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Fixing Bioware's problem with "lead male henchmen"

Débuté par clerkenwell , juin 11 2011 11:48

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RyuGuitarFreak
Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:21

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Mr. Sniper Rifle wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

He's already there. He's called Garrus.


Naw... Garrus is Batman on steroids. :P

What we need is a devilish, charming male individual in the style of Bond or Solo.


Except Batman doesn't shoot people. And for those comic book fans out there who says he does, those comics in which he does, are for the most part, terrible.

He's the Punisher.  I will release Franken-Castle on anyone who disagrees.

Edit: Too slow.

Yeah. I always thought of his comic book reference with his renegade attitude to the Punisher more than Batman. Anyway, not everyone knows comic books these days.:?

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Dapper Pomegranate
Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:22

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Massadonious1 wrote...

Just bring back HK-47 for every game, even if it isn't Star Wars related.

I support this.

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nitrog100
Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:26

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I don't think we really have a problem there. You're thinking about a specific character type. There are already characters with way more personality.

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:28

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Like I said in another thead, the reason why most of Kaidan's supporters are female (or gay) is because he had very, very little to say to male Shepard on ME1.

Example: Immediately after Eden Prime, male Shepard can talk to Ashley.  Female Shepard can talk to Ashley and Kaiden.  See where I'm going with this?

Jacob, on the other hand, was more interesting to me.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 12 juin 2011 - 01:28 .

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AllenShepard
Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:32

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Kaidan is awesome. Saying otherwise is blaspheming! Jacob is the only bad character in the Mass Effect series.

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Kusy
Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:32

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Zaeed.
/thread

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:33

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BickDutt wrote...

"He cracks wise, has a certain roguish charm He's a little rough on the outside, but his heart's in the right place and he always come through in the end."

You literally just gave the description for Garrus.

Iknowright?

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BickDutt
Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:35

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Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Like I said in another thead, the reason why most of Kaidan's supporters are female (or gay) is because he had very, very little to say to male Shepard on ME1.

Example: Immediately after Eden Prime, male Shepard can talk to Ashley.  Female Shepard can talk to Ashley and Kaiden.  See where I'm going with this?

Jacob, on the other hand, was more interesting to me.


Garrus had less dialogue than a lot of these characters.

Look where that took him. No, it's really just that Kaidan and Jacob are awful characters (or awfully handled)

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:36

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AllenShepard wrote...

Kaidan is awesome. Saying otherwise is blaspheming! Jacob is the only bad character in the Mass Effect series.


At least Jacob has an internet meme. Kaidan literally has nothing noteworthy.

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Massadonious1
Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:37

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He got blown up. That was pretty noteworthy.

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Kusy
Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:38

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Massadonious1 wrote...

He got blown up. That was pretty noteworthy.


Oh I love those jokes!
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BickDutt
Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:39

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Massadonious1 wrote...

He got blown up. That was pretty noteworthy.


5 stars post

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kaiki01
Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:49

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I thought Garrus was the lead male henchman for ME2?

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Shishmish
Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:52

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Hmm, I think that the reason for Bioware putting generic good guys as Henchmen may be so that players who dont want to chose between shades of gray dont feel out of place. Characters like Carth, Alistair, Keidan or Jacob are all for doing "the right thing" no matter what, which in my opinion just makes them generic and not interesting at all. I actually like Atton Rand from KotOR 2 as a lead henchman, as he is a more complicated persona than you initially think. I also wouldnt mind having someone like Tychus Findlay from SC2 to be the devil on my shoulder, in SC he proved to be way cooler than generic Matt Horner. It can work.

Modifié par Shishmish, 12 juin 2011 - 01:53 .

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:57

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Personally, I think we have enough 'Han Solo' types. And I agree the 'lead human males' have been somewhat lacking in personality. I'd like someone like Carver; belligerent and hard to please (a little like Jack, but not so crazy), a guy with something to prove who is constantly trying to one-up Shepard, maybe with some connection to Shepard's backstory...

But I'm probably the only one. Nobody loves Carver. :(

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 01:58

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Personally, I think we have enough 'Han Solo' types. And I agree the 'lead human males' have been somewhat lacking in personality. I'd like someone like Carver; belligerent and hard to please (a little like Jack, but not so crazy), a guy with something to prove who is constantly trying to one-up Shepard, maybe with some connection to Shepard's backstory...

But I'm probably the only one. Nobody loves Carver. :(


Carver was actally pretty good. I liked that he always clashed with Hawke. It made for a nice change of pace.

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 02:02

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Lunatic LK47 wrote...

AllenShepard wrote...

Kaidan is awesome. Saying otherwise is blaspheming! Jacob is the only bad character in the Mass Effect series.


At least Jacob has an internet meme. Kaidan literally has nothing noteworthy.


He has the best femshep romance.

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 02:03

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Yeah, I heavily disliked the male human LI options in the game. Both Jacob and Kaidan were so dull, imo, and I bet Vega won't be any different 'cuz he's just another alliance marine. Oh well, aliens it is.

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 02:03

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Personally, I think we have enough 'Han Solo' types. And I agree the 'lead human males' have been somewhat lacking in personality. I'd like someone like Carver; belligerent and hard to please (a little like Jack, but not so crazy), a guy with something to prove who is constantly trying to one-up Shepard, maybe with some connection to Shepard's backstory...

But I'm probably the only one. Nobody loves Carver. :(

 


I love Carver. <3

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BickDutt
Posté 12 juin 2011 - 02:05

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Seboist wrote...

He has the best femshep romance.


Oh yeah, like Luke had the best romance with Leia

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 02:06

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Lizardviking wrote...

Carver was actally pretty good. I liked that he always clashed with Hawke. It made for a nice change of pace.

Me too, I thought it was way more interesting to have a character that wasn't constantly fawning over the PC. It was refreshing to hear something other than the usual two responses, "I totally agree!" or "I disagree, but you know best so I trust you!"

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 02:10

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Carver was actally pretty good. I liked that he always clashed with Hawke. It made for a nice change of pace.

Me too, I thought it was way more interesting to have a character that wasn't constantly fawning over the PC. It was refreshing to hear something other than the usual two responses, "I totally agree!" or "I disagree, but you know best so I trust you!"


True. But as soon as a character dares to speak against the player most will instantly hate him or her "points at VS, Liara pre-LOTSB and Carver". Guess most can't stand having their ego get hurt.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 12 juin 2011 - 02:11 .

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 02:28

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Lizardviking wrote...

True. But as soon as a character dares to speak against the player most will instantly hate him or her "points at VS, Liara pre-LOTSB and Carver". Guess most can't stand having their ego get hurt.

Jack and Fenris get a lot of heat too. Basically "character who doesn't suck up to me" = "stupid and should die" for a lot of players, which makes no sense to me. I tend to be the opposite, I find the characters who are consistently agreeable (Bethany, Kaidan, Kelly, Dawn Star, etc.) to be the least entertaining.

But anyway, back on-topic. I think the big problem with Vega is that he's there as a mouthpiece for new players. I feel like that ups his chances of being likable but boring. If anything he's going to be the Luke to Shepard's Han, not the other way around. :mellow:

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 02:31

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My one problem with Kaiden was that he sounded far too much like someone I truly hated. Someone truly awful. Someone who made me almost despise the first 4 hours of one of my favorite games ever. (Hint: I ****ing hate Carth Onasi)

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Posté 12 juin 2011 - 02:36

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Rake21 wrote...

My one problem with Kaiden was that he sounded far too much like someone I truly hated. Someone truly awful. Someone who made me almost despise the first 4 hours of one of my favorite games ever. (Hint: I ****ing hate Carth Onasi)

Mockery: "Oh Master, I do not trust you! I cannot trust you, or anyone ever again!"
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