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[dewayne31]

Aradace wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

NK needs to take care of it own business. that how i feel bout the batarians

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I am not going to continue, at the risk  of saying something very unpleasant - Have a nice day.

i shouldn't talk bout it either mt dad did two tours in the 80-90s there.

that was my last statement on nk. i try to to stay out of politics. i always end up saying stuff that i regret. now i know why is a very toucht subject.

My tour in Korea was spent mostly on the DMZ (which is literally the border) so I tend to not talk about North Korea as much as possible lol

[rabidhanar]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Just to be clear - I am not against a racist Shepard. It's a valid character, all right - I am against people who back Racists Shepards up.

Can you please explain why you are against these people supporting a fictional character's ideals?

[Ieldra]

Gabey5 wrote...
Other than a few skirmishes there species hasn't done much. You would think more of that would be directed at Turians or Geth.thoughts?

Batarians are very similar to humans, they are the dark mirror image of humanity. Whenever we look into a mirror we see half a batarian looking back at us. Of course we hate them. We do not like to be shown what we are at our worst.

[Clover Rider]

rabidhanar wrote...

@Mesina2 and yet some people are turning this into an attack on other forumites if they happen to hate the batarians, regardless of their reasoning.

I hate them, nothing you will do can persuade me otherwise.
This is a game...what I do will not effect you in the least. Your Shepard will not suddenly become a racist if my Shepard does so.
Why are the people who are against a racist Shepard trying to persuade those that are fine and/or happy with having a racist shepard to change their ways? Why are people bringing up REAL EVENTS in HISTORY and asking other posters whether they would kill said groups as well? We gave our reasoning as to our opinions. That is all. We are not persuading you to be racist, just giving our reasoning.

Being racist is pointless that is fact just as much as my opinion.

[CroGamer002]

rabidhanar wrote...

@Mesina2 and yet some people are turning this into an attack on other forumites if they happen to hate the batarians, regardless of their reasoning.

I hate them, nothing you will do can persuade me otherwise.
This is a game...what I do will not effect you in the least. Your Shepard will not suddenly become a racist if my Shepard does so.
Why are the people who are against a racist Shepard trying to persuade those that are fine and/or happy with having a racist shepard to change their ways? Why are people bringing up REAL EVENTS in HISTORY and asking other posters whether they would kill said groups as well? We gave our reasoning as to our opinions. That is all. We are not persuading you to be racist, just giving our reasoning.

YOU'RE TRYING TO REASON RACISM?!


ARE YOU F*CKING NUTS?!

[marshalleck]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...
Other than a few skirmishes there species hasn't done much. You would think more of that would be directed at Turians or Geth.thoughts?

Batarians are very similar to humans, they are the dark mirror image of humanity. Whenever we look into a mirror we see half a batarian looking back at us. Of course we hate them. We do not like to be shown what we are at our worst.

Eh, no. 

[Aradace]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Just to be clear - I am not against a racist Shepard. It's a valid character, all right - I am against people who back Racists Shepards up.

Am I missing something in this statement?  Or does this seem a little contradictory?

[rabidhanar]

some might disagree with that opinon Some Geth...
Pointless is debatable. Some cultures have different laws or customs depending on race.

[Leonia]

rabidhanar wrote...

@Mesina2 and yet some people are turning this into an attack on other forumites if they happen to hate the batarians, regardless of their reasoning.

I hate them, nothing you will do can persuade me otherwise.
This is a game...what I do will not effect you in the least. Your Shepard will not suddenly become a racist if my Shepard does so.
Why are the people who are against a racist Shepard trying to persuade those that are fine and/or happy with having a racist shepard to change their ways? Why are people bringing up REAL EVENTS in HISTORY and asking other posters whether they would kill said groups as well? We gave our reasoning as to our opinions. That is all. We are not persuading you to be racist, just giving our reasoning.

Somehow "you humans are all racist" doesn't quite cover it.. probably not worth having this conversation at all if you are going to justify racism, whether in a fictional setting or not.

[Eleinehmm]

rabidhanar wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Just to be clear - I am not against a racist Shepard. It's a valid character, all right - I am against people who back Racists Shepards up.

Can you please explain why you are against these people supporting a fictional character's ideals?

Sorry, was not clear enough. If they say that it's their Shep reasoning, it's ok.
If they say it's their reasoning... Well, each and every person has his/her own set of morals; mine makes me stand against it, no matter the context.

[dewayne31]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...
Other than a few skirmishes there species hasn't done much. You would think more of that would be directed at Turians or Geth.thoughts?

Batarians are very similar to humans, they are the dark mirror image of humanity. Whenever we look into a mirror we see half a batarian looking back at us. Of course we hate them. We do not like to be shown what we are at our worst.

i never thought of it like that. but your right

[rabidhanar]

Mesina2 wrote...

YOU'RE TRYING TO REASON RACISM?!


ARE YOU F*CKING NUTS?!

For a fictional group of individuals - Yes.
For applying a standard toward real groups of people - No.

Massive difference between the two of them...
if you can not understand that...whatever man.

Modifié par rabidhanar, 11 juin 2011 - 05:24 .

[Eleinehmm]

Aradace wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Just to be clear - I am not against a racist Shepard. It's a valid character, all right - I am against people who back Racists Shepards up.

Am I missing something in this statement?  Or does this seem a little contradictory?

No, it is not. I may not like a racist Shepard as a person, but I can imagine a racist Shepard and the game clearly gives us this option

[Aradace]

rabidhanar wrote...

some might disagree with that opinon Some Geth...
Pointless is debatable. Some cultures have different laws or customs depending on race.

In an ideal universe, everyone gets along while holding hands and sitting around a camp fire while singing Kumbah-frickin-yaa lol.  Personally, Im not for racism or against it.  I dont hate the batarians because of their race, I hate them because of their government.  Also, to clarify, the term "racism" is often misused.  Racism is typically described as having hatred for all races other than ones own.  Where as Prejudice (think I spelled that right? lol) is often described as hating/disliking one or a few. 

[CroGamer002]

marshalleck wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Plus you can reason with them.

Threatening to kill someone isn't really reasoning with them. It's merely coercing them through intimidation. Besides, taking hotages is not the action of a "reasonable" person. Daniel had no weapons and was no threat to anyone; cursory investigation of his presence outside the clinic would have revealed as much. The guy is a naive pacifist through and through; the batarians holding him hostage and threatening to kill him were just being impulsive, racist thugs looking to shoot first and ask questions later...or rather, probably not ask any questions. Just do the shooting part.

You never played as Paragon, didn't you?


Also this is argument after the fact. They don't know who this guy really is. All they know there's an artificial made plague that doesn't effect humans and Vorcha.
Ever heard of angry mob?

Also if you don't reason with them( or intimidate), they'll probably rather want to kill this guy then let him go and spread virus, that they believe he's spreading.


And there's no racism in that scene.

[Aradace]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Just to be clear - I am not against a racist Shepard. It's a valid character, all right - I am against people who back Racists Shepards up.

Am I missing something in this statement?  Or does this seem a little contradictory?

No, it is not. I may not like a racist Shepard as a person, but I can imagine a racist Shepard and the game clearly gives us this option

I think I see.  Thank you for the clarification

[CroGamer002]

rabidhanar wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

YOU'RE TRYING TO REASON RACISM?!


ARE YOU F*CKING NUTS?!

For a fictional group of individuals - Yes.
For applying a standard toward real groups of people - No.

Massive difference between the two of them...
if you can not understand that...whatever man.

In that case it would be OK for your fictional character to be pedophile too.
I mean it's just fictional character no matter how sick that thought this.

[VoidCabbage]

I don't like the slavery and religious zealotry.

Is it possible that there are some progressive Batarians who don't believe in their horrible government... I'm positive that there are. I don't hate all Batarians (unless they come up with some biological reasons Batarians will always love slavery at which point they are irredeemable)

I hate the Batarian government and all who support it. But the Batarian government wouldn't exist if not for Batarian people. Sure the lowers castes probably don't like the government that oppresses them.. but there needs to be a large amount of Batarian support or else they would have been overthrown thousands of years ago.

[Ryzaki]

Mesina2 wrote...

rabidhanar wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

YOU'RE TRYING TO REASON RACISM?!


ARE YOU F*CKING NUTS?!

For a fictional group of individuals - Yes.
For applying a standard toward real groups of people - No.

Massive difference between the two of them...
if you can not understand that...whatever man.

In that case it would be OK for your fictional character to be pedophile too.
I mean it's just fictional character no matter how sick that thought this.

 

Pretty much. 

And plenty of fictional characters are pedophiles/rapists/serial killers. It's fiction. (not that those things aren't true for some people in RL)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 juin 2011 - 05:34 .

[Aradace]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

rabidhanar wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

YOU'RE TRYING TO REASON RACISM?!


ARE YOU F*CKING NUTS?!

For a fictional group of individuals - Yes.
For applying a standard toward real groups of people - No.

Massive difference between the two of them...
if you can not understand that...whatever man.

In that case it would be OK for your fictional character to be pedophile too.
I mean it's just fictional character no matter how sick that thought this.

 

Pretty much. 

And plenty of fictional characters are pedophiles/rapists/serial killers. It's fiction. (not that those things aren't true for some people in RL)

Exactly.  Fiction is the key word here.  A word that some folks apparently arent understanding too well

[fighterchick]

Mesina2 wrote...

rabidhanar wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

YOU'RE TRYING TO REASON RACISM?!


ARE YOU F*CKING NUTS?!

For a fictional group of individuals - Yes.
For applying a standard toward real groups of people - No.

Massive difference between the two of them...
if you can not understand that...whatever man.

In that case it would be OK for your fictional character to be pedophile too.
I mean it's just fictional character no matter how sick that thought this.

What are you trying to say?  Do you think the option to play a racist shepard should be taken out of the game?

[CroGamer002]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

rabidhanar wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

YOU'RE TRYING TO REASON RACISM?!


ARE YOU F*CKING NUTS?!

For a fictional group of individuals - Yes.
For applying a standard toward real groups of people - No.

Massive difference between the two of them...
if you can not understand that...whatever man.

In that case it would be OK for your fictional character to be pedophile too.
I mean it's just fictional character no matter how sick that thought this.

 

Pretty much. 

And plenty of fictional characters are pedophiles/rapists/serial killers. It's fiction. (not that those things aren't true for some people in RL)

Though trying to reason that this sick/ahole character is in right is insane.

[rabidhanar]

leonia42 wrote...

Somehow "you humans are all racist" doesn't quite cover it.. probably not worth having this conversation at all if you are going to justify racism, whether in a fictional setting or not.

Look prejudice is everywhere...no two people are equal, nothing is the same, the whole spiel.
The only way someone is not prejudiced is if they treat everyone the same (can anyone tell me if they treat their mother in the exact same way to a stranger off the street?)

I am fine with a fictional character having a prejudice against another fictional character. Especially when the second character does not look or sound human. i am fine with a real life person having a prejudice against a fictional character (this includes hate, love, adoration, kindness, etc.).

What I am 100% percent against is a real life person acting different to a different real life person because of simple things such as culture, skin tone, or religion. I loathe double standards, early opinions due to an individuals clothing style (first impressions), racist remarks against other individuals, purposeful hiring of someone do to race (filling the slots, minority advantages, majority advantages,glass ceiling), or social advantages (scholarships, contacts in high places, friendship with leaders, etc.).

Yet I am happy with someone who dislikes a certain individual because of the way they act to them. I believe in the concept of treating a person based on their own merit. If someone is a jerk, one should have the right to dislike him/her.

Modifié par rabidhanar, 11 juin 2011 - 05:41 .

[CroGamer002]

fighterchicks wrote...

What are you trying to say?  Do you think the option to play a racist shepard should be taken out of the game?

Nope, just that trying to reason that is insane.

If you're not racist but you're fictional character is racist then you won't argue that this character is in right.

Unless you're lying not to be racist or just stupid.

Modifié par Mesina2, 11 juin 2011 - 05:40 .

[Aradace]

Mesina2 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

rabidhanar wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

YOU'RE TRYING TO REASON RACISM?!


ARE YOU F*CKING NUTS?!

For a fictional group of individuals - Yes.
For applying a standard toward real groups of people - No.

Massive difference between the two of them...
if you can not understand that...whatever man.

In that case it would be OK for your fictional character to be pedophile too.
I mean it's just fictional character no matter how sick that thought this.

 

Pretty much. 

And plenty of fictional characters are pedophiles/rapists/serial killers. It's fiction. (not that those things aren't true for some people in RL)

Though trying to reason that this sick/ahole character is in right is insane.

You're missing the whole point.  Right or wrong isnt the question.  Its the fact that it is a playable option.  Just because you play a racist shepard doesnt make the person playing him/her a bad person.  If that is your belief then perhaps you think that all characters should be Hippygons....err....Paragons and no one should have the option to play anything but that?