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[Fixers0]

That all the maopr Renegade choices from Mass Effect 1&2 will be punished in the way that they will be getting less support for the final battle.

Let's just take a look at it:

.1 Killed the Rachni queen - No help from the Rachni during the Game.
.2 Let the Citadel Council die - Council Races will be a lot harder to persuade.  
.3 Destroyed the Genophage data - Krogan will not be able to help in a significant way.
.4 Destroyed the heretic Geth - Geth won't have enough forces to fully to battle the Reaper.
.5 Sell Legion to Cerberus - All geth will be hostile, and you will have not Geth ally at all.
.6 Presented the truth at Tali's trial -Migrant fleet too conflicted an not being able to help much. 

Now well their could be scenarios in which Renegade choices would have a positive impact in on story, it seems likely that because the plot is about gathering races who needs to be both willing and able to take back earth, and  from what i can make up from articles and interviews the Renegade players will have much less resources available to combat the Reapers in the end.

As small example of a scenario that makes a Renagde option actually worth choosing , is that if you chose rewrite the Geth, an even larger portion of the Geth will come to the conclusion thart worshipping the Reapers is the most logical thing to do, were as you decide to be  save and just destroy them, the geth will be able to make choice to help earth (after some perssuasion of course).

This Scenario also makes more sense since you are still fighting geth, and by destroying the Heretic station you did not destroyed all of the remaining heretic Geth meaning they are still out their.


All opinions, suggestions, comments are welcome as long as it remains civil.

Modifié par Fixers0, 11 juin 2011 - 02:39 .

[Bogsnot1]

Seriously, you didnt see this coming?

[Fixers0]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Seriously, you didnt see this coming?

if you have got nothing constructive to contribute to this  thread (and considering the Majority of your post consist of one or two lines usally meant to insult people because the think different then you do, many other threads to) then please stay away from it.  

[Dannyboy9876]

You can be renegade AND make good choices, you know.

I accidentally deleted the Genophage Data on my latest play-through. >_<

[bleetman]

Actions have consequences? Oh, the horror. If only I'd known!

As far as I'm aware, gassing the rachni queen causes them to be unavailable, yes. It also means there won't be a horde of indoctrinated rachni husks running around under reaper control. The Turian response to the death of the council seems to have involved dialing their military ship manufacture to eleven. I imagine they'll come in handy.

[Turran]

LOL, look at what you did, now look at the result.. How is that infact NOT logical or the correct way to go?

Oh dear :') Sometimes the brain-capacity of people..

[tomorrowstation]

These consequences seem in line with the Renegade "go it alone, I don't need you" general attutude.

[Kronner]

Renegade Shepard does not need help. Renegade Shepard can win alone. Easily. Actually, Renegade Shepard honors fair play..gotta give the Reapers a decent chance, at least.

[Whatever42]

I suspect renegade will be fine in the end. Bioware has shafted the dark side yet in their games.

[Lumikki]

Fixers0 wrote...

All opinions, suggestions, comments are welcome as long as it remains civil.

You make assumtion that they HELP, some of them could also betray you and be AGAIST you.
So if you killed them , they aren't there to be agaist you...

Modifié par Lumikki, 11 juin 2011 - 02:58 .

[Fixers0]

bleetman wrote...

Actions have consequences? Oh, the horror. If only I'd known!

As far as I'm aware, gassing the rachni queen causes them to be unavailable, yes. It also means there won't be a horde of indoctrinated rachni husks running around under reaper control. The Turian response to the death of the council seems to have involved dialing their military ship manufacture to eleven. I imagine they'll come in handy.

Yeah, some rachni will be hostile, but some interviews seem to indicate that the Rachni are also their to help you.
On the other hand, why would Turians be willing to use their new dreadnaugths to help some humans, if they are being attacked by the reapers themselfs. how could retaking earth for a day or two be of anything meaningfull? 

Turran wrote...

LOL, look at what you did, now look at the result.. How is that infact NOT logical or the correct way to go?

Oh dear :') Sometimes the brain-capacity of people..

Bioware als said that Paragon and Renagde is not the traditional good and bad  

Modifié par Fixers0, 11 juin 2011 - 02:56 .

[zweistein_J]

you know... there's renegade with stupid choices and renegade with good choices...

i would agree with Bogsnot1.
Seriously, you didnt see this coming?

Modifié par zweistein_J, 11 juin 2011 - 02:57 .

[JetsoverEverything]

Dannyboy9876 wrote...

You can be renegade AND make good choices, you know.

I accidentally deleted the Genophage Data on my latest play-through. >_<

there all good choices. renegade is just willing to sacrifice more or not take any chances.

idk why people think renegade is EVIL, CH said that there is no good and evil in ME.

[Antivenger]

Punished? I'd say it's a different path in the story. You act like a jerk to everyone and you honestly expect to get a happy ending?

[Gibb_Shepard]

Fixers0 wrote...

That all the maopr Renegade choices from Mass Effect 1&2 will be punished in the way that they will be getting less support for the final battle.

Let's just take a look at it:

.1 Killed the Rachni queen - No help from the Rachni during the Game.
.2 Let the Citadel Council die - Council Races will be a lot harder to persuade.  
.3 Destroyed the Genophage data - Krogan will not be able to help in a significant way.
.4 Destroyed the heretic Geth - Geth won't have enough forces to fully to battle the Reaper.

Gah, the Heretic geth made up 5% of the Geth as a whole. Their destruction don't mean **** when it comes to numbers

[RoboticWater]

Fixers0 wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Actions have consequences? Oh, the horror. If only I'd known!

As far as I'm aware, gassing the rachni queen causes them to be unavailable, yes. It also means there won't be a horde of indoctrinated rachni husks running around under reaper control. The Turian response to the death of the council seems to have involved dialing their military ship manufacture to eleven. I imagine they'll come in handy.

Yeah, some rachni will be hostile, but some interviews seem to indicate that the Rachni are also their to help you.
On the other hand, why would Turians be willing to use their new dreadnaugths to help some humans, if they are being attacked by the reapers themselfs. how could retaking earth for a day or two be of anything meaningfull? 

Turran wrote...

LOL, look at what you did, now look at the result.. How is that infact NOT logical or the correct way to go?

Oh dear :') Sometimes the brain-capacity of people..

Bioware als said that Paragon and Renagde is not the traditional good and bad  

They also described renagade as the person who does thing by him/herself those choices reflect that.

[Eveninglost]

You don't have to make those choices. I play primarily paragon, but I made quite a few major renegade decisions because I thought they were the right choices. My renegade saved the Council and Wrex in ME1. She got through Tali's trial without revealing the truth,so I fail to see the problem. Paragons can get her exiled which is just as bad.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

.1 Killed the Rachni queen - No rachni exist.  No powerful ground forces for the the Reapers.
.2 Let the Citadel Council die - Other races are less able to form a cabal against humanity.  Easier to sway race to race.
.3 Destroyed the Genophage data - The remaining Krogan are more organized under Wrex's leadership.  Better military.
.4 Destroyed the heretic Geth - Their corpses are scavenged by the friendly Geth and "rewritten."
.5 Sell Legion to Cerberus - Reverse engineering his comm array grants the ability to spy on Geth thinking.
.6 Presented the truth at Tali's trial - The migrant fleet grows up.  They settle a new world and join their fleet to Shepard's.

[Whatever42]

Remember ME1 - humanity can't rely on the other races and needs to stand alone.

In ME3 they will have the citadel. They will have the collector base. They will have the results of Cerberus research at Overlord.

I doubt renegades don't get the "recruit the other races" quests so they can still get help from the galaxy, if they want it.

Ultimately, Shepard will defeat the Reapers. If the other races don't help as much, then renegade Shepards gets what they want, humanity stands alone and triumphs. They become a power in the galaxy all in their own right. The population of Earth, seeing how the other races didn't help, become even more Earth-first and xenophobic.

Again, Bioware won't shaft the renegades. They just have a different path, one they chose.

[Hatchetman77]

I'm still holding out hope that destroying the heretics and not repragramming them was the way to go.  I'm thinking that the reintroduction of the Geth heritics into the Geth will trigger all Geth becomming heritics as whatever calculation error that caused the heritics to leave will now be intergrated into all Geth.  So I think Renegade Shepards get the Geth and Paragon Shepards have to fight them (Legion might have to isolate his program to avoid the Geth indocternation, possably using EDI).    

As someone also mentioned before you'll also have a much larger and much more battle ready Turian military that will side with you if their survival depends on it.  Renegade Shepard could easily give a badass speech to rally the Turians.  Also, as a result of the Turian militarization we can expect the alliance military to have responded to that in kind and have a much larger and more battle ready military than the Paragon Shepard would.    

[Bogsnot1]

Fixers0 wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...
Seriously, you didnt see this coming?

if you have got nothing constructive to contribute to this  thread (and considering the Majority of your post consist of one or two lines usally meant to insult people because the think different then you do, many other threads to) then please stay away from it.

I dont insult people who think differently than I do. I just insult people who dont think at all.
What is there to discuss? Renegades who kill everyone in their path, and only look out for themselves will naturally have a harder time gaining allies, to combat the Reaper threat, if they can find anyone willing to ally themselves with such a person to begin with.
Given that these sorts of threads appear a couple of times a week, from people too lazy to see if one already exists, and everything that can be said has been said, what sort of response did you honestly expect

Fixers0 wrote...
All opinions, suggestions, comments are welcome as long as it remains civil.

Next time I'll have a great, big, shiney warning, just for you.

[samurai crusade]

Generally.... as far as the big decisions.... renegade options result in the dealth of an NPC.  So of course it punishes the users because there is no advancement of said NPC

[raist747]

There is no good or evil in the traditional sense in the Mass Effect games. I performed quite a few Paragon actions just to manipulate people to my own ends here and there.

[onelifecrisis]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Seriously, you didnt see this coming?

I didn't. At least, not exactly. For example, I thought that saving the collector base would possibly lead to Shepard defeating the reapers and Cerberus/humanity establishing themselves as the new Galactic Empire, reaper tech and all, possibly even with Shepard taking over as the new Illusive Man or Emperor.

[Sidac]

time for the rise of my new rachni, geth, krogan, human council!