a Council-supported race and they had every right to colonise those worlds before the humans got pushy.

I would be angry on Alliance and Council, but not on some random human that had nothing to do with it.
Extreme nationalists in other hand would.

Though we really can't judge people buy their extremists.

It's almost like the First Contact War all over again only the humans are now the turians.

Well kinda.

[armass]

Dont ask me, some people just seem to loath them, tough there are some more brutal and evil races out there, like say the krogan or the reapers. Some people throw in genocide comments without think about it too much, even if it is a fictional species, and even if the average batarian citizen has nothing to do with the terra nova asteroid drops or killing Shepard's parents. Kinda makes you think...

Modifié par armass, 11 juin 2011 - 02:35 .

[Teknor]

Seriously, to me Krogans are much more hateable. They forced a pro-life guy like Mordin to develop a sterilization plague. While the Batarians are understandably butthurt over their stolen colonies, Korgans kill stuff just for the heck of it.

Modifié par Teknor, 11 juin 2011 - 02:36 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Because Bioware seems to think that people need to hate something and someone, because they can't focus otherwise. So they strive to portray the batarians as badly as possible, especially if the rumors I heard are true.

I don't hate them at all. I think them withdrawing from the Citadel was not a bright move, but I also see their point and how the Council just ignored them because the 3 main races think they can divide up the galaxy to whoever they want.

[spacesurfer77]

I hate Batarians because they fail. Their civilization has been apart of the galactic community for nearly 2,000 years and they can't even handle a species that has been on the galactic stage for only 20 something years? Pathetic.

Our idiotic species should be at the mercy of the Batarians, but no, we're owning them somehow. How is that possible, I don't know. Maybe Bioware should stop doing drugs when writing the story.

[CroGamer002]

thompsonaf wrote...

Mesina2wrote...
*snip*
Besides slavery isn't barbaric. It's definitely not good in any shape or form, but it's not barbaric.
Ways how you treat slave can be barbaric in other hand.

I suppose you own some slaves at home then? How quaint.

Nevermind the fact that the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights explicity states this:

http://www.un.org/en...dhr/index.shtml

"No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms."

Like I said, slavery is not good nor should be allowed anywhere.
Slavery is bad.

I just don't consider it barbaric.

[Whatever42]

Talitha.

[Teknor]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Talitha.

Poor girl. But does not condemn whole race.

[armass]

spacesurfer77 wrote...

I hate Batarians because they fail. Their civilization has been apart of the galactic community for nearly 2,000 years and they can't even handle a species that has been on the galactic stage for only 20 something years? Pathetic.

Our idiotic species should be at the mercy of the Batarians, but no, we're owning them somehow. How is that possible, I don't know. Maybe Bioware should stop doing drugs when writing the story.

I think that timeline was a mistake in storytelling, i would have put it over 100+ years from first contact, makes sense if you look how humans seem to be all over galaxy so quickly. Other reason is the old egoistic scifi cliche that humans are special or better than other species, somehow ofc.

Modifié par armass, 11 juin 2011 - 02:40 .

[CroGamer002]

spacesurfer77 wrote...

I hate Batarians because they fail. Their civilization has been apart of the galactic community for nearly 2,000 years and they can't even handle a species that has been on the galactic stage for only 20 something years? Pathetic.

Our idiotic species should be at the mercy of the Batarians, but no, we're owning them somehow. How is that possible, I don't know. Maybe Bioware should stop doing drugs when writing the story.

Geez, maybe because this species that is 20 years out there had support of 2 other species that were there 200-300 years longer?

[Whatever42]

Teknor wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Talitha.

Poor girl. But does not condemn whole race.

Talitha was not a rare occurance. Slaving is a central economic activity to the Batarian race. 

Now, assuming Batarians are just multi-eyed humans, that doesn't mean that every single Batarian is beyond redemption, only that almost every Batarian is raised with a moral code I would consider horrifying. However, my colonist Shepard, who has born the brunt of Batarian cruelty, is not likely to stop and give every Batarian a fair hearing.

Of course, that might mean if their government and social structure were smashed, that the species could be redeemed in my Shepard's eyes.

It is also possible that the species is not simply a reskinned humanity but is hard-wired differently than humanity: a race of what we would consider psychopaths. My Shepard isn't convinced this isn't the case.

[CroGamer002]

Aigyl wrote...

Bioware pretty much designed Batarians to be hated. They are everything western values oppose (slavery, terrorism, totalitarian government, list goes on).

Cerberus that isn't hated much is calling you.

The only decent Batarian you meet is the sick guy in Mordin's recruitment.

It's not like those other Batarians in same mission were little rational for seeing human, who are immune, with some medical stuff while some obviously artificially made plague being unleashed was little suspicious.
Oh no they were just evil, even though they listen to reason and leave you alone later on.

[Envor44]

I don't hate them(regardless of political conflicts & racial discrimination), although most of slavers and pirates in the Terminus Systems are Batarians. I don't see other species any difference...well Humanity in this case did wrong but just less than them but, there's countless of human criminal crawl behind,ours goverment is corrupt too, anti alien movement and so on.

The only group of Batarian people should hate is slavers who target humanity, extremist, terrorist even though they have influce over the entire race. Humanity is no different. Both races have scumbags on side, and judging the entire race base on "rotten side" of some people isn't even rational-thinking or good logics. Just saying:?

Modifié par Envor44, 11 juin 2011 - 02:52 .