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[Fixers0]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...
Seriously, you didnt see this coming?

if you have got nothing constructive to contribute to this  thread (and considering the Majority of your post consist of one or two lines usally meant to insult people because the think different then you do, many other threads to) then please stay away from it.

I dont insult people who think differently than I do. I just insult people who dont think at all.
What is there to discuss? Renegades who kill everyone in their path, and only look out for themselves will naturally have a harder time gaining allies, to combat the Reaper threat, if they can find anyone willing to ally themselves with such a person to begin with.
Given that these sorts of threads appear a couple of times a week, from people too lazy to see if one already exists, and everything that can be said has been said, what sort of response did you honestly expect

Fixers0 wrote...
All opinions, suggestions, comments are welcome as long as it remains civil.

Next time I'll have a great, big, shiney warning, just for you.

(snip)

Seriously, 

I'm just trying to set up a discussion about  renegade choices being very likely to have a negative outcome which i don't find fair, if you think it is fair then you could't have post that right way, instead of making such an offensive comment.   

And if you want to derail my thread, by making other believe that i don't have the ability to be objective then i'm afraid that i'm going to report you, for insulting people on their opinion and questioning their common knowledge .

[NobodyofConsequence]

In ME1, give Servicewoman Battalia's (sp?) corpse to the alliance and the Alliance will develop better defences against the Geth, and attract more recruits, by ME2. Take the Paragon path and return her body to her husband and you get a free meal at a cafe next time you're on Earth... well, maybe not the next time. There's a couple more along these lines, where small Paragon choices might well mean a weaker Alliance in ME3.

[Bogsnot1]

Go ahead and report. I'm more than willing to face, and accept, the consequences of my actions.
My initial comment was not insultnig, it was incredulous. Seriously, how could you not see negative repercussions to renegade actions coming? How could you not be willing to accept the consequences of acting like a douchebag?

Go ahead and report. It seems complaining is your forte.

[Dexi]

Fixers0 wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...
Seriously, you didnt see this coming?

if you have got nothing constructive to contribute to this  thread (and considering the Majority of your post consist of one or two lines usally meant to insult people because the think different then you do, many other threads to) then please stay away from it.

I dont insult people who think differently than I do. I just insult people who dont think at all.
What is there to discuss? Renegades who kill everyone in their path, and only look out for themselves will naturally have a harder time gaining allies, to combat the Reaper threat, if they can find anyone willing to ally themselves with such a person to begin with.
Given that these sorts of threads appear a couple of times a week, from people too lazy to see if one already exists, and everything that can be said has been said, what sort of response did you honestly expect

Fixers0 wrote...
All opinions, suggestions, comments are welcome as long as it remains civil.

Next time I'll have a great, big, shiney warning, just for you.

(snip)

Seriously, 

I'm just trying to set up a discussion about  renegade choices being very likely to have a negative outcome which i don't find fair

... either I'm on acid or you're on retard pills :-S sorry, no insult intended...

Of course renegades will be somewhat punished, that's what happens when you kill people, let people die and act like a jackass, people will turn they're back on you when you need their help, DUH! 

You complain that the Rachni won't help you because you killed her? Well of ****ing course it won't help it, IT'S DEAD! 

That's how **** works... if you're an ass you either:
1) loose for failing lolalalo
2) are badass enough to work your stuff out by yourself and show the middle-finger to the rest...

Now, which kind of renegade are you? 



P.S. The Rachni, apparently will help you as much as make your problems, because it's already confirmed that there will be Rachni husks... 

[88mphSlayer]

who cares, you're going to win regardless

[Hatchetman77]

There was no way giving the reaper base to TIM could have turned out well.  Best case scenerio would be that TIM does in fact take out the Reapers and then you have to take down that Machavillian mofo yourself with his super reaper tech.  That crafty bastard would probably find a way to indocternate the reapers himself, then you'd be really screwed.  I actually think that's what should have happened if you didn't destroy the collector base in ME2.  How many Superman comics have Lex Luthor charm someone in the storyling to give him something he needs and you're thinking "Nooooooo, don't do it, Lex is fooling you.  Don't be an idiot!!!"  Guess what Renegades, you just got snowballed by Lex Luthor.

No matter what I pick I go full renegade in my responses to TIM after I blow up the base.  The first reply to TIM ****ing you out for blowing up the base is "I'm sorry, I can't hear you, I'm getting a lot of bull**** on this line" is actually the only time TIM goes a bit on the defensive in any conversation that I can remember from the game.  The next conversation choice of "The Reapers are comming.  I'm going to stop them.  You can either get on board or step aside, but don't get in my way."  just cranks the badass meter to 11. To me blowing up the collector base because you're ****ing Shepard and you'll take down the Reapers somehow without the Reaper tech 'cause you're such a badass then telling TIM that you're taking his **** and that he workes for YOU now is by far way more renegade than saving the collector base because you're crapping your pants that the Reapers are comming. 

Modifié par Hatchetman77, 11 juin 2011 - 08:02 .

[Winterfly]

Council dying = Turian fleet mass producing ships = Good.

[Hatchetman77]

Dexi wrote...
... either I'm on acid or you're on retard pills :-S sorry, no insult intended...

wha...???  How could you possably make that statement without intending to insult someone.

[yfullman]

There were actually far more traditional geth than heretics. I think the paragon choice was wrong for that one.

[eternalnightmare13]

Fixers0 wrote...

That all the maopr Renegade choices from Mass Effect 1&2 will be punished in the way that they will be getting less support for the final battle.

Let's just take a look at it:

.1 Killed the Rachni queen - No help from the Rachni during the Game.
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Maybe it's just speculation, don't recall exactly, supposedly the rachni in ME3 won't all be on your side.  Whether they're Cerebus' deffects from ME1 or indoctrinated/husks I don't know but saving her could bite you in the ass, too.
Whether or not there are ''good'' rachni that aide you too if you saved her remains to be seen.  Regardless, despite your example I don't think any choice will be so black and white in ME3.  There's been reference to indoctrinated asari.

Who's to say that some geth don't revert back to the Reapers?  Remember Overlord?  Maybe Cerebus has some geth under their control in greater number since you didn't napalm them all when you had a chance at the base.

Despite what some think there's no ''good'' or ''evil'' in the choices you make in ME.  And I'd be surprised if in ME3 paragon choices make you the annointed one.  It just means that it maybe a little easier in ME3.  Judging from the demo/trailers the **** has hit the fan and no one is gonna have an ''easy'' time.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Sure, being a renegade may mean you have less troops to defend the galaxy, but you have less to defend in the first place. I'd guess ME1's style of renegade being pro-humanity is going to come back into play--while pure paragons are busy trying to equal out troops to save everyone, renegades use their smaller army to save Earth and humanity first.

[BubbleSauce]

I did the opposite of all of these except for the krogan data, which I deleted, like it says in my profile description, I'm to much of a pansy to play renegade...

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

If you're going to make bad or evil decisions and kill off your potential allies, then I think you should have to face the music.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 11 juin 2011 - 08:07 .

[javierabegazo]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Seriously, you didnt see this coming?

Lol, pretty much this. Being Pro-human, and near selfish, and then expecting the galaxy to come to our aid so fast as they would do when we've been helpful to them is pretty silly.

[Ozzyfan223]

you all want it to be more realistic. If you chose those options then you should be screwed. Thats what would really happen >->

[iAmLegion2183]

Renegade Shepard - "Insanity difficulty level too easy, need a real challenge. Solution? Kill all potential allies in ME1 & 2."

Defeat Reapers then bask in awesomeness of oneself. "I did it my way, F**K YEAH."

[RobsanX]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

To me blowing up the collector base because you're ****ing Shepard and you'll take down the Reapers somehow without the Reaper tech 'cause you're such a badass then telling TIM that you're taking his **** and that he workes for YOU now is by far way more renegade than saving the collector base because you're crapping your pants that the Reapers are comming. 

I agree. That's why my paragon Shep saved the collector base. Maybe Shep is lazy and wants TIM to take out the reapers, and when Shep wakes up from his nap he puts a bullet in TIM's glowing eye.

[Oblivious]

OMG you mean that shooting people rather than talking to them makes enemies? Say it ain't so!

[jbblue05]

The rest of the galaxy will be dealing with the Reapers also I doubt it will be a huge difference between the amount of allies Paragons and Renegades get..

Renegades are not selfish they are pragmatic.


Paragons are selfish they do whatever makes them and their friends happy

Making Anderson councilor because Udina was mean to you.
Hiding the evidence at Tali's trial
Giving Tali Geth Incursion data as a gift
Destroying the base because you don't like TIM
etc. etc.

[EsterCloat]

.1 Killed the Rachni queen - No help from the Rachni during the Game.
According to what we know about ME3, the Reapers have gotten their hands on at least a few rachni and have huskified them. It's certainly possible that the rachni have been compromised and are unable to give assistance in any significant way of they were compromised to a large degree, especially so if the queen(s) was indoctrinated, taken or killed. Renegades possibly won't have to deal with the rachni at all as a threat due to offing them early on, thus depriving the Reapers of a race to huskify.
.2 Let the Citadel Council die - Council Races will be a lot harder to persuade.  
This one is complicated. While the turians will definitely be bitter, the asari and salarians might just decide to fall in line through a human led council. Of course, this seems unlikely, I was just positing that it might not be all bad.
.3 Destroyed the Genophage data - Krogan will not be able to help in a significant way.
Probably. There's some scenarios possible but aren't very likely. Concede the point.
.4 Destroyed the heretic Geth - Geth won't have enough forces to fully to battle the Reaper.
The heretics geth were only 5% of the total geth and most of those were wiped out by the Alliance sweeps after the battle of the Citadel. What the heretic geth brought to the table wasn't numbers, it's knowledge. Those guys were around Sovereign for a whole game and its possible they have insight into them that could help us find a way of beating them. On the other hand, the knowledge they bring might convince the geth that fighting them is hopeless and they might be more reluctant to fight and would require more work on Shepard's part to convince them than if he had just wiped out the heretics.
.5 Sell Legion to Cerberus - All geth will be hostile, and you will have not Geth ally at all.
If Legion doesn't escape Cerberus custody, they have no reason to be hostile to Shepard. For all they know, Legion got trapped on the derelict Reaper and crashed with it into the gas giant. Legion might just smooth out the integration process if you got him.
.6 Presented the truth at Tali's trial -Migrant fleet too conflicted an not being able to help much.
Yeah, you're pretty much screwed by this. But you had like four other options, including a renegade save Tali, why would you ever do this?

Modifié par EsterCloat, 11 juin 2011 - 08:20 .

[KainrycKarr]

Er, you realize we fight Geth Heretics and Rachni husks, right? They've shown it in gameplay videos.

[SalsaDMA]

Going by the PR stuff Bioware have laid out so far, I don't think any of the choices will make things easier or harder for you.

It'll just mean the differences between wether you get werewolves or elves.

[aragfore03]

There are different ways to spin this.

1. Killing the rachni queen could be a positive thing as the reapers could indoctrinate them upon arrival.
2. Letting the council die leads to the Turians building more dreadnoughts than allowed by treaty. Helpful in the final battle as long as you get the Turians to fight.
3. Making kasumi destroy the data protects the Alliance reputation.
4. Helping zaeed get his vengeance eliminates a notorious gang leader, which could pay dividends later.
5. Leaving the collector base intact may seem to help the Illusive Man, and maybe it does. However, it could also be a pivotal tool for Shepard to use at the end anyway.

I'm sure things will trend in the paragons favor but there are some renegade decisions which may prove to be more favorable. I expect ME3 to be full of twists and turns and think people shouldn't assume they have the consequences of our decisions figured out already.