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[SilentK]

Is there any way to get the tread onto more of a ME3 happy tone? I'm guessing Vega. I really want to romance Joker with my FemShep, but I would be happy to share with MaleShep as well. They haven't said anything about a new female squad member as far as I know so I guess that won't be happening. Wait and see I guess.

[Spatchmo]

SilentK wrote...

Is there any way to get the tread onto more of a ME3 happy tone? I'm guessing Vega. I really want to romance Joker with my FemShep, but I would be happy to share with MaleShep as well. They haven't said anything about a new female squad member as far as I know so I guess that won't be happening. Wait and see I guess.

I'm sure there will be another female squad mate for the ladies. I would be really surprised if there weren't.

[Pax of Doom]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Abiogenist wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

So I'll rant about it, because I'm stubborn and annoying like that.

Thank you for thyself's self-evaluation.

Now, can we ignore this fellow and talk about MShep gettin' some Kaidan-lovin'?

Now there's a strong pair of legs.....

Finally, A. J. "Ace" Shepard can have his heart's desire.    "Smoke me a kipper Kaidan, Joker needs me on the bridge".

[KawaiiKatie]

SilentK wrote...

Is there any way to get the tread onto more of a ME3 happy tone? I'm guessing Vega. I really want to romance Joker with my FemShep, but I would be happy to share with MaleShep as well. They haven't said anything about a new female squad member as far as I know so I guess that won't be happening. Wait and see I guess.

We need more general info on Vega! In fact, I want more information on Vega strictly so I can start writing manShep/Vega fanfiction.

[Whatever42]

ReconTeam wrote...

Since several of you have moved onto these ridiculous "you must want FemShep removed" arguments (despite the fact that you probably represent a smaller playerbase than FemShep engineers) lets apply thas type of thinking here. Surely you support "optional content for whoever wants it" surely you must support every outlandish demand individuals on these forums make. Hope you're a-okay with Bioware spending a ton of effort doing some whole Tali-wedding scenario, because people want it, and it would be optional. How about devoting half the game to find a cure for Thane? How are we ever going to get time to stop the reapers?

Animations, dialouge, writing, it all takes work. Work that could be better spent elsewhere in this case. Now unpredictably, I think mine is the reasonable viewpoint and yours is anything but. You aren't trying to keep crayons in a box, you're trying to stuff new crayons in a box because you like the color and dammit, so should everybody else.

You're entitled to your views on xenophila, just as I'm entitled to mine on homosexuality. Yet the market should be the driving factor here, and Captain James T. Kirk was quite an influence.

I 100% agree that fan-service can be carried to ridiculous degrees. I also agree that no particular group should expect every game to cater to them. I will repeat, however, that most of the petitioners in the s/s romance petition thread did not seem to be demanding anything; merely asking for a particular option just as you today have Thane fans asking for a cure. I agree that Bioware is not obligated to honour any of their requests and that not honouring those requests is not a sign of bigotry or evil in any sense.

However, I believe this thread was just created to express gratitude that a particular request was honoured. While a few might expect that it was their right to have that request honoured, I don't don't believe it was the majority opinion.

[shepskisaac]

SilentK wrote...
They haven't said anything about a new female squad member as far as I know so I guess that won't be happening. Wait and see I guess.

I think most assume new human female will be new s/s option for FemShep.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 12 juin 2011 - 07:59 .

[Ryzaki]

SilentK wrote...

Is there any way to get the tread onto more of a ME3 happy tone? I'm guessing Vega. I really want to romance Joker with my FemShep, but I would be happy to share with MaleShep as well. They haven't said anything about a new female squad member as far as I know so I guess that won't be happening. Wait and see I guess.

I wish we had a better screenie of Vega. That blurr screenie does him little justice.

And Joker would be awesome as the m/m option. I can only daydream. Him expressing survivor guilt over Shep's death...and his "you're not leaving me again!" during the everyone dies ending.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 juin 2011 - 08:02 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
Yes, I'm asking for equal representation when female Shepard is allowed to be gay, but male Shepard cannot. There can certainally be more straight, lesbain, or bisexual females than gay or bisexual males aboard the Normandy, but until Mass Effect 3, gay male Shepard has not had a single chance to express his sexuality the way gay female Shepard has been with Liara, Kelly, and half a dozen assorted Asari.

I do not consider it an "absurd" demand to ask for equal treatment. If female Shepard can be openly gay, male Shepard should have the option to be openly gay. Bioware agrees, and I couldn't be happier.

No one here has demanded a "change" in any existing characters. Yes, we have girlishly sighed and wistfully imaged how fun it would be if Kaidan at last returned gay male Shepard's affections, but no one here has demanded it. We maintain our view that it would not be a "retcon" for Kaidan or any other character to become bisexual, but this is a conceit I will grant you, because I can honestly understand why you would feel that way. I do not agree with your side, but I understand it.

I do, however, continue to disagree that we who favour bisexual Kaidan are making "absurd demands." We aren't demanding anything except some sort of male homosexuality in ME3. Yes, we would be delighted with bisexual Kaidan, but we aren't demanding it. You have every right to hope for Kaidan to remain restricted to females, and we have every right to hope that he'll become available to males. Neither of us, however, have the right to demand either one.

Why this assumption that everything is the same? The truth is many male players find FemShep on Liara action hot, and nothing's wrong with Bioware for going where the money is. In terms of # of players, probably more males were doing that romance than lesbians.

It isn't about equal treatment, it's a game, an entertainment product. You honestly believe you're getting descriminated agaisnt if a developer doesn't give you what you want? With this sort of thinking how do you operate in the real world? If FemShep can be a lesbian, MaleShep should be able to be gay? Says who? I don't see the basis for this assumption.

Ask, demand, it often depends on the tone. And the tone has always seemed to be more of a demand. For example, FemShep can sleep with Liara, so Bioware "owes" you gay MaleShep? It's this sense of entitlement.

Your Dragon Age counterparts got their ultimate goal in DA2, and it did contribute to the game's lackluster quality. "Everybody is bisexual" simply isn't good writing, nor make for a better experience.

[J. Finley]

Knew this would happen.

[tmk]

ReconTeam wrote...
The history of mankind? Civilized standards of acceptance? The history of mankind is about war, power, violence, greed, and people looking out for their own interests.

If that was all it was ever about, we'd still be swingin on the trees.

ReconTeam wrote...
Adding gay romances to pander to an audience because today's society has these bass-ackwards standards of "political correctness" isn't some historical landmark. And it is just that, pandering. It is all development time and resources that could be used on greater things.

You know, even looking at it from the point of view of greed and looking out for own interests... adding s/s romances to the game would likely add less than one percent to development costs. If the inclusion of said content will increase sales even by just two percent, that's over 100% return on investment - totally worth it. In comparison, adding more gore, violence and like - isn't really likely to significantly increase the sales, and could in fact decrease them.

So really it comes down to the question of who is a smaller minority - gay people or people that absolutely can't deal with gay content in their games. Well, guess what, seeing how Bioware have already released two titles with s/s content and planning to add it to Mass Effect franchise, it looks like you're the one in the minority 

[HogarthHughes 3]

If a couple of the men from previous games (or maybe a new guy or two) decide they're interested in maleshep, thats perfectly cool with me. What I'd rather not happen is every character turn bisexual. Honestly though, I kinda want Bioware to have more gay and straight characters, rather than bisexuals. I know that would limit content and will likely not happen because people wouldn't like it, and its not because I have something against bisexuals (hell my preferred LIs are Liara and Kelly). But really, the idea of all possible love interests being "Shepardsexual" a la DA2 annoys me. Sexual preference is part of a persons identity, however unimportant it is. If a few people happen to be Bi, cool, but all of them?

[Inquisitor Recon]

tmk wrote...
If that was all it was ever about, we'd still be swingin on the trees.

You know, even looking at it from the point of view of greed and looking out for own interests... adding s/s romances to the game would likely add less than one percent to development costs. If the inclusion of said content will increase sales even by just two percent, that's over 100% return on investment - totally worth it. In comparison, adding more gore, violence and like - isn't really likely to significantly increase the sales, and could in fact decrease them.

So really it comes down to the question of who is a smaller minority - gay people or people that absolutely can't deal with gay content in their games. Well, guess what, seeing how Bioware have already released two titles with s/s content and planning to add it to Mass Effect franchise, it looks like you're the one in the minority 

A 1% increase in development costs? That's still a good sum of money. Use it elsewhere! I don't see how sales would be increased considering that most of the people demanding this content bought the previous two games and would have bought the third anyway. They probably did it so some Gaider type could do some interviews, make a big deal about it, and all of the hipsters using their Macbooks at Starbucks will read it and praise them for it.

I think you'd be surprised at the number of more conservative types playing this game.

[jlb524]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

If a couple of the men from previous games (or maybe a new guy or two) decide they're interested in maleshep, thats perfectly cool with me. What I'd rather not happen is every character turn bisexual. Honestly though, I kinda want Bioware to have more gay and straight characters, rather than bisexuals. I know that would limit content and will likely not happen because people wouldn't like it, and its not because I have something against bisexuals (hell my preferred LIs are Liara and Kelly). But really, the idea of all possible love interests being "Shepardsexual" a la DA2 annoys me. Sexual preference is part of a persons identity, however unimportant it is. If a few people happen to be Bi, cool, but all of them?

Why is it annoying though?  It can't be due to realism, as all romances are unrealistic in many others ways...even in ME/DA:O the romanceable characters will go for any PC regardless of things like class/race/morality...which is also 'annoying' but I don't see why it matters anyway.

[thejshman]

I'm Commander Shepard, and Kaidan Alenko is my favorite power bottom.

[ForumPortal]

Can we all just let my thread drop or be ignore?

[Clover Rider]

ReconTeam wrote...

tmk wrote...
If that was all it was ever about, we'd still be swingin on the trees.

You know, even looking at it from the point of view of greed and looking out for own interests... adding s/s romances to the game would likely add less than one percent to development costs. If the inclusion of said content will increase sales even by just two percent, that's over 100% return on investment - totally worth it. In comparison, adding more gore, violence and like - isn't really likely to significantly increase the sales, and could in fact decrease them.

So really it comes down to the question of who is a smaller minority - gay people or people that absolutely can't deal with gay content in their games. Well, guess what, seeing how Bioware have already released two titles with s/s content and planning to add it to Mass Effect franchise, it looks like you're the one in the minority 

A 1% increase in development costs? That's still a good sum of money. Use it elsewhere! I don't see how sales would be increased considering that most of the people demanding this content bought the previous two games and would have bought the third anyway. They probably did it so some Gaider type could do some interviews, make a big deal about it, and all of the hipsters using their Macbooks at Starbucks will read it and praise them for it.

I think you'd be surprised at the number of more conservative types playing this game.

What does being conservative have anything to do with this?

[Abiogenist]

thejshman wrote...

I'm Commander Shepard, and Kaidan Alenko is my favorite power bottom.

*nosebleed*

Bioware, please show some scene like that (ala ME1 style) and I swear I'll be your Biodrone forevhur!

[Inquisitor Recon]

It is late here but let it be known I'd still argue this if I could, because I'm stubborn like that. My personal views aside, I simply don't see this as a good use of Bioware's time and money and I really don't like the prospect of existing characters being changed around.

If I didn't get a chance to respond to your posts, you don't get a refund. This topic can now turn into people discussing Kaidan's legs or something else horribly creepy and or obnoxious.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 12 juin 2011 - 08:17 .

[shepskisaac]

thejshman wrote...

I'm Commander Shepard, and Kaidan Alenko is my favorite power bottom.

haha xD

Abiogenist wrote...
*nosebleed*

Bioware, please show some scene like that (ala ME1 style) and I swear I'll be your Biodrone forevhur!
[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]

Lol I suspect tons of "I am COmmander Shepard and this is..." easter eggs in ME3 xD

ForumPortal wrote...

Can we all just let my thread drop or be ignore?

You've added this nonsense retcon argument to the title, you're susprised people who are anti-gay and use this excuse all the time cannot resist this thread now?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 12 juin 2011 - 08:19 .

[Pax of Doom]

ReconTeam wrote...

Why this assumption that everything is the same? The truth is many male players find FemShep on Liara action hot, and nothing's wrong with Bioware for going where the money is. In terms of # of players, probably more males were doing that romance than lesbians.

Maybe the real problem is that we're sexualizing video game sprites.  Or that we as a society tend to oversexualize everything.

If FemShep can be a lesbian, MaleShep should be able to be gay? Says who? I don't see the basis for this assumption.

Says my Role Playing, my experience.  And yes, my money.  Like it or not, every company panders to their client.  If they don't they lose customers.

So here's a question for you:  If FemShep can be a lesbian, why can't MaleShep be gay?  What makes one more legit?  And if you use the argument "well it wasn't in the previous 2 games" the counterargument is that 1. ME3 is still in development so it can make its way in, and 2. the option wasn't in the previous 2, that doesn't exclude the possibility.

[Blacklash93]

Another pointless argument with ReconTeam? Shocker.

[Jedi warden]

OH NO MAKER NOOOOOO! NO BISEXUAL MALE IN MASS EFFECT FFS ! SHEPARD CANT.... i cant even speak of it leave Shepard alone plz its not Dragon age damn it !

[HogarthHughes 3]

jlb524 wrote...

Why is it annoying though?  It can't be due to realism, as all romances are unrealistic in many others ways...even in ME/DA:O the romanceable characters will go for any PC regardless of things like class/race/morality...which is also 'annoying' but I don't see why it matters anyway.

Perhaps I'm just prejudiced, but it feels very contrived to me when every possible LI (well, assuming there is more than 1 or 2) doesn't at all care that the protagonist is male or female.  Like I said, sexual orientation is a part of a persons identity and everyone being bisexual feels like a cop out.