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[yfullman]

 During the book Mass Effect: Retribution, the Reapers speak through the story's protagonist, and it is during one of these instances that we find out that like the Citadel, Omega is another Reaper construct. What role do you think this will play in ME3.  And before anyone says "NUUUOOo, da Codex says Omega was made by da protheans stoopid!"  Remember, that the codex also says the Citadel was made by the protheans and that the Reapers are a myth.

[Khayness]

Well it broke in half, that doesn't sound good for any kind of weapon.

[SSJ5]

Wasn't Omega built by modern races?

Modifié par SSJ5, 11 juin 2011 - 08:28 .

[Wulfram]

It's in the middle of nowhere, and anyway what do the Reapers need a superweapon for?

[SamT3N7]

SSJ5 wrote...

Wasn't Omega built by modern races?

Yes it was.  I remember reading the part the op was talking about and Grayson said nothing about Omega being a Reaper construct.  Omega was orignally a mining operation on an astroid which eventually became what it is now: a lawless space station.

[yfullman]

SamT3N7 wrote...

SSJ5 wrote...

Wasn't Omega built by modern races?

Yes it was.  I remember reading the part the op was talking about and Grayson said nothing about Omega being a Reaper construct.  Omega was orignally a mining operation on an astroid which eventually became what it is now: a lawless space station.

That was no longer Grayson talking. And he said something along the lines of the other races building chaos ontop of his creation over the centuries but each of those would pass and how only his works were truly eternal. Or something like that lol

[yfullman]

Wulfram wrote...

It's in the middle of nowhere, and anyway what do the Reapers need a superweapon for?

middle of nowhere...conviently 3 feet away from the only relay that linked to the collector base?

[SamT3N7]

yfullman wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

SSJ5 wrote...

Wasn't Omega built by modern races?

Yes it was.  I remember reading the part the op was talking about and Grayson said nothing about Omega being a Reaper construct.  Omega was orignally a mining operation on an astroid which eventually became what it is now: a lawless space station.

That was no longer Grayson talking. And he said something along the lines of the other races building chaos ontop of his creation over the centuries but each of those would pass and how only his works were truly eternal. Or something like that lol

I understand it was the Reapers talking through Grayson so maybe I should have written that differently.  Either way Omega was created by those who were mining the astroid.  It also never says anything about the Protheans building it.  I also would like to point out that Grayson/Reapers never directly say anything about Omega, I'm almost sure in this case that he/they were referring to the Mass Relays and the Citadel.

[SSJ5]

yfullman wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

SSJ5 wrote...

Wasn't Omega built by modern races?

Yes it was.  I remember reading the part the op was talking about and Grayson said nothing about Omega being a Reaper construct.  Omega was orignally a mining operation on an astroid which eventually became what it is now: a lawless space station.

That was no longer Grayson talking. And he said something along the lines of the other races building chaos ontop of his creation over the centuries but each of those would pass and how only his works were truly eternal. Or something like that lol

Nope, I'm pretty sure that codex says that it was built in the modern times. I mean you can't not know something like that. The Protheans tried to mine the asteroid, but abandoned it as not cost effective. Then sometime after their extinction, another similar asteroid collided with Omega asteroid, and cracked it in half, exposing element zero. Modern races found it and mined it almost hollow. Omega was built upon that.

[yfullman]

SamT3N7 wrote...

yfullman wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

SSJ5 wrote...

Wasn't Omega built by modern races?

Yes it was.  I remember reading the part the op was talking about and Grayson said nothing about Omega being a Reaper construct.  Omega was orignally a mining operation on an astroid which eventually became what it is now: a lawless space station.

That was no longer Grayson talking. And he said something along the lines of the other races building chaos ontop of his creation over the centuries but each of those would pass and how only his works were truly eternal. Or something like that lol

I understand it was the Reapers talking through Grayson so maybe I should have written that differently.  Either way Omega was created by those who were mining the astroid.  It also never says anything about the Protheans building it.  I also would like to point out that Grayson/Reapers never directly say anything about Omega, I'm almost sure in this case that he/they were referring to the Mass Relays and the Citadel.

hmm maybe your right. Now that I think about it maybe he was just ridiculing Omega.  

[TUHD]

yfullman wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

SSJ5 wrote...

Wasn't Omega built by modern races?

Yes it was.  I remember reading the part the op was talking about and Grayson said nothing about Omega being a Reaper construct.  Omega was orignally a mining operation on an astroid which eventually became what it is now: a lawless space station.

That was no longer Grayson talking. And he said something along the lines of the other races building chaos ontop of his creation over the centuries but each of those would pass and how only his works were truly eternal. Or something like that lol

That was the Reapers.... I'll be quoting the book from this point on (I've got the book near me, so handy bookcases )

He would have made even better time if he wasn't constantly slowing down to study various structural and architectural features of the station. He had seen it all before of course, but he almost felt like he was looking at it through fresh eyes: taking every detail and comparing it against some half-remembered blueprint he didn't actually ever remember seeing.
The cycle continues. Each civilization brings change, yet the works of our kind are eternal.
Omega was known for the haphazard, piecemeal way it had been constructed. Most believed that it had been carved from the heart of an ancient asteroid by the Protheans eons ago, but over the centuries any number of species had left their mark on it. Its discordant style gave it an almost random feel. And though it had never bothered him before, for some reason he now found the chaos offensive on a deep philosophical level.

Modifié par TUHD, 11 juin 2011 - 08:51 .

[SamT3N7]

yfullman wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

yfullman wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

SSJ5 wrote...

Wasn't Omega built by modern races?

Yes it was.  I remember reading the part the op was talking about and Grayson said nothing about Omega being a Reaper construct.  Omega was orignally a mining operation on an astroid which eventually became what it is now: a lawless space station.

That was no longer Grayson talking. And he said something along the lines of the other races building chaos ontop of his creation over the centuries but each of those would pass and how only his works were truly eternal. Or something like that lol

I understand it was the Reapers talking through Grayson so maybe I should have written that differently.  Either way Omega was created by those who were mining the astroid.  It also never says anything about the Protheans building it.  I also would like to point out that Grayson/Reapers never directly say anything about Omega, I'm almost sure in this case that he/they were referring to the Mass Relays and the Citadel.

hmm maybe your right. Now that I think about it maybe he was just ridiculing Omega.  

Refer to Mass Effect: Ascension and Mass Effect: Redemption.  Omega was established by Bartarians and outcast Salarians who were mining the astroid if my memory serves correctly. 

[yfullman]

Thanks @TUHD! I couldn't find my copy of the book. It was that "Each civilization brings change, yet the works of our kind are eternal" quote that first got me thinking but Im starting to believe it was just one more Reaper trolling lol...

[yfullman]

But then again that 'half-remembered blueprint line' hints that the Reapers built it

[TUHD]

For those looking for what I quoted, it's on page 233. @Yfullman: No problem. What got me wondering though, is the fact that Grayson (or better said, the Reapers) seem to try to remember an blueprint of the station. Which is strange, unless the Reapers were involved in the construction of Omega.

[SamT3N7]

[quote]He would have made even better time if he wasn't constantly slowing down to study various structural and architectural features of the station. He had seen it all before of course, but he almost felt like he was looking at it through fresh eyes: taking every detail and comparing it against some half-remembered blueprint he didn't actually ever remember seeing.
The cycle continues. Each civilization brings change, yet the works of our kind are eternal.
Omega was known for the haphazard, piecemeal way it had been constructed. Most believed that it had been carved from the heart of an ancient asteroid by the Protheans eons ago, but over the centuries any number of species had left their mark on it. Its discordant style gave it an almost random feel. And though it had never bothered him before, for some reason he now found the chaos offensive on a deep philosophical level.[/quote]
[/quote]

This could allow you to infer that it was the Reapers who built it but it isn't directly said.  I would guess that it is an astroid that has been mined by many species throughout the cycles.  Also does Omega look like it is a Reaper construct?  Because last time I looked it was a space station crudley built into an astroid, not a marvel like the Citadel or the Relays.  Also why would the Reapers bother with building a space staion in the middle of an astroid belt?  It doesn't serve a purpose like the Citadel or the Relays.  The Reapers may have noticed this over the cycles but it was simply an astroid when modern species found it.

Modifié par SamT3N7, 11 juin 2011 - 09:01 .

[Alex06]

TUHD wrote...

yfullman wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

SSJ5 wrote...

Wasn't Omega built by modern races?

Yes it was.  I remember reading the part the op was talking about and Grayson said nothing about Omega being a Reaper construct.  Omega was orignally a mining operation on an astroid which eventually became what it is now: a lawless space station.

That was no longer Grayson talking. And he said something along the lines of the other races building chaos ontop of his creation over the centuries but each of those would pass and how only his works were truly eternal. Or something like that lol

That was the Reapers.... I'll be quoting the book from this point on (I've got the book near me, so handy bookcases )

He would have made even better time if he wasn't constantly slowing down to study various structural and architectural features of the station. He had seen it all before of course, but he almost felt like he was looking at it through fresh eyes: taking every detail and comparing it against some half-remembered blueprint he didn't actually ever remember seeing.
The cycle continues. Each civilization brings change, yet the works of our kind are eternal.
Omega was known for the haphazard, piecemeal way it had been constructed. Most believed that it had been carved from the heart of an ancient asteroid by the Protheans eons ago, but over the centuries any number of species had left their mark on it. Its discordant style gave it an almost random feel. And though it had never bothered him before, for some reason he now found the chaos offensive on a deep philosophical level.

If the book contradicts the game's lore; The game is the main way of telling the story, whereas the books are side-stories or spin-offs. So the real continuity is the game's and that's the one that's considered as canon.

It's not the first time that a video game novel contradicts the game's lore; It's happened with Command & Conquer and StarCraft. With C&C, the novel was simply ignored. (Michael McNeil, the GDI Commander from Tiberian Sun being alive when he really died shortly after the end of that game, GDI Juggernaut APUs (they're real mechs in the game, NOT APUs like Gundamn "mechs") using railguns and being phased out during the 3rd Tiberium War, GDI not having energy weapons, GDI using Tiberium-based plasma rifles as their first energy weapon...Too much contradiction with past games) With StarCraft, they ret-conned the story. The player character was removed (Zerg, Terran) or made an actual character (Protoss), and the events in the original Zerg campaign were altered. There was also an issue with the Valkyrie (space frigate) being Confederate ships when they're UED ships actually; In that last case, the game's lore took over the novels. Ironically, that novel was written by the same writer who wrote the C&C novel: Keith R.A. DeCandido...And he's not very good with video game novels IMO. He uses the same awful replacements for swear words and creates ridiculous vocabulary and contradicts much of the games' lore. I hope he never writes a ME novel!

And if you think about it, the Reapers DID build modern civilization in the ME universe. Their constant extermination of the galaxy's races has caused these races to rise up and take control over the citadel and use the relays, and as a result, perhaps construct Omega. The Reapers are kind of the masters of everyone's fate, and are the reason for Omega existing, in a sense. That's how I'd interpret it, explain it or ret-con it if I were a BioWare/ME lore specialist.

Modifié par Alex06, 11 juin 2011 - 09:05 .

[yfullman]

Maybe its just a little Science experiment the Reapers are running. Both the Citadel and Omega link to dozens of Mass Relays but the Citadel is a controlled environment, via the keepers, while Omega is just left to whoever finds it.

[SamT3N7]

TUHD wrote...

For those looking for what I quoted, it's on page 233. @Yfullman: No problem. What got me wondering though, is the fact that Grayson (or better said, the Reapers) seem to try to remember an blueprint of the station. Which is strange, unless the Reapers were involved in the construction of Omega.

I'm pretty sure it was said that Omega was constructed by modern species in some other ME material.  It could be that the Protheans or some other speices that was wiped out by the Reapers mined it but I do believe that the space station part of Omega was built more recently.

[SamT3N7]

Alex06 wrote...

TUHD wrote...

yfullman wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

SSJ5 wrote...

Wasn't Omega built by modern races?

Yes it was.  I remember reading the part the op was talking about and Grayson said nothing about Omega being a Reaper construct.  Omega was orignally a mining operation on an astroid which eventually became what it is now: a lawless space station.

That was no longer Grayson talking. And he said something along the lines of the other races building chaos ontop of his creation over the centuries but each of those would pass and how only his works were truly eternal. Or something like that lol

That was the Reapers.... I'll be quoting the book from this point on (I've got the book near me, so handy bookcases )

He would have made even better time if he wasn't constantly slowing down to study various structural and architectural features of the station. He had seen it all before of course, but he almost felt like he was looking at it through fresh eyes: taking every detail and comparing it against some half-remembered blueprint he didn't actually ever remember seeing.
The cycle continues. Each civilization brings change, yet the works of our kind are eternal.
Omega was known for the haphazard, piecemeal way it had been constructed. Most believed that it had been carved from the heart of an ancient asteroid by the Protheans eons ago, but over the centuries any number of species had left their mark on it. Its discordant style gave it an almost random feel. And though it had never bothered him before, for some reason he now found the chaos offensive on a deep philosophical level.

If the book contradicts the game's lore; The game is the main way of telling the story, whereas the books are side-stories or spin-offs. So the real continuity is the game's and that's the one that's considered as canon.

It's not the first time that a video game novel contradicts the game's lore; It's happened with Command & Conquer and StarCraft. With C&C, the novel was simply ignored. (Michael McNeil, the GDI Commander from Tiberian Sun being alive when he really died shortly after the end of that game, GDI Juggernaut APUs (they're real mechs in the game, NOT APUs like Gundamn "mechs") using railguns and being phased out during the 3rd Tiberium War, GDI not having energy weapons, GDI using Tiberium-based plasma rifles as their first energy weapon...Too much contradiction with past games) With StarCraft, they ret-conned the story. The player character was removed (Zerg, Terran) or made an actual character (Protoss), and the events in the original Zerg campaign were altered. There was also an issue with the Valkyrie (space frigate) being Confederate ships when they're UED ships actually; In that last case, the game's lore took over the novels. Ironically, that novel was written by the same writer who wrote the C&C novel: Keith R.A. DeCandido...And he's not very good with video game novels IMO. He uses the same awful replacements for swear words and creates ridiculous vocabulary and contradicts much of the games' lore. I hope he never writes a ME novel!

And if you think about it, the Reapers DID build modern civilization in the ME universe. Their constant extermination of the galaxy's races has caused these races to rise up and take control over the citadel and use the relays, and as a result, perhaps construct Omega. The Reapers are kind of the masters of everyone's fate, and are the reason for Omega existing, in a sense. That's how I'd interpret it, explain it or ret-con it if I were a BioWare/ME lore specialist.

But Retribution was written by Drew Karpynshyn, one of the writers of the games, so I think there is continuity, were just not seeing it.

[SamT3N7]

Edit: Sorry for the double post.

Modifié par SamT3N7, 11 juin 2011 - 09:10 .

[TUHD]

SamT3N7 wrote...

He would have made even better time if he wasn't constantly slowing down to study various structural and architectural features of the station. He had seen it all before of course, but he almost felt like he was looking at it through fresh eyes: taking every detail and comparing it against some half-remembered blueprint he didn't actually ever remember seeing.
The cycle continues. Each civilization brings change, yet the works of our kind are eternal.
Omega was known for the haphazard, piecemeal way it had been constructed. Most believed that it had been carved from the heart of an ancient asteroid by the Protheans eons ago, but over the centuries any number of species had left their mark on it. Its discordant style gave it an almost random feel. And though it had never bothered him before, for some reason he now found the chaos offensive on a deep philosophical level.

This could allow you to infer that it was the Reapers who built it but it isn't directly said.  I would guess that it is an astroid that has been mined by many species throughout the cycles.  Also does Omega look like it is a Reaper construct?  Because last time I looked it was a space station crudley built into an astroid, not a marvel like the Citadel or the Relays.  Also why would the Reapers bother with building a space staion in the middle of an astroid belt?  It doesn't serve a purpose like the Citadel or the Relays.  The Reapers may have noticed this over the cycles but it was simply an astroid when modern species found it.

As a matter of fact, since the Collector base seem to have been build for the repurposed Protheans, it might be that it (Omega) was already there when the Reapers harvested the Protheans, and that the Reapers only had the Protheans modify it, or that the Reapers had constructed it to begin with as an hiding place for the expected outcasts, away from the expected seat of power at the Citadel.
Either way, I doubt the Omega 4 Relay was a coïncidence to be there. Also, read the book and take a closer look ingame. Both reference to the Protheans as the commonly believed constructors. The Salarians and others only mined it a bit further out.

Alex06 wrote...

TUHD wrote...

yfullman wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

SSJ5 wrote...

Wasn't Omega built by modern races?

Yes
it was.  I remember reading the part the op was talking about and
Grayson said nothing about Omega being a Reaper construct.  Omega was
orignally a mining operation on an astroid which eventually became what
it is now: a lawless space station.

That was no
longer Grayson talking. And he said something along the lines of the
other races building chaos ontop of his creation over the centuries but
each of those would pass and how only his works were truly eternal. Or
something like that lol

That was the Reapers.... I'll be quoting the book from this point on (I've got the book near me, so handy bookcases )

He
would have made even better time if he wasn't constantly slowing down
to study various structural and architectural features of the station.
He had seen it all before of course, but he almost felt like he was
looking at it through fresh eyes: taking every detail and comparing it
against some half-remembered blueprint he didn't actually ever remember
seeing.
The cycle continues. Each civilization brings change, yet the works of our kind are eternal.
Omega
was known for the haphazard, piecemeal way it had been constructed.
Most believed that it had been carved from the heart of an ancient
asteroid by the Protheans eons ago, but over the centuries any number of
species had left their mark on it. Its discordant style gave it an
almost random feel. And though it had never bothered him before, for
some reason he now found the chaos offensive on a deep philosophical
level.

If the book contradicts the game's lore;
The game is the main way of telling the story, whereas the books are
side-stories or spin-offs. So the real continuity is the game's and
that's the one that's considered as canon.

It's not the first
time that a video game novel contradicts the game's lore; It's happened
with Command & Conquer and StarCraft. With C&C, the novel was
simply ignored. (Michael McNeil, the GDI Commander from Tiberian Sun
being alive when he really died shortly after the end of that game,
GDI Juggernaut APUs (they're real mechs in the game, NOT APUs like
Gundamn "mechs") using railguns and being phased out during the 3rd
Tiberium War, GDI not having energy weapons, GDI using Tiberium-based
plasma rifles as their first energy weapon...Too much contradiction with
past games) With StarCraft, they ret-conned the story. The player
character was removed (Zerg, Terran) or made an actual character
(Protoss), and the events in the original Zerg campaign were altered.
There was also an issue with the Valkyrie (space frigate) being
Confederate ships when they're UED ships actually; In that last case,
the game's lore took over the novels. Ironically, that novel was written
by the same writer who wrote the C&C novel: Keith
R.A. DeCandido...And he's not very good with video game novels IMO. He
uses the same awful replacements for swear words and creates ridiculous
vocabulary and contradicts much of the games' lore. I hope he never
writes a ME novel!

And if you think about it, the Reapers
DID build modern civilization in the ME universe. Their constant
extermination of the galaxy's races has caused these races to rise up
and take control over the citadel and use the relays, and as a result,
perhaps construct Omega. The Reapers are kind of the masters of
everyone's fate, and are the reason for Omega existing, in a
sense. That's how I'd interpret it, explain it or ret-con it if I were a
BioWare/ME lore specialist.

As for the book vs. the game, remember at the start of both ME1 (Sovereign) as well as ME2 (Cerberus trying to blow up an ship at the flotilla, which got referenced by Tali) books got quoted and established as cannon. Don't underestimate it. Besides, both from the books aswell as ingame we've got that much crossreferences about things commonly thought Prothean but in fact of Reaper origin, don't start on the origins. Besides, the novels of ME get written (except for the 4th book which will appear soon) by the (former) lead writer Drew Karpshyn, responsible for the ME-story. That's different from an C&C novel-writer.

Modifié par TUHD, 11 juin 2011 - 09:18 .

[SSJ5]

Please stop quoting everything.

[Kusy]

Books are canon. End of story.
Thus Omega was originaly build by the Reapers just as the Citadel was. I, myself was thinking about this OP. Chances are high the station will play a role in ME3.

[SamT3N7]

TUHD wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

He would have made even better time if he wasn't constantly slowing down to study various structural and architectural features of the station. He had seen it all before of course, but he almost felt like he was looking at it through fresh eyes: taking every detail and comparing it against some half-remembered blueprint he didn't actually ever remember seeing.
The cycle continues. Each civilization brings change, yet the works of our kind are eternal.
Omega was known for the haphazard, piecemeal way it had been constructed. Most believed that it had been carved from the heart of an ancient asteroid by the Protheans eons ago, but over the centuries any number of species had left their mark on it. Its discordant style gave it an almost random feel. And though it had never bothered him before, for some reason he now found the chaos offensive on a deep philosophical level.

This could allow you to infer that it was the Reapers who built it but it isn't directly said.  I would guess that it is an astroid that has been mined by many species throughout the cycles.  Also does Omega look like it is a Reaper construct?  Because last time I looked it was a space station crudley built into an astroid, not a marvel like the Citadel or the Relays.  Also why would the Reapers bother with building a space staion in the middle of an astroid belt?  It doesn't serve a purpose like the Citadel or the Relays.  The Reapers may have noticed this over the cycles but it was simply an astroid when modern species found it.

As a matter of fact, since the Collector base seem to have been build for the repurposed Protheans, it might be that it (Omega) was already there when the Reapers harvested the Protheans, and that the Reapers only had the Protheans modify it, or that the Reapers had constructed it to begin with as an hiding place for the expected outcasts, away from the expected seat of power at the Citadel.
Either way, I doubt the Omega 4 Relay was a coïncidence to be there. Also, read the book and take a closer look ingame. Both reference to the Protheans as the commonly believed constructors. The Salarians and others only mined it a bit further out.

But the Collector Base was away from the eyes of civilized space so why would the Reapers care about the quality of the architecture.  If Omega was in fact a Reaper constuct I believe it would share more similarities with the Citadel and the Relays because species would interact with it more.

Modifié par SamT3N7, 11 juin 2011 - 09:23 .