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[FluffyScarf]

Em23 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

ScepticMatt wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Bluko wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...
Well they showed her bare neck. Which is morally wrong. Somehow. <_<

The issue is not morality, or that "Ashley is too hot! ZOMG! Evil! EVIL!!!". Maybe for some it is, though not for me. Again I don't take issue with Bioware making Ashley sexy, I just take issue with the way they are doing it.

No, the issue here is praticality. I'll admit it's better then most of ME2's female outfits, but not that much better.

The thing is it does strike me as sexist (def'n: behavior, conditions, and attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex. ) to have all the females in light form fitting armor, yet all the guys are wearing big bulky plated stuff. Yeah I'm sorry, but this is just a bit sexist. True I should probably glad Ashley isn't just a Medic in a Bikini, but I've always assumed Bioware is better then that.

I'd venture Bioware has the talent to have Ashley in some real armor, yet still make her look "hot". Or is armor too much of turn-off for some? It seems pretty petty to me you won't romance Ashley or whatever simply because they don't have skin tight fabric suit for your fancy. Also if you think I'm asking for armor for such selfish desires, I'm not. (My canon Shepard is with Liara.) I'm asking for it on the basis of respecting her established character along with the purposes of preserving praticality and immersion in the series.

1000s times this.
And like I said before, this is an issue with Kaidan too.
He's the one that should have light armor and Ashley with heavy armor.

Co-signed.

Tri-Signed.

Quad Signed.

however you say 5-signed

Unsigned! Keep up Liisi.

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 12:19 .

[Nerevar-as]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Why should Kaidan use only pistols when he has SGs, ARs, and SRs within reach? Why should he make himself more subceptible to death by wearing less armor simply because he has biotics. It doesn't make much sense, does it? (At least to me it doesn't) And I am willing to overlook this because it's only a game.

By the way, I personally think Kaidan, as a sentinel, should wear heavy armor. Sentinel is the "tank" class, so it makes sense in that respect that he would also wear heavy armor. The rules of combat from ME1 no longer apply. Sentinels should/can have heavy armor.

Kaidan should have Tech Armor.

On topic, only squadmate females seem taken from a pulp story, enemy female troops wear full armor. It is immersion breaking to me. I don´t like the respect for the artist´s vision either, if said vision doesn´t fit with the setting it should not have preference.

[sissysouthpaw]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

ScepticMatt wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Bluko wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...
Well they showed her bare neck. Which is morally wrong. Somehow. <_<

The issue is not morality, or that "Ashley is too hot! ZOMG! Evil! EVIL!!!". Maybe for some it is, though not for me. Again I don't take issue with Bioware making Ashley sexy, I just take issue with the way they are doing it.

No, the issue here is praticality. I'll admit it's better then most of ME2's female outfits, but not that much better.

The thing is it does strike me as sexist (def'n: behavior, conditions, and attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex. ) to have all the females in light form fitting armor, yet all the guys are wearing big bulky plated stuff. Yeah I'm sorry, but this is just a bit sexist. True I should probably glad Ashley isn't just a Medic in a Bikini, but I've always assumed Bioware is better then that.

I'd venture Bioware has the talent to have Ashley in some real armor, yet still make her look "hot". Or is armor too much of turn-off for some? It seems pretty petty to me you won't romance Ashley or whatever simply because they don't have skin tight fabric suit for your fancy. Also if you think I'm asking for armor for such selfish desires, I'm not. (My canon Shepard is with Liara.) I'm asking for it on the basis of respecting her established character along with the purposes of preserving praticality and immersion in the series.

1000s times this.
And like I said before, this is an issue with Kaidan too.
He's the one that should have light armor and Ashley with heavy armor.

Co-signed.

Tri-Signed.

Quad Signed.

however you say 5-signed

Unsigned! Keep up Liisi.

Re-signed! :innocent:

[Rogue Unit]

Liisi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Liisi wrote...


Have you even read any of his posts?

Have you?

Yes, I have. He's pointed out the weirdness of seeing Kaidan in heavy plate, for one. Do you dispute that?

Why should Kaidan use only pistols when he has SGs, ARs, and SRs within reach? Why should he make himself more subceptible to death by wearing less armor simply because he has biotics. It doesn't make much sense, does it? (At least to me it doesn't) And I am willing to overlook this because it's only a game.

By the way, I personally think Kaidan, as a sentinel, should wear heavy armor. Sentinel is the "tank" class, so it makes sense in that respect that he would also wear heavy armor. The rules of combat from ME1 no longer apply. Sentinels should/can have heavy armor.

Because armor doesn't apparently matter anymore. Keep up!

Exactly my point. You can't harp about Ashley not having adequate armor, then strip Kaidan of his armor simply becasue "biotic are 'pose to be less protected!"

None of this makes sense. Know why?

Psst...

It's a game.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 12 juin 2011 - 12:22 .

[FluffyScarf]

That's a good point. Took 13 pages to bring it up, but still. Human/asari females wear proper armor as enemies. Waddup with that BW?

[CroGamer002]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Why should Kaidan use only pistols when he has SGs, ARs, and SRs within reach? Why should he make himself more subceptible to death by wearing less armor simply because he has biotics. It doesn't make much sense, does it? (At least to me it doesn't) And I am willing to overlook this because it's only a game.

By the way, I personally think Kaidan, as a sentinel, should wear heavy armor. Sentinel is the "tank" class, so it makes sense in that respect that he would also wear heavy armor. The rules of combat from ME1 no longer apply. Sentinels should/can have heavy armor.

Why does Setinel needs heavy armor while he/she has Tech armor?


Also for Biotics:

Codex...

The Alliance military, on the other hand, welcomes biotics with open arms and provides them with massive enlistment incentives. They are now frequently found in the front lines of many ground-based combat units. Because of the massive physical effort required to biologically generate dark energy, biotic soldiers are assigned a large daily calorie ration (4,500 calories per day, compared with the standard soldier's allotment of 3,000) and provided with energy drinks to help them maintain their blood sugar and electrolyte levels. The electrical fields in their bodies mean they are also prone to small static discharges when they touch metal.

Biotics get tired fast and heaving heavy armor is counter productive.




And I never talked about the guns and real reason why couldn't use those guns are gameplay decisions, not lore decisions.

[sissysouthpaw]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Liisi wrote...


Have you even read any of his posts?

Have you?

Yes, I have. He's pointed out the weirdness of seeing Kaidan in heavy plate, for one. Do you dispute that?

Why should Kaidan use only pistols when he has SGs, ARs, and SRs within reach? Why should he make himself more subceptible to death by wearing less armor simply because he has biotics. It doesn't make much sense, does it? (At least to me it doesn't) And I am willing to overlook this because it's only a game.

By the way, I personally think Kaidan, as a sentinel, should wear heavy armor. Sentinel is the "tank" class, so it makes sense in that respect that he would also wear heavy armor. The rules of combat from ME1 no longer apply. Sentinels should/can have heavy armor.

Because armor doesn't apparently matter anymore. Keep up!

Exactly my point. You can't harp about Ashley not having adequate armor for space, then strip Kaidan of his armor simply becasue "biotic are 'pose to be less protected!"

None of this makes sense. Know why?

Psst...

It's a game.

Yes, I can, it's called "consistency".

[sissysouthpaw]

Double post, nevermind!

Modifié par Liisi, 12 juin 2011 - 12:25 .

[littlezack]

God, I hope I never get to the point where I take videogames this damn seriously. When people stereotype gamers as obsessed nuts, this is exactly the sort of thing they're talking about. 

[Ziggy]

Kaidan: "Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it."

Ashley: "Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun."

[Rogue Unit]

Liisi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Liisi wrote...


Have you even read any of his posts?

Have you?

Yes, I have. He's pointed out the weirdness of seeing Kaidan in heavy plate, for one. Do you dispute that?

Why should Kaidan use only pistols when he has SGs, ARs, and SRs within reach? Why should he make himself more subceptible to death by wearing less armor simply because he has biotics. It doesn't make much sense, does it? (At least to me it doesn't) And I am willing to overlook this because it's only a game.

By the way, I personally think Kaidan, as a sentinel, should wear heavy armor. Sentinel is the "tank" class, so it makes sense in that respect that he would also wear heavy armor. The rules of combat from ME1 no longer apply. Sentinels should/can have heavy armor.

Because armor doesn't apparently matter anymore. Keep up!

Exactly my point. You can't harp about Ashley not having adequate armor for space, then strip Kaidan of his armor simply becasue "biotic are 'pose to be less protected!"

None of this makes sense. Know why?

Psst...

It's a game.

Yes, I can, it's called "consistency".

Good luck trying to get anyone to believe the Reapers are a real threat then.

Anyway I'm done arguing in circles. At the end of the day, Ash will be in a catsuit and you'll just have to deal with it or don't buy the game.

Cheers!

[FluffyScarf]

Harp. Harpies. The Witcher 2! Which had armor for Triss. Without revealing too much.

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 12:29 .

[CroGamer002]

Em23 wrote...

Kaidan: "Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it."

Ashley: "Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun."

Thank you.

[sissysouthpaw]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Liisi wrote...


Have you even read any of his posts?

Have you?

Yes, I have. He's pointed out the weirdness of seeing Kaidan in heavy plate, for one. Do you dispute that?

Why should Kaidan use only pistols when he has SGs, ARs, and SRs within reach? Why should he make himself more subceptible to death by wearing less armor simply because he has biotics. It doesn't make much sense, does it? (At least to me it doesn't) And I am willing to overlook this because it's only a game.

By the way, I personally think Kaidan, as a sentinel, should wear heavy armor. Sentinel is the "tank" class, so it makes sense in that respect that he would also wear heavy armor. The rules of combat from ME1 no longer apply. Sentinels should/can have heavy armor.

Because armor doesn't apparently matter anymore. Keep up!

Exactly my point. You can't harp about Ashley not having adequate armor for space, then strip Kaidan of his armor simply becasue "biotic are 'pose to be less protected!"

None of this makes sense. Know why?

Psst...

It's a game.

Yes, I can, it's called "consistency".

Good luck trying to get anyone to believe the Reapers are a real threat then.

Anyway I'm done arguing in circles. At the end of the day, Ash will be in a catsuit and you'll just have to deal with it or don't buy the game.

Cheers!

Or I could just Virmire Ashley? Toodles!

[Sylvianus]

Liisi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Liisi wrote...


Have you even read any of his posts?

Have you?

Yes, I have. He's pointed out the weirdness of seeing Kaidan in heavy plate, for one. Do you dispute that?

Why should Kaidan use only pistols when he has SGs, ARs, and SRs within reach? Why should he make himself more subceptible to death by wearing less armor simply because he has biotics. It doesn't make much sense, does it? (At least to me it doesn't) And I am willing to overlook this because it's only a game.

By the way, I personally think Kaidan, as a sentinel, should wear heavy armor. Sentinel is the "tank" class, so it makes sense in that respect that he would also wear heavy armor. The rules of combat from ME1 no longer apply. Sentinels should/can have heavy armor.

Because armor doesn't apparently matter anymore. Keep up!

Exactly my point. You can't harp about Ashley not having adequate armor for space, then strip Kaidan of his armor simply becasue "biotic are 'pose to be less protected!"

None of this makes sense. Know why?

Psst...

It's a game.

Yes, I can, it's called "consistency".

Good luck trying to get anyone to believe the Reapers are a real threat then.

Anyway I'm done arguing in circles. At the end of the day, Ash will be in a catsuit and you'll just have to deal with it or don't buy the game.

Cheers!

Or I could just Virmire Ashley? Toodles!

If it could keep you quiet, I wish that everyone do this. That way no one complains.

[FluffyScarf]

Liisi wouldn't dare. Too much love established. Too much to lose.

[Warkupo]

Mesina2 wrote...

I don't remember that Shepard can wear heavy armor in ME2.

I don't remember him being forced to wear light armor either. It's kind of like they retconned the whole armor-class thing out of existence for a whole game and you're only just now noticing. 

(By the way, Ashley has always been able to wear light armor. In fact, she's more likely to be wearing light/medium armor than she is Heavy Armor, since she has to take optional training to get into that. She even starts out in light armor.)

Modifié par Warkupo, 12 juin 2011 - 12:36 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Sylvianus wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Liisi wrote...


Have you even read any of his posts?

Have you?

Yes, I have. He's pointed out the weirdness of seeing Kaidan in heavy plate, for one. Do you dispute that?

Why should Kaidan use only pistols when he has SGs, ARs, and SRs within reach? Why should he make himself more subceptible to death by wearing less armor simply because he has biotics. It doesn't make much sense, does it? (At least to me it doesn't) And I am willing to overlook this because it's only a game.

By the way, I personally think Kaidan, as a sentinel, should wear heavy armor. Sentinel is the "tank" class, so it makes sense in that respect that he would also wear heavy armor. The rules of combat from ME1 no longer apply. Sentinels should/can have heavy armor.

Because armor doesn't apparently matter anymore. Keep up!

Exactly my point. You can't harp about Ashley not having adequate armor for space, then strip Kaidan of his armor simply becasue "biotic are 'pose to be less protected!"

None of this makes sense. Know why?

Psst...

It's a game.

Yes, I can, it's called "consistency".

Good luck trying to get anyone to believe the Reapers are a real threat then.

Anyway I'm done arguing in circles. At the end of the day, Ash will be in a catsuit and you'll just have to deal with it or don't buy the game.

Cheers!

Or I could just Virmire Ashley? Toodles!

If it could keep you quiet, I wish that everyone do this. That way no one complains.

No, unless I get a chocolate bar to boot .

[sissysouthpaw]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Liisi wouldn't dare. Too much love established. Too much to lose.

Aw, Fluffykins. I knew you had a crush on me <3

[FluffyScarf]

Oh you. I wasn't serious over that.The chocolate bar bit I mean. I hope you find it in your heart to forgive me.

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 12:38 .

[LetMeW1n]

Mesina2 wrote...

LetMeW1n wrote...
Immersion? Use your imagination.. You bought the game, don't beat yourself up over something that's supposed to be entertainment. Btw you can show skin in space, and I imagine that bodysuit and her biotics helps in countering the air pressure in the lungs.. Might be uncomfortable though, but for vanity..? Then there's radiation, environmental toxins and sh!t not. o_o

Anyway I think it does give a tad of individuality once you look pass all this. Respect for the fearless ladies, bia ch

Games aren't just entertainment, but also an art.
Mass Effect should be good with both and with doing stereotypical outfits that are against already set up characters is failing and they don't even have to.

Also it's really hard to use imagination when in combat. Even though it's easier for Bioware to give Ashely heavy armor and to Kaidan light one.

Not convinced, lol. Mainly because I'm an observer and I've seen much stronger arguments for and against this thing here and I'm basically useless.

But, err, art is subjective, yes..? You can see it in a good or bad way, or you can dismiss it. Maybe fell slightly into gaming conventions, but not everything has to be what you want it to or not to be. Anyway immersion's not the only way to enjoy a game. This is the work of
minds, created using tools the product of minds and for minds. So open up your minds.. Can this be considered trolling btw? I'm making an argument, right..?

[lovgreno]

It could all be so simple:

One optional "lol boobs in hawt revealing superhero tights" type of what some would call armour fitting for a professional frontline veteran soldier. If catsuits for female warriors sounds logical to you this is the armour for you!

The other optional armour is something that look like a decent suit of heavy armour that can protect against things like high speed bullets, radiation, toxins etc... If you think that heavy and covering armour looks badass, sexy and professional this is the option for you!

It shouldn't take too much effort right? And as a bonus you can make missions taking place in vacuum as everyone has a optional outfit suited for those hostile enviroments.

[Estelindis]

If armour doesn't matter, then why does Shepard wear it?  The plot may not require us to visit any freezing, burning, or toxic planets, but Shepard doesn't know that and logically would want her/his crew to be prepared for all eventualities - thus, armour should be available for all.

Anyway, I like Ashley's new outfit very much - I would just like it if she had the chance to wear armour in combat.  I'm desperately hoping this is what Christina means when she says that old games don't go away but new ones bring extra possibilities.

Em23 wrote...

Kaidan: "Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it."

Ashley: "Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun."

Well said.

Modifié par Estelindis, 12 juin 2011 - 12:40 .

[Hattie]

Mesina2 wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Kaidan: "Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it."

Ashley: "Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun."

Thank you.

This says it all.
Ashley would never wear a catsuit to a fight. What the hell bioware?!

[Kabanya101]

Outfits in ME2 were nicely done, but they should have kept them on the ship. Like in ME1, all characters get a unform for the ship, but then wear armor in combat. That is how the characters in ME3 should be designed.

They are bringing back preset armor/outfits to ME3, so have three outfits for each character.
1) Outfit for the ship, sleek, comfy, and maybe provacative
2) Armor that represents the character's personality (light, medium, heavy doesn't matter, but respectable for each class) NO string bikinis, Jack.
3) Armor that matches with other characters, to make the characters look like a team, like in ME2 with the orange and black loyalty outfits

Characters should get armor that fits there class and background. Like for the person that mentioned Kaiden should wear heavy armor. Kaiden didn't wear heavy armor in ME1, he's a sentinel that needs mobility for quick biotic and tech attacks, so therefore wears armor that sleak and slim, not bulky.

And by the way, Sentinels are NOT the tanks in the ME series. Yes ME2 ruined the mold, but the tank class will ALWAYS be the Soldier. With a flawed combat system and class trees in ME2, Sentinel's did become tanks, but they aren't. Sentinels are healers/supporters, and in every game, they are weak and fragile.