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[FluffyScarf]

And you might want to take a look at Twitter before making disingenuous assertions.

(Not directed at Mesina.)

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 01:45 .

[Sylvianus]

Mesina2 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Useless to answer at your first thought.

Now,  You do not seem to understand that it may be a direction, not necessarily the direction. Nobody knows what will change her mind. But do you really think that this is not ashley if she became less suspicious, it's retcon ? Do not pretend to know her if you say me yes.

And you don't seem to understand the relevance of the subject in my answer. It is not because they say one thing one day, you can not change your mind, change on the issue or another, especially when the years pass. this is stupid. Really stupid. in your life, How many times have you changed your mind ?

And no, Ashley has 25 years in M1. 27 years was a mistake corrected. http://masseffect.wi...Ashley_Williams

And between 25 and 29 years, yes, yes there is a difference as a difference between 17 and 21. Definitely, I moved on a lot of things.

Ashley was a young soldier, with her ideals, her enthusiasm due to her youth.

It still doesn't change the fact that she said on Horizon "I'm not fan of aliens, but what Cerberus does is extreme".


Also ME1 starts in 2183 while ME3 will start in 2186.
Then it would 3 years difference not 4, but still Horizon was 1 year before ME3 starts, so that's 1 year for her to change, even though she wasn't in past 2.



Also Ashley was always mature.

Mass Effect 2 ends in 2186. M3 is between 6 months and a year later. So maybe 2187.

Finally, in any case, there is no need for many years to change his opinion. Ashley was convinced by my shepard that collaboration with the aliens was needed, in one mission.  Probably one or several month.

And, to be mature doesn't mean you can not go wrong heavily, to be irrational at times, to have a biased point of view because of its story, etc. (I mean in general)

Look the politicians.

[LetMeW1n]

Continue what you all are doing, just want to do the same. Most of us live in a quite successful society based on capitalism. Be at peace with the world and yourself. I welcome you to join the world of complacency, materialism, adopting of societal improving causes or go live or do charity in west Africa and worry about other things... Cause this..

Sorry, lol

[SalsaDMA]

-Skorpious- wrote...

 Or or they too busy making ME3 "the best starting point in the trilogy"?

Which does make you wonder what the point of the 2 first games were if indeed ME3 is the "best place to start..."

[FluffyScarf]

Don't bate Liisi into this thread again.  :innocent:

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 01:57 .

[-Skorpious-]

LetMeW1n wrote...

Continue what you all are doing, just want to do the same. Most of us live in a quite successful society based on capitalism. Be at peace with the world and yourself. I welcome you to join the world of complacency, materialism, adopting of societal improving causes or go live or do charity in west Africa and worry about other things... Cause this..

Sorry, lol

Are you saying...that i should accept Ashley's new armor or go to west Africa for charity work? 

[masseffectman123]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Ash let her hair down. Should they make her obese as opposed to attractive? How about giving her armor so square you wouldn't be able to tell what was underneath? Might as well make the males obese while you're at it. Can't have them looking lean and muscular otherwise we'll be objectifying men and selling them as sex objects too. Two topics guranteed to get 50 pages worth of responses: Religion and women in games.

Agreed! What is wrong with attractive females or males in games nowdays? Get over it OP, i can't stand people who moan about any attractive females in a game, so what if Ash is wearing a skintight outfit? You DO realise she has shields?, but i guess you don't or that may be a dealbreaker for your immersion. Get a life and stop bothering the designers of this game.

[-Skorpious-]

masseffectman123 wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

Ash let her hair down. Should they make her obese as opposed to attractive? How about giving her armor so square you wouldn't be able to tell what was underneath? Might as well make the males obese while you're at it. Can't have them looking lean and muscular otherwise we'll be objectifying men and selling them as sex objects too. Two topics guranteed to get 50 pages worth of responses: Religion and women in games.

Agreed! What is wrong with attractive females or males in games nowdays? Get over it OP, i can't stand people who moan about any attractive females in a game, so what if Ash is wearing a skintight outfit? You DO realise she has shields?, but i guess you don't or that may be a dealbreaker for your immersion. Get a life and stop bothering the designers of this game.

I'm getting tired of this being the sole argument from both fans and developers. Shields offer the most protection in the ME universe, thats certain, but saying that shields are the only defense you need is like saying all police officers need is a bullet-proof vest underneath a tank-top for protection. 

[sissysouthpaw]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Don't bate Liisi into this thread again.  :innocent:

I can hear you, you know. *side-eyes*

[FluffyScarf]

Vests don't regenerate.

Oh god you're back. Hide the chocolate.

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 02:06 .

[Icinix]

masseffectman123 wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

Ash let her hair down. Should they make her obese as opposed to attractive? How about giving her armor so square you wouldn't be able to tell what was underneath? Might as well make the males obese while you're at it. Can't have them looking lean and muscular otherwise we'll be objectifying men and selling them as sex objects too. Two topics guranteed to get 50 pages worth of responses: Religion and women in games.

Agreed! What is wrong with attractive females or males in games nowdays? Get over it OP, i can't stand people who moan about any attractive females in a game, so what if Ash is wearing a skintight outfit? You DO realise she has shields?, but i guess you don't or that may be a dealbreaker for your immersion. Get a life and stop bothering the designers of this game.

So why not drop Armour from the game entirely?

What not throw everyone in skin tight latex suits?

Since they clearly don't serve a purpose, why should they bother having armour of any type. In fact, I think we should drop Shepards entire armour system and make it lyrca bike riding outfit that we can customise the colours and maybe throw various weapon manufacturer logos on it, because that would make sense having groups fund Shepards endevaour rather than entering battle wearing armour.

People just want characters to be kept true to the character. If Shep came out didn't have Armour people would be pissed. Why should this be any different?

Modifié par Icinix, 12 juin 2011 - 02:09 .

[sissysouthpaw]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Vests don't regenerate.

Oh god you're back. Hide the chocolate.

Tsk, you disappoint me.

If the anti-armorers would use their reading comprehension skillz for good ,they'd have noticed that we are ready and willing to accommodate the current outfit, if there's an alternate one. Which doesn't seem like too much to ask. But I've spent way too much time on this thread already and must now return to my normally scheduled life, which I do have, despite your disingenuous assertations, thankyouverymuch.

[Oblivious]

-Skorpious- wrote...

masseffectman123 wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

Ash let her hair down. Should they make her obese as opposed to attractive? How about giving her armor so square you wouldn't be able to tell what was underneath? Might as well make the males obese while you're at it. Can't have them looking lean and muscular otherwise we'll be objectifying men and selling them as sex objects too. Two topics guranteed to get 50 pages worth of responses: Religion and women in games.

Agreed! What is wrong with attractive females or males in games nowdays? Get over it OP, i can't stand people who moan about any attractive females in a game, so what if Ash is wearing a skintight outfit? You DO realise she has shields?, but i guess you don't or that may be a dealbreaker for your immersion. Get a life and stop bothering the designers of this game.

I'm getting tired of this being the sole argument from both fans and developers. Shields offer the most protection in the ME universe, thats certain, but saying that shields are the only defense you need is like saying all police officers need is a bullet-proof vest underneath a tank-top for protection. 

You might want a different example dude because a bullet-proof vest would indeed be ample protection for police officers;)

[CroGamer002]

Sylvianus wrote...

Mass Effect 2 ends in 2186. M3 is between 6 months and a year later. So maybe 2187.

Finally, in any case, there is no need for many years to change his opinion. Ashley was convinced by my shepard that collaboration with the aliens was needed, in one mission.  Probably one or several month.

And, to be mature doesn't mean you can not go wrong heavily, to be irrational at times, to have a biased point of view because of its story, etc. (I mean in general)

Look the politicians.

Mass Effect 2 ends between June and December of 2185.
Arrival is only thing that occurs in 2186 and by canon Arrival happens after SM no matter what and 2 months before start of ME3.

By news report trailer ME3 will start in 6th June( same date of invasion of Normandy in 1944) 2186.

[DieHigh2012]

I understand the worry of the Ash fans, I'm in the same boat. Though I refuse to be outraged until more is known, her "armor" does give me an uneasy feeling. Ash from ME1 wouldn't be caught dead in such a gitup,

I'm all for character progression, but I can't help but feel worried that Ash's character might have been changed dramatically.

As far as Garrus and Tali go, they really didn't change that much from ME1 to ME2. Garrus was a little more violent (do to the pain of his squad getting wiped out) and Tali had matured a bit. Still they were at their core the same people we loved from ME1. How Liara progressed however ruined her for me, until LotSB she was like a completly different person. Please don't do that to Ash, my favorite LI from the first game.

[-Skorpious-]

Oblivious wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

masseffectman123 wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

Ash let her hair down. Should they make her obese as opposed to attractive? How about giving her armor so square you wouldn't be able to tell what was underneath? Might as well make the males obese while you're at it. Can't have them looking lean and muscular otherwise we'll be objectifying men and selling them as sex objects too. Two topics guranteed to get 50 pages worth of responses: Religion and women in games.

Agreed! What is wrong with attractive females or males in games nowdays? Get over it OP, i can't stand people who moan about any attractive females in a game, so what if Ash is wearing a skintight outfit? You DO realise she has shields?, but i guess you don't or that may be a dealbreaker for your immersion. Get a life and stop bothering the designers of this game.

I'm getting tired of this being the sole argument from both fans and developers. Shields offer the most protection in the ME universe, thats certain, but saying that shields are the only defense you need is like saying all police officers need is a bullet-proof vest underneath a tank-top for protection. 

You might want a different example dude because a bullet-proof vest would indeed be ample protection for police officers;)

Shields are the best in ME, so I had to use something of equal value in reality.

Anyways, let me rephrase my question - do police officers wear bullet-proofs vests without any other form of protection/clothing? Do they leave their arms and legs completed exposed? 

[LetMeW1n]

Do try volunteering at a foreign orphanage or something if you're not too nationalistic.. It can be quite a fulfilling experience, not necessarily life-changing, but it can widen your perspectives a bit. Might not open you up to previously fictional soldier chick now in catsuit though.

Although one can hope it not to be the case, one must be at peace with matters one consider unable to influence. Since one is interested enough to talk about it 9 months prior, one should not make it wasted time in the future.

At least try not to let the bad emotions run in what is not considered personal, lol. Unless you do, which I recommend you to ignore detractors and go harass the(poor) art dudes some more.

I'm doing thi for my weird sense of vanity btw

[Russalka]

I still want to know why Kaidan isn't in a sexy suit himself.

[Walker White]

Mesina2 wrote...

And despite the feedback of that and giving armor to Liara and Miranda they went step backwards with Ashley's new outfit.

If we don't say we don't want this in ME3, it's gonna be in ME3 and people will complain then too late. Then is shame on us.

Your voice only matters "all things being equal."  

Your voice certainly matters much less than their data mining algorithms.  Things like 80% of the players playing a soldier, and 80% playing male.  Because that gives them a true understanding of the actual player-base.  Not this feedback loop of a forum.

It is in their best interest to cater to the forum fan base when it will not adversely affect the player base at large.  In that case, they are essentially throwing us a bone.  Which is a valuable thing, because there is this feedback loop which makes our voices louder than they actually are, and bad press is bad.  

But if listening to us will turn off the larger player base, then it is not worth their while to do so.  In that case, it is in their financial best interest to tell us to take a hike.

[-Skorpious-]

Walker White wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

And despite the feedback of that and giving armor to Liara and Miranda they went step backwards with Ashley's new outfit.

If we don't say we don't want this in ME3, it's gonna be in ME3 and people will complain then too late. Then is shame on us.

Your voice only matters "all things being equal."  

Your voice certainly matters much less than their data mining algorithms.  Things like 80% of the players playing a soldier, and 80% playing male.  Because that gives them a true understanding of the actual player-base.  Not this feedback loop of a forum.

It is in their best interest to cater to the forum fan base when it will not adversely affect the player base at large.  In that case, they are essentially throwing us a bone.  Which is a valuable thing, because there is this feedback loop which makes our voices louder than they actually are, and bad press is bad.  

But if listening to us will turn off the larger player base, then it is not worth their while to do so.  In that case, it is in their financial best interest to tell us to take a hike.

Or develop a second outfit to please all fans? Yay, everybody wins! 

[Antivenger]

Russalka wrote...

I still want to know why Kaidan isn't in a sexy suit himself.

There's no reason to put plating on his hiney. Trust me, come ME3 Kaidan's backside will be all latex, all the time

[FictionalBreger]

Mesina2 wrote...



Spot the difference.


Also there are called light, medium and heavy armor for a reason.

Nice picture.

I'll counter with these!

Terminus armor - I'd qualify this as Heavy armor, wouldn't you? Fair enough, it was a pre-order bonus, so it only partially counts. But Shepard could wear it, so it does count in the end.
Kestrel armor - Modular pieces, but put together, they look like Heavy armor to me.
Collector armor - This looks Heavy, going by your "reference" picture above.
Cerberus Assault Armor - Yes, definitely Heavy.
Blood Dragon armor - Between Heavy and Medium. Most likely Heavy.
Inferno armor - Not sure, but Medium/Heavy. Slightly more Heavy than Medium, though, I'd say.
N7 Chestplate - Don't know. Possibly Medium, most certainly not Light.
Aegis Vest - Modular piece, but sure looks very protective to me. It's Heavy.

In fact, most of the modular pieces look like Medium or Heavy armor to me. Barely a single Light piece there.
So Adept Shepard can wear Heavy armor. Oh noes!

Anyway, I do agree with you, on the whole "Ashley should wear heavy/medium armor, not light armor(catsuit, as some want to call it)", but I don't think she'll use that through the entire game. I wouldn't be surprised if she pulls out her "real" armor once you're away from Earth.

[Oblivious]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Oblivious wrote...

You might want a different example dude because a bullet-proof vest would indeed be ample protection for police officers;)

Shields are the best in ME, so I had to use something of equal value in reality.

Anyways, let me rephrase my question - do police officers wear bullet-proofs vests without any other form of protection/clothing? Do they leave their arms and legs completed exposed? 

Here let me help you find an example. Modern day Soldiers/Marines wear multiple layers of heavy clothing alongside their bullet-proof vest and helmets not because they expect the clothing to stop a bullet but rather to protect against shrapnel and things like glass that may be caught in the wind. They rely principally on their vest to stop bullets but the helmet and clothing are there for shrapnel. Which is precisely the reason I find it odd how Ashley can be deemed "unrealistic" in her new design since her rather resilient-looking apparel seems more than sufficient to deal with shrapnel.

[Eski.Moe]

I love the ones that come in and rant about "OMG YOU GUYS COMPLAINING ABOUT SHOWING BOOBS! ARE WE IN THE 1500s!?" especially when it comes to Ash. Missing the point much? It isn't about the boob showing, at least not to me, but rather with the tampering with a character who didn't seem to need it before. Though, I have to say that I like the rants about not understand character progression even more.

I have to say that I will not mind at all if there are alternate armours that do rectify this. Would be much appreciated.Or at least have the change be explained.

Modifié par Eski.Moe, 12 juin 2011 - 02:35 .

[CroGamer002]

Walker White wrote...

Your voice only matters "all things being equal." 

???

Your voice certainly matters much less than their data mining algorithms.  Things like 80% of the players playing a soldier, and 80% playing male.  Because that gives them a true understanding of the actual player-base.  Not this feedback loop of a forum.

So you're saying male gamers love to only have woman character with nice ass and tight outfits to see them better and easier to see boobs even though it's agianst their character?

I find that both offensive and sexist.

It is in their best interest to cater to the forum fan base when it will not adversely affect the player base at large.  In that case, they are essentially throwing us a bone.  Which is a valuable thing, because there is this feedback loop which makes our voices louder than they actually are, and bad press is bad. 

So you're saying BIoware doesn't listen to it's fans because most of consumers aren't on forums.

Also what about Liara and Miranda with DLC's?

Liara's character was betrayed in ME2 and she was fixed and made intresting in LotSB and she had actual light armor.


After that people started to demand Miranda to have actual armor in DLC and she got it.

But if listening to us will turn off the larger player base, then it is not worth their while to do so.  In that case, it is in their financial best interest to tell us to take a hike.

How is giving actual armor to Ashley turns off other people to buy Mass Effect 3?