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[FluffyScarf]

If you're bored, Virmire Ash! How many saves do you have? <_<

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 01:09 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Collider wrote...

Give Ashley armor!

Give us moar chocolate!

[CroGamer002]

Sylvianus wrote...

In this case Ashley would never changed her position on the aliens. In this case Ashley is racist because at the beginning of Mass Effect, she said she was suspicious of aliens.

Oh wait ... She changes her mind at the end of M1. She has evolved at the end. Do you see this logic limited ?

3 years have passed. 25 years to 28/29 years. She may have become a bit more mature and serious now is not it ?

I also want armor for Ashley, so I'm not really against your will. Rather, your claim to say that Ashley is " like that and not otherwise ", that troubles me. What I read everywhere.

First of all you can talk to Ashley about aliens and she doesn't hate them, just doesn't trust Garrus and Wrex while not minding Tali and no longer supsicious of Liara when Benezia is dead( and actually tells Shepard to go talk with her about it).

Ashley is nor ever was racist.
She just happen to no trust favorite character in ME1.


Also on Horizon she says "I'm no fan of aliens, but what Cerberus is doing is extreme".

[sissysouthpaw]

FluffyScarf wrote...

If you're bored, Virmire Ash!

I would, if I had a computer capable of running ME1 at the moment, which I don't. *sniffle*

[In Exile]

Hattie wrote...
Actually, I find it very aptly sums up this aspect of her character.
There is more to her than this, obviously, but that is not relevent here. 

"Solid" armour != "heavy" armour.

The asari commando's wear clothes, not armour at all.

[FluffyScarf]

Obviously those commando's think they can outrun a bullet. <_<

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 01:11 .

[LetMeW1n]

Mesina2 wrote...

LetMeW1n wrote...

Not convinced, lol. Mainly because I'm an observer and I've seen much stronger arguments for and against this thing here and I'm basically useless.

Check Extra Credits for that.
I'm not here to argue about that.

But, err, art is subjective, yes..? You can see it in a good or bad way, or you can dismiss it. Maybe fell slightly into gaming conventions, but not everything has to be what you want it to or not to be. Anyway immersion's not the only way to enjoy a game. This is the work of minds, created using tools the product of minds and for minds.

True, but that still doesn't change that what Bioware is doing is bad thing. It's arleady been said that Ashley prefers heavy armor while Kaidan is Biotic and that was established too that they get tired fast.

It doesn't brake the game by any means but it's still inconsistent.

Inconsistency=bad

So open up your minds.. Can this be considered trolling btw? I'm making an argument,
right..?

When did I call you a troll?

Oops, sorry, thought it sounded a bit accusing. Nothing in there, really. Just thought it might be an interesting topic to get into, and I'm pretty sure there's a few good points back there, and one says that this discussion is useless and would never gain enough support to change bioware mind if they are really going with the Ashley catsuit(which I think not).

Ultimately, I forgot what I was going to say cos it's really slow on my phone and this touches on some deeper issues which require attacking to reach a consensus between all you brain nuts.

[lovgreno]

All kinds of consumer feedback are valuable for any company. In fact a company that doesn't listen to potential and especialy previous costumers won't survive for long. And as consumers it's our right to demand the best products as possible. If we won't do it we will get bad products.

How this will eventualy change the product, well, that is totaly up to the owners. So I won't complain if it doesn't turn out the way I prefered.

Now some may say that we shouldn't bother to express opinions about the coming game that they think are wrong. Often using a condensending tone, insults and generalisations. I don't see the point in that realy.

[Sylvianus]

Mesina2 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

In this case Ashley would never changed her position on the aliens. In this case Ashley is racist because at the beginning of Mass Effect, she said she was suspicious of aliens.

Oh wait ... She changes her mind at the end of M1. She has evolved at the end. Do you see this logic limited ?

3 years have passed. 25 years to 28/29 years. She may have become a bit more mature and serious now is not it ?

I also want armor for Ashley, so I'm not really against your will. Rather, your claim to say that Ashley is " like that and not otherwise ", that troubles me. What I read everywhere.

First of all you can talk to Ashley about aliens and she doesn't hate them, just doesn't trust Garrus and Wrex while not minding Tali and no longer supsicious of Liara when Benezia is dead( and actually tells Shepard to go talk with her about it).

Ashley is nor ever was racist.
She just happen to no trust favorite character in ME1.


Also on Horizon she says "I'm no fan of aliens, but what Cerberus is doing is extreme".

first M2 Is A bad writting, so do not take it as a reference.
Ashley then  may become less suspicious of the aliens in M3. So a retcon because of one line in the " first " episode ? Of course not. Evolution. Especially since all will have to unite against the reapers. She is 29 now.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 12 juin 2011 - 01:15 .

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Liisi wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

Lmfaooooo! This **** again? The game is set in space....there goes your realism. But hey, let's ignore that. Let's make the game realistic. You have to eat and ****** and sleep or you pass out. Let's take it to another level....a well placed shot kills you and you can't play the game again, ever. That's reality. Reality is boring and overrated.
Maybe Ashley just doesn't want to wear Heavy Armor anymore, she changed her mind and now she wants to look good while shooting things. Humans change their minds and tastes all the time....and she is supposed to be a human, right?
And about high heels....I've been seeing lots of people saying women can't run in them and stuff like that. That is complete bull****. I've seen lots of women running in high heels. Hell, I have a friend who's a transvestite and he can run and dance in high heels with no problem. Lady Gaga did her whole tour in high heels. So yeah, you guys just need to get out more.

This is too easy

LMFAO! Well, I didn't say she never falls on her ass And I could find a ton of videos of her dancing in high heels But seriously, you can't compare those mofos to the heels Miranda and supposedly Ashley wears They have the kind of high heels pro dances would wear.
 

[CroGamer002]

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

Lmfaooooo! This **** again? The game is set in space.... there goes your realism.

But hey, let's ignore that. Let's make the game realistic. You have to eat and ****** and sleep or you pass out. Let's take it to another level....a well placed shot kills you and you can't play the game again, ever. That's reality. Reality is boring and overrated.

Yeah, asking for actual combat armor is like asking for life simulator.

Maybe Ashley just doesn't want to wear Heavy Armor anymore, she changed her mind and now she wants to look good while shooting things. Humans change their minds and tastes all the time....and she is supposed to be a human, right?

That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.
Look good while shooting? She's a marine!

And about high heels....I've been seeing lots of people saying women can't run in them and stuff like that. That is complete bull****. I've seen lots of women running in high heels. Hell, I have a friend who's a transvestite and he can run and dance in high heels with no problem. Lady Gaga did her whole tour in high heels. So yeah, you guys just need to get out more.

I don't remember they getting shot and shooting back while having assault rifle. And she's a marine. Why would she choose to have high heels in combat?!

[SalsaDMA]

littlezack wrote...

There's also the possibility that some of us just don't give a damn. Did Miranda's outfit bother me a little bit in ME2? Yeah. Did the spacebreathers bother me? Yeah. Do I wish Ashely was wearing heavy armor? Yeah.

Deal-breaking, though? No. ME2 was awesome on so many levels that such a minor thing wasn't close to being a problem for me, and I'm sure ME3 will continue that trend. Ashely's appearance is but a small fraction of the reason I loved her character before; as long as she's the strong, indepedent, capable woman she was before, she can wear just about anything she wants and still kick ass. 

Obviously you care enough to be posting in a thread about it... :innocent:

[sissysouthpaw]

Because teh ladies always put them looks first, Mesina2. Duh!

[sissysouthpaw]

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...
LMFAO! Well, I didn't say she never falls on her ass And I could find a ton of videos of her dancing in high heels But seriously, you can't compare those mofos to the heels Miranda and supposedly Ashley wears They have the kind of high heels pro dances would wear.
 

I know, I'm just messing with you. But then again, I'm a woman who hates wearing heels. Just because you *can* run in them doesn't mean you'd want to do so on a regular basis.

[FluffyScarf]

Ash is only wearing what manufacturers gave her. Not her fault they ran out of metal to build pink and white armor again.

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 01:19 .

[CroGamer002]

Sylvianus wrote...

first M2 Is A bad writting, so do not take it as a reference.

Only bad writting on Horizon is Shepard's dialougue lines to VS.

Ashley then  may become less suspicious of the aliens in M3. So a retcon because of one line in the " first " episode ? Of course not. Evolution. Especially since all will have to unite against the reapers. She is 29 now.

Evolution?
You don't know what evolution really means.

Also why would she change her opinon on aliens?
She doesn't work with them after Shepard's death until becoming a Spectre( if she become one).

Also being 29 says nothing since she was 27 in previous game. She was mature then too.

[Cosmar]

I agree with OP...but, like other people have said, Bioware has gone the route of every other major game studio: marketing and money. The facts are that sexy outfits and big explosions sell. These things trigger the most basic instinctual feelings in humans, like lust and adrenaline, that make people excited. People like being excited, so they will buy things with sex and explosions. That simple.

These days, if you want a truly deep and immersing experience with many layers of psychological, emotional and intellectual complexity, novels still are the way to go. (And NOT novels based on games that were made with lots of sexiness and explosions.)

Will I still buy ME3? Of course! I was hooked by ME1 too much to not see firsthand how the story ends. But I do feel insulted by the punch-you-in-the-face marketing strategies. And by the fact that BW decided not to be consistent with themselves. If they would have had everyone wearing stupid outfits and looking sexy at all times and being all badass in ME1 as well, there would be no problems. But for me it's the fact that they started off with something more classy and realistic (I said MORE realistic, which is not the same thing as saying simply REALISTIC) and THEN later decided to go the generic Hollywood route with their designs.

[FluffyScarf]

ME1 had explosions too. There were explosions and dem hips and breasts 5 minutes into the game.

[CroGamer002]

FluffyScarf wrote...

ME1 had explosions too. There were explosions and dem hips and breasts 5 minutes into the game.

When were explosions brought up here?
And who the hell is complaining about it?

Also it was more like 25 minutes and didn't people complained about Benezia?

[FluffyScarf]

Might want to look at the post above. Bring back the old, laidback Mesina.

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 01:29 .

[Sylvianus]

Mesina2 wrote...reapers. She is 29 now.

Evolution?
You don't know what evolution really means.

Also why would she change her opinon on aliens?
She doesn't work with them after Shepard's death until becoming a Spectre( if she become one).

Also being 29 says nothing since she was 27 in previous game. She was mature then too.

Useless to answer at your first thought.

Now,  You do not seem to understand that it may be a direction, not necessarily the direction. Nobody knows what will change her mind. But do you really think that this is not ashley if she became less suspicious, it's retcon ? Do not pretend to know her if you say me yes.

And you don't seem to understand the relevance of the subject in my answer. It is not because they say one thing one day, you can not change your mind, change on the issue or another, especially when the years pass. this is stupid. Really stupid. in your life, How many times have you changed your mind ?

And no, Ashley has 25 years in M1. 27 years was a mistake corrected. http://masseffect.wi...Ashley_Williams

And between 25 and 29 years, yes, yes there is a difference as a difference between 17 and 21. Definitely, I moved on a lot of things.

Ashley was a young soldier, with her ideals, her enthusiasm due to her youth.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 12 juin 2011 - 01:33 .

[LetMeW1n]

Lol, I just don't see the purpose of posting some what-you-know would be slightly controversial views on a forum. Not that I use the forum, but it does appear that you want your views changed, challenged, matured or for the vanity or some other hidden purpose which I believe should be made clear. We using our head too much now for stuff that doesn't really matter, lol, partly according to me(can express that much more intelligently, I swear).

[TheCrakFox]

I wasn't overly bothered about the catsuits in ME2, shields are what really saves you from enemy fire anyway. Being eaten by husks is another matter but... meh.

The thing that annoyed me was the breathers in hostile environments, they just rubbed me up the wrong way :/

[-Skorpious-]

Why the hell hasn't Bioware addressed this topic yet? I mean, Chris gets paid to browse these forums - no doubt he's seen the rage in this and the previous thread regarding Ashley's armor.

Do they even care at this point about fans of, you know, the original game? Or or they too busy making ME3 "the best starting point in the trilogy"?

[CroGamer002]

Sylvianus wrote...

Useless to answer at your first thought.

Now,  You do not seem to understand that it may be a direction, not necessarily the direction. Nobody knows what will change her mind. But do you really think that this is not ashley if she became less suspicious, it's retcon ? Do not pretend to know her if you say me yes.

And you don't seem to understand the relevance of the subject in my answer. It is not because they say one thing one day, you can not change your mind, change on the issue or another, especially when the years pass. this is stupid. Really stupid. in your life, How many times have you changed your mind ?

And no, Ashley has 25 years in M1. 27 years was a mistake corrected. http://masseffect.wi...Ashley_Williams

And between 25 and 29 years, yes, yes there is a difference as a difference between 17 and 21. Definitely, I moved on a lot of things.

Ashley was a young soldier, with her ideals, her enthusiasm due to her youth.

It still doesn't change the fact that she said on Horizon "I'm not fan of aliens, but what Cerberus does is extreme".


Also ME1 starts in 2183 while ME3 will start in 2186.
Then it would 3 years difference not 4, but still Horizon was 1 year before ME3 starts, so that's 1 year for her to change, even though she wasn't in past 2.



Also Ashley was always mature.

Modifié par Mesina2, 12 juin 2011 - 01:40 .