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[Terror_K]

Pepper4 wrote...

Even though I'd rather characters not to wear catsuites, I think you people should chill down a little. This matter is SO minor.
It's like you are going on a crusade or something. This is merely character outfits we are talking about!

It may seem minor to you, but the fact is to many of us it makes a complete mockery and farce of a mostly otherwise solid and well-thought-out sci-fi universe. I ask you: how would you feel about the consistency and integrity of the Mass Effect universe if suddenly in ME3 quarians walked around anywhere and everywhere wearing normal getup instead of their environmental suits for no real reason and with no explanation? Because if you actually think about it properly and not just at a glance, it's on pretty much the same level as far as IP inconsitency, impracticality and stupidity goes. Again, you can't have a major plot-point being the main character dying from exposure to the dangers of space and then spend the entirety of the rest of the game acting so damn cavalierly about said dangers. Either space is dangerous, unknown and scary or it isn't. You can't respect it for what it is one moment and then just wave it off so casually the next for the sake of style and nothing else.

And that's the worst thing of all: it's all about style and that's pretty much it. There's absolutely no gameplay reason AT ALL for choosing this manner of "dressing" the main cast in a sci-fi epic that's supposed to be about exploration, the unknown and the dangers of space as much as anything else. As much as things like the thermal clips may be a logical nightmare with more plotholes than a motheaten lace tablecloth, at least they have a logical gameplay reason to be.

[CroGamer002]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Wow, opened another topic on this? You really love attention I see.

This is pointless. It will keep going around in circles. People who dislike Ashley's outfit will voice their opinions, people who like it will voice theirs, arguments crop up, mods warn people, Bioware continues work as usual.

It's just stereotypical man with badass big armor and woman in tight "armor" and show of her boobs in battle.

Bioware can and should do more then that.

Actually, Ashley isn't showing her boobs. All I see is face and neck. Zaeed shows more skin than her.

So unless Ashley has really long neck, you're wrong.


Also Liara doesn't have same thing with her light armor. Why should Ashley have?

And why should she had that in the first place while Kaidan heavy armor, despite being Biotic?

[Gheth O]

Does romances are immersion breaker too ?

[FictionalBreger]

Mesina2 wrote...
I don't dislike her outfit. I dislike that it's her combat gear.
That's dumb.

And same for Kaidan to have heavy armor since he's a Biotic.
He's the one that should have light armor.



It's just stereotypical man with badass big armor and woman in tight "armor" and show of her boobs in battle.

Bioware can and should do more then that.

Do you know, truly KNOW, that the outfit Ashley was wearing in the demo is her combat outfit?
Then kudos to you, you have played the game before anyone else! Was it any good?
Seriously, you're guessing that she'll wear it in combat but you don't know yet. BioWare has, as far as I'm aware, said nothing about this yet. They might, or they might not.
Also, Kaidan should only wear light armor, because he's a biotic? So should Shepard, if he's an Adept. But he wears the same "clunky"-looking armor pieces as the other classes. Don't see you complaining there.
Just wait and see what BioWare says about this whole combat-casual look and let them crumble your hopes for "Ashley-made" combat gear. Or make you incredibly happy as they reveal "Armor suits for everyone!"

[Rogue Unit]

ScepticMatt wrote...

Pepper4 wrote...
I think you people should chill down a little. This matter is SO minor. 

It may be a minor issue for you, but is a immersion-breaker for others.

And Bioware not putting Kaidan in a catsuit is immersion-breaking for me.:innocent:

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 12 juin 2011 - 11:35 .

[Pepper4]

Liisi wrote...

Pepper4 wrote...

Even though I'd rather characters not to wear catsuites, I think you people should chill down a little. This matter is SO minor.
It's like you are going on a crusade or something. This is merely character outfits we are talking about!

Characters that we're going to end up staring at for, I dunno, 40 hours and up?

And every single second of these 40 hours is gonna be painful and immersion-breaking just because they changed some costumes? give me a break...

Don't get me wrong. I WANT my characters to wear proper suits. I WANT ME3 to be scientificly (I can't write in english) accurate. But I also don't understand what's the big deal. There is absolutly no reason to rage about this. 
to put it simple: I think you are  over-reacting.

Rogue Unit wrote...
And Bioware not putting Kaidan and a catsuit is immersion-breaking for me.

Modifié par Pepper4, 12 juin 2011 - 11:34 .

[Bluko]

shinobi602 wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

If it were a real vacuum, it'd matter. Since it's a game, it doesn't.

B-b-b-but it breaks their immerrrsionzzz!!!

So immersion means nothing?

Oh well I guess it doesn't matter if you save the Council or not in ME1, cause in ME2 there always dead! Your right though fans don't care about immersion! We don't care about things making sense, we just want to play the game! Who cares if I killed Wrex in ME1, but now in ME3 he magically returns for no reason. Doesn't brake immersion for me, so if it does for you.. well too bad!

If you are a fan of this series I'm sure immersion matters to you, whether you admit it or not. Don't begrudge others for asking that something as basic as wearing a full suit in space or hazardous environment as being too trite to maintain immersion. Most 10 year olds would think it's stupid if Shepard could breathe in space. So why wouldn't an adult? Just because the game is fictional doesn't mean there's total exlcusion of realism.

Modifié par Bluko, 12 juin 2011 - 11:47 .

[Rogue Unit]

Mesina2 wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Wow, opened another topic on this? You really love attention I see.

This is pointless. It will keep going around in circles. People who dislike Ashley's outfit will voice their opinions, people who like it will voice theirs, arguments crop up, mods warn people, Bioware continues work as usual.

It's just stereotypical man with badass big armor and woman in tight "armor" and show of her boobs in battle.

Bioware can and should do more then that.

Actually, Ashley isn't showing her boobs. All I see is face and neck. Zaeed shows more skin than her.

So unless Ashley has really long neck, you're wrong.


Also Liara doesn't have same thing with her light armor. Why should Ashley have?

And why should she had that in the first place while Kaidan heavy armor, despite being Biotic?

That's her chest, not her breast. And Zaeed still shows more skin.

[The Elder King]

Mesina2 wrote...


I don't dislike her outfit. I dislike that it's her combat gear.
That's dumb.

And same for Kaidan to have heavy armor since he's a Biotic.
He's the one that should have light armor.



It's just stereotypical man with badass big armor and woman in tight "armor" and show of her boobs in battle.

Bioware can and should do more then that.

This. I like Ashley outfit, but I hope that I can choose a proper armour for battle.
On Kaidan, I have to say that I like his armour. Especially because I hate light armour in ME on him (and even on Garrus and Wrex), though I'd be just fine if it's armour is similar to the ME2  medium armor too.
Anyway, I hope that they'll make different outfit. In the N7 Collector's Edition it seems that there will be an alternate appareance for some squadmate, including Ashley. I hope that her alternate pack will be an armour.

[sissysouthpaw]

ScepticMatt wrote...

Pepper4 wrote...
I think you people should chill down a little. This matter is SO minor. 

It may be a minor issue for you, but is a immersion-breaker for others.

It's perplexing how people keep telling us to chill down, shut up, stop hating and crusading and dog knows what, while I thought we were just having a discussion and asking questions. Oh well.

[FluffyScarf]

There's a tiny, almost invisible amount of side boobage. Very disappointed. Or maybe Ash thinks it'll look good on her?

[Ahriman]

I find it rather funny that all this problem may be solved by adding one alternate outfit for one character, which by EA standarts costs around 66 cents.

[CroGamer002]

FictionalBreger wrote...

Do you know, truly KNOW, that the outfit Ashley was wearing in the demo is her combat outfit?
Then kudos to you, you have played the game before anyone else! Was it any good?
Seriously, you're guessing that she'll wear it in combat but you don't know yet. BioWare has, as far as I'm aware, said nothing about this yet. They might, or they might not.

James Vega is in combat armor.

Why isn't she too?

Also, Kaidan should only wear light armor, because he's a biotic? So should Shepard, if he's an Adept. But he wears the same "clunky"-looking armor pieces as the other classes. Don't see you complaining there.
Just wait and see what BioWare says about this whole combat-casual look and let them crumble your hopes for "Ashley-made" combat gear. Or make you incredibly happy as they reveal "Armor suits for everyone!"

There was not light, medium nor heavy armor in ME2 for Shepard.

ME1 in other hand has. Guess what, Adept Shepard can't wear heavy armor in ME1.
Also every Biotic, including Thane and Jacob, didn't wear heavy armor like Grunt, Garrus and Zaeed in ME2.

[CroGamer002]

Rogue Unit wrote...

That's her chest, not her breast. And Zaeed still shows more skin.

Yeah, on his arms!
That's ridiculous comparison.

[FluffyScarf]

What? You've never heard of a woman commenting on how amazing forearms are? Hugh Laurie's forearms!

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 11:42 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Pepper4 wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Pepper4 wrote...

Even though I'd rather characters not to wear catsuites, I think you people should chill down a little. This matter is SO minor.
It's like you are going on a crusade or something. This is merely character outfits we are talking about!

Characters that we're going to end up staring at for, I dunno, 40 hours and up?

And every single second of these 40 hours is gonna be painful and immersion-breaking just because they changed some costumes? give me a break...

Don't get me wrong. I WANT my characters to wear proper suits. I WANT ME3 to be scientificly (I can't write in english) accurate. But I also don't understand what's the big deal. There is absolutly no reason to rage about this. 
to put it simple: I think you are  over-reacting.

Oh, now we're raging? You haven't been around the internet much, have you? <_<
I said nothing about painful and immersion-breaking but yeah, I, for one, do have a tendency to leave out characters that annoy me for some reason. Like Miranda, who got to stay on the Normandy pretty much all game long.

[sissysouthpaw]

Wizz wrote...

I find it rather funny that all this problem may be solved by adding one alternate outfit for one character, which by EA standarts costs around 66 cents.

I know, right?

[Bluko]

Wizz wrote...

I find it rather funny that all this problem may be solved by adding one alternate outfit for one character, which by EA standarts costs around 66 cents.

Oh I'm sure they'll do this. We just might have to wait 3 months or year before we can buy it, which is the sucky part. I suppose I could wait til ME3 hits the bargain bin and then pick it up once all the Appearence Pack DLC is released.

Personally I'd just rather get it right away and pay $60.66  (not including tax). Or better yet maybe it could be one of those free release DLCs. Or even better Ashley having an alternate suit that's actually armor could just be included in the game. Haven't lots of people asked for Squad Armor Customization before? Bah who wants a feature like that! Giving players more options just ruins the game!

[FluffyScarf]

Well Ash annoyed me in M1. Glad she was left behind to arm the nuke. :innocent:

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 11:46 .

[FictionalBreger]

Mesina2 wrote...

James Vega is in combat armor.

Why isn't she too?

We don't know. Maybe Mr Vega was in combat training, or some other situation where he'd require armor, prior to jumping on the Normandy? And maybe Ashley was doing something completely different, and threw on the first best thing she could access?
Point is, we don't know.

There was not light, medium nor heavy armor in ME2 for Shepard.

ME1 in other hand has. Guess what, Adept Shepard can't wear heavy armor in ME1.
Also every Biotic, including Thane and Jacob, didn't wear heavy armor like Grunt, Garrus and Zaeed in ME2.

Exactly, Shepard had no Light/Medium/Heavy armor options. Unless you went by the graphical "style", at which point you could call several of the armors Shepard has available medium or heavy. The Terminus armor, for example. Or the Cerberus Shock Trooper armor (Don't remember the correct name). Or several of the armor pieces he could use. Many of them fit a "Heavy" style category.
And I know ME1 Adept Shepard could wear only Light, or Medium if he wanted that skill.

What I'm trying to say is, you don't know for certain. I most certainly don't know for certain either. But the fact that you go on about this as if it was fact that Ashley will be wearing that suit/light armor suit all the time, is kind of annoying, since you don't have any real proof. If she does wear it throughout the game once it finally comes out (in nine-ish months from now) then I'll concede and say you were right.
But for now, we just don't know. So stop arguing this as if it was fact. Please. Please?

[CroGamer002]

Wizz wrote...

I find it rather funny that all this problem may be solved by adding one alternate outfit for one character, which by EA standarts costs around 66 cents.

Do we really need to get DLC to get this?





This is what Miranda should have had long time ago, but thankfully Bioware listen to feedback and gave us this DLC.
And same for Liara.



Actual light armor for combat and no high heels.


Ashley doesn't have high heels( thank God) but her "armor" doesn't look like someone in combat situation would choose to wear.

[LetMeW1n]

Immersion? Use your imagination.. You bought the game, don't beat yourself up over something that's supposed to be entertainment. Btw you can show skin in space, and I imagine that bodysuit and her biotics helps in countering the air pressure in the lungs.. Might be uncomfortable though, but for vanity..? Then there's radiation, environmental toxins and sh!t not. o_o

Anyway I think it does give a tad of individuality once you look pass all this. Respect for the fearless ladies, bia ch

[FluffyScarf]

No. Must. continue. to. push. past. 11. pages. I hear Ash is wearing a pink string bikini under that catsuit. How's that for ruining character consistency. I won't be able to sleep tonight knowing a virtual character is ruined. BW, selling out. Again!

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 11:49 .

[CroGamer002]

FictionalBreger wrote...

We don't know. Maybe Mr Vega was in combat training, or some other situation where he'd require armor, prior to jumping on the Normandy? And maybe Ashley was doing something completely different, and threw on the first best thing she could access?
Point is, we don't know.

Demo lasts like 17 minutes and from trailer, Reapers are attacking Earth a lot more longer.
I think she would have plenty of time to get her combat gear in Normandy.

Modifié par Mesina2, 12 juin 2011 - 11:52 .

[Ahriman]

Bluko wrote...

Wizz wrote...

I find it rather funny that all this problem may be solved by adding one alternate outfit for one character, which by EA standarts costs around 66 cents.

Oh I'm sure they'll do this. We just might have to wait 3 months or year before we can buy it, which is the sucky part. I suppose I could wait til ME3 hits the bargain bin and then pick it up once all the Appearence Pack DLC is released.

That's the only problem for me. Hell, I'm ready to pay for this if they want so, but I want do it before I start play. At release day preferably.