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[marshalleck]

Mesina2 wrote...

Let's see.

That sick Batarian on Mordin's recruitment,

...blames the plague on humans. Why? Because humans are immune. That's a flimsy, and dare I say biased rationale.

in same mission those few Batarians listen to reason( oh but playing Paragon is big problem to you),

yeah, they listen to reason in your effort to talk them out of murdering an unarmed doctor. Also Paragon status isn't necessarily my problem; it's Shepard-of-any-stripe's uncanny ability to utterly dominate the minds of other people with persuasion choices that I object to. Shepard can make anyone do or say anything no matter how impossibly out of character it is. That's why I'd rather leave those examples out of the discussion. Theyre an automatic "I win" button nuclear option that severely undermines NPC character motivation, but that's a whole new thread in itself.

shopkeeper on Omega,

Forgot this guy. I'll have to go back and have a look at how he interacts with Shepard.

Garrus saying he had a Batarian tech with him

Already acknowledged, but as I have said repeatedly, this is a character Shepard never actually interacts with. The player has no experience with this character. As I already stated, there are plenty of moderate batarians in the canonical material--it's just that Shepard never, ever meets a single one of them. None. Never. Ever. I can only assume there must be a reason for that. Personally I think it's because Bioware are fully intending to foster some hostility in the playerbase toward batarians. I really don't know how much longer or more emphatically I can keep restating this: I don't believe all batarians are ****s; it's just that every batarian my Shepard meets is a huge jerkass.

and little sad music while Shepard doesn't seem very happy after killing 300 000 Batarians.

Not sure what this has to do with the thread.

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 juin 2011 - 07:18 .

[CroGamer002]

KingGato wrote...

Wasn't the point always that batarians aren't necessarily bad, but their government clearly is? The only batarians outside of the traverse are almost all slavers and mercenaries, and if the codex and news reports on Omega are any indicator the Batarian government keeps a pretty firm thumb down on any sort of unfiltered information coming into their space. Hell, they even call them Batarian Hegemony, which is a pretty clear indicator. It seems likely that the Batarians have been shown only the worst side of humanity themselves, starting with them "shoving" them out of Council Space and ending with the destruction of one of their homeworlds. I'm not saying Batarians are misunderstood and awesome and humans suck, I'm just saying that if normal humans and normal batarians had a chance to interact without the interference of parties who's interests are served by them hating one another, they would probably get along okay.

As far as I recall, the only few times Shepard interacts with Batarian non-combatants, they all seem shocked that every human isn't some gun-blasting monster (assuming you Paragon the place up). .

This.


Also Alliance and Batarian Hegemony are same as USA and USSR.

[Eleinehmm]

Mesina2 wrote...


Also Alliance and Batarian Hegemony are same as USA and USSR.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[CroGamer002]

marshalleck wrote...

...blames the plague on humans. Why? Because humans are immune. That's a flimsy, and dare I say biased rationale.

Geez, artificially made plague that effect every species but humans and Vorcha and Vorcha are idiots.

Oh, it's probably Asari.

yeah, they listen to reason in your effort to talk them out of murdering an unarmed doctor. Also Paragon status isn't necessarily my problem; it's Shepard-of-any-stripe's uncanny ability to utterly dominate the minds of other people with persuasion choices that I object to. Shepard can make anyone do or say anything no matter how impossibly out of character it is. That's why I'd rather leave those examples out of the discussion. Theyre an automatic "I win" button nuclear option that severely undermines NPC character motivation, but that's a whole new thread in itself.

Thank you for your metagaming and not giving me a point.

Forgot this guy. I'll have to go back and have a look at how he interacts with Shepard.

Yeah, he's very polite even after you are rude to him.

Already acknowledged, but as I have said repeatedly, this is a character Shepard never actually interacts with. The player has no experience with this character. As I already stated, there are plenty of moderate batarians in the canonical material--it's just that Shepard never, ever meets a single one of them. None. Never. Ever. I can only assume there must be a reason for that. Personally I think it's because Bioware are fully intending to foster some hostility in the playerbase toward batarians. 

I already pointed 2 Batarians that aren't doing any bad stuff.

and little sad music while Shepard doesn't seem very happy after killing 300 000 Batarians.

Not sure what this has to do with the thread.

That was more pointed at your comment "Bioware is making Batarians EVUL and must be HATED!" despite doing that scene.

Modifié par Mesina2, 11 juin 2011 - 07:38 .

[Aradace]

Sylvianus wrote...

Their government threats humanity and humans. Also, I hate slavery.

This is essentially my stance.  My opinion has nothing to do with "race"

[CroGamer002]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...


Also Alliance and Batarian Hegemony are same as USA and USSR.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Well they are.


Americans though "Russians are all evil communists dogs! They can't be trusted!" while Soviets "Americans are all evil capitalistic pigs! They can't be trusted!".

[Sylvianus]

KingGato wrote...

Wasn't the point always that batarians aren't necessarily bad, but their government clearly is? The only batarians outside of the traverse are almost all slavers and mercenaries, and if the codex and news reports on Omega are any indicator the Batarian government keeps a pretty firm thumb down on any sort of unfiltered information coming into their space. Hell, they even call them Batarian Hegemony, which is a pretty clear indicator. It seems likely that the Batarians have been shown only the worst side of humanity themselves, starting with them "shoving" them out of Council Space and ending with the destruction of one of their homeworlds. I'm not saying Batarians are misunderstood and awesome and humans suck, I'm just saying that if normal humans and normal batarians had a chance to interact without the interference of parties who's interests are served by them hating one another, they would probably get along okay.

As far as I recall, the only few times Shepard interacts with Batarian non-combatants, they all seem shocked that every human isn't some gun-blasting monster (assuming you Paragon the place up). .

Well, I don't hate Batarians, I'm just pragmatic.

Mindoir, Elysium, Terra Nova, financing of criminal groups and pirates to attack and destroy human colonies. Also there are Batarian warlords who hide their identities and play the pirates as Balack. It's enough.

But I am the only one to have listened what said balack ? He says he isn't the only batarian to prepare attacks against humanity, there are thousands others like him, it is only the beginning. It is clear that he talks about  the Batarian's government.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 11 juin 2011 - 07:38 .

[marshalleck]

Mesina2 wrote...

Thank you for your metagaming and giving me a point.

How is that metagaming? I wasn't talking about making in-game decisions based on knowledge of game mechanics or future plot events. I know English is not your first language, and I am not criticizing grammar or anything trivial like that, but this is the second time you've written something that just leaves me a bit flabbergasted as to where it came from. It's like we're not speaking the same language. The first time is when you said you thought my comment about the self-righteousness of Paragon dialogue options was ironic.

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 juin 2011 - 07:33 .

[Eleinehmm]

Mesina2 wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...


Also Alliance and Batarian Hegemony are same as USA and USSR.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Well they are.


Americans though "Russians are all evil communists dogs! They can't be trusted!" while Soviets "Americans are all evil capitalistic pigs! They can't be trusted!".

Sorry, I have a good background, so to speak, in historical propaganda studies and can’t take this statement seriously.

[Sylvianus]

Aradace wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Their government threats humanity and humans. Also, I hate slavery.

This is essentially my stance.  My opinion has nothing to do with "race"

Exactly. It has nothing to do with " race. "
I focus on the facts and considers  as a threat that is emerging as a threat. That's all.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 11 juin 2011 - 07:36 .

[KotorEffect3]

Gabey5 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

tomorrowstation wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Their government are funding batarian slavers and pirates to focus on humans? I think thats pretty bad

This. They kinda bring it on themselves.

And they tried to drop a big rock on Terra Nova. Dick move, I say.

those were extremists, every species has them

Didnt read the word GOVERNMENT in that sentence did you?

yeah but we have cerberus that is so entageled with the allaince since first contact. We took space that they claimed and the council did nothinga s we encroacheddeeper and deeper in to an area they claimed and the council sided with us, this random new species.. it was bound to cause a blood feud, if they had done it to us we would have responded the same way.

What about the Geth? They are loved here and many humans died at their hands throughout the games. Rather than eslave humans they just turned them in to this

Actualy it is the reapers that turn humans into husks.

[CroGamer002]

marshalleck wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Thank you for your metagaming and not giving me a point.

How is that metagaming? I wasn't talking about making in-game decisions based on knowledge of game mechanics or future plot events. I know English is not your first language, and I am not criticizing grammar or anything trivial like that, but this is the second time you've written something that just leaves me a bit flabbergasted as to where it came from. It's like we're not speaking the same language. The first time is when you said you thought my comment about the self-righteousness of Paragon dialogue options was ironic.

"I win" button is metagaming part.
Even though what Shepard's says makes sense or scares them off.


And for irony, you said Paragon is self-righteous, naive and other thing but you never played as one.

Isn't that a little self-righteous to say.


I played Paragon, Renegade, Paragade and Renegon and I really didn't have a problem playing it for the most part nor that any one of them is in wrong.

Modifié par Mesina2, 11 juin 2011 - 07:44 .

[CroGamer002]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Actualy it is the reapers that turn humans into husks.

That's not what I see here.

Also Geth are allied with Reapers, isn't that bad enough?

[marshalleck]

Mesina2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Thank you for your metagaming and not giving me a point.

How is that metagaming? I wasn't talking about making in-game decisions based on knowledge of game mechanics or future plot events. I know English is not your first language, and I am not criticizing grammar or anything trivial like that, but this is the second time you've written something that just leaves me a bit flabbergasted as to where it came from. It's like we're not speaking the same language. The first time is when you said you thought my comment about the self-righteousness of Paragon dialogue options was ironic.

"I win" button is metagaming part.
Even though what Shepard's says makes sense or scares them off.


And for irony, you said Paragon is self-righteous, naive and other thing but you never played as one.

Isn't that a little self-righteous to say.


I played Paragon, Renegade, Paragade and Renegon and I really didn't have a problem playing it for the most part nor that any one of them is in wrong.

Oh boy. By saying no, I never played as one what I meant is none of my canon Shepards or import Shepards from either ME1 or ME2 are Paragons. That's not to say I have absolutely no experience at all with Paragon dialogue. I suppose I should have clarified that. Usually that's what people mean when they talk about "playing as paragon."

[KotorEffect3]

Mesina2 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Actualy it is the reapers that turn humans into husks.

That's not what I see here.

Also Geth are allied with Reapers, isn't that bad enough?

That is only from an ME 1 perspective,  our perception on the geth changes in ME 2 when we run into legion and ME 2 confirms that husks come from reaper tech.  If you are trying to argue that our perception of batarians may change in ME 3 it is always possible but from what we know batarians are despised for good like I said it may change in ME 3 but I doubt it, and yes prior to running into legion I was no fan of the geth.

[Jonathan Shepard]

As a Colonist and Sole Survivor, I hate them. At least Cerberus brought me back from death.

[Agamo45]

They killed Shepard's parents, they attacked Elysium, they tried to destroy Terra Nova, they hit that colony in ME2 with nuclear missles. They're terrorist bastards.

[Reptilian Rob]

I will only say this, if you "Hate" the Batarians, you unintentionally "hate" the Quarians as well. Since at the beginning of the Geth war they started a mass genocide to protect their interests and themselves to exterminating Geth enclaves and systems. Same as the Batarians did with the Human populace, to protect their colonies and themselves.

[MegaBadExample]

Agamo45 wrote...

They killed Shepard's parents, they attacked Elysium, they tried to destroy Terra Nova, they hit that colony in ME2 with nuclear missles. They're terrorist bastards.

 And they smell funny.

[GnusmasTHX]

They're just annoying people... They're the kind of kid who doesn't get dessert for misbehaving, so they run away from home and every night egg their own house.

[marshalleck]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I will only say this, if you "Hate" the Batarians, you unintentionally "hate" the Quarians as well. Since at the beginning of the Geth war they started a mass genocide to protect their interests and themselves to exterminating Geth enclaves and systems. Same as the Batarians did with the Human populace, to protect their colonies and themselves.

Don't even start with the quarians. If you want to have that discussion for the 700th time, start your own thread.

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 juin 2011 - 08:38 .

[Clover Rider]

Aradace wrote...

rabidhanar wrote...

some might disagree with that opinon Some Geth...
Pointless is debatable. Some cultures have different laws or customs depending on race.

In an ideal universe, everyone gets along while holding hands and sitting around a camp fire while singing Kumbah-frickin-yaa lol.  Personally, Im not for racism or against it.  I dont hate the batarians because of their race, I hate them because of their government.  Also, to clarify, the term "racism" is often misused.  Racism is typically described as having hatred for all races other than ones own.  Where as Prejudice (think I spelled that right? lol) is often described as hating/disliking one or a few. 

People who disagree with the fact/my opinion that being racist is pointless are foolish just try to show me that I am wrong.

Oh and if you hate their government that's fine and all but to want the race to all die because of said government? that is also foolish.

Modifié par Some Geth, 11 juin 2011 - 08:40 .

[Aradace]

Some Geth wrote...

Aradace wrote...

rabidhanar wrote...

some might disagree with that opinon Some Geth...
Pointless is debatable. Some cultures have different laws or customs depending on race.

In an ideal universe, everyone gets along while holding hands and sitting around a camp fire while singing Kumbah-frickin-yaa lol.  Personally, Im not for racism or against it.  I dont hate the batarians because of their race, I hate them because of their government.  Also, to clarify, the term "racism" is often misused.  Racism is typically described as having hatred for all races other than ones own.  Where as Prejudice (think I spelled that right? lol) is often described as hating/disliking one or a few. 

People who disagree with the fact/my opinion that being racist is pointless are foolish just try to show me that I am wrong.

Oh and if you hate their government that's fine and all but to want the race to all die because of said government? that is also foolish.

You're perfectly capable of having that opinion and I understand where you're coming from.  I dont agree with you, but I understand it.  Diplomacy is great....when it works.   Sometimes, diplomacy isnt the answer.  Only an optimistic, idealistic and naive child believes that diplomacy can solve everything.