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[Leonia]

True Zarken wrote...

No one will drop the subject will they?

I am just wondering why it's just all of a sudden when E3 hit that people are complaining in full force. What about when Game informer released a picture of her ages ago? Where were all the haters then?

To be fair, most people couldn't see those images for awhile because magazine scans aren't allowed on the forums. Of course, E3 has put ME3 in the spotlight now so it makes sense that everyone is scrutinising every square inch of the footage we've been shown so far and drawing rockhard conclusions from them. Even though we know the game has 9 months left of development time.

You know what my major complaint is? It looks like Kaidan and Ashley have swapped armour. Kaidan didn't wear heavy armour in ME1 and arguably his ME2 suit could be considered medium at best. He should be the one in the darn catsuit (oh boy, here come the flames from the Kaidan fans, I'm only half-joking!) and Ash should be wearing the heavier suit that he has on. But if that's not what's on the agenda for the devs then.. meh. What can ya do.

Suck it up princess.

[TheBlackBaron]

marshalleck wrote...

True Zarken wrote...

No one will drop the subject will they? 

I am just wondering why it's just all of a sudden when E3 hit that people are complaining in full force. What about when Game informer released a picture of her ages ago? Where were all the haters then?

They were there then too, just fewer of them. Probably due to less media exposure.

Anyways, it seems like complaints turn into memes on these forums. All it takes is a few people whining about something and all of a sudden it's an existential crisis spawning 100-page complaint threads

I lol'd. 

But yes, this is the first mass media exposure many have gotten to Ash's new appearance (though I will reserve judgement on it until we see her at all outside of the opening scences; Shepard and Anderson are likewise out of armor), so there are many more people to complain about. Not everybody gets GI and it can be hard to make out anything more than general details when dealing with crappy magazine scans. 

leonia42 wrote...
You know what my major complaint is? It looks like Kaidan and Ashley have swapped armour. Kaidan didn't wear heavy armour in ME1 and arguably his ME2 suit could be considered medium at best. He should be the one in the darn catsuit (oh boy, here come the flames from the Kaidan fans, I'm only half-joking!) and Ash should be wearing the heavier suit that he has on. But if that's not what's on the agenda for the devs then.. meh. What can ya do. 

I would love Kaidan in a catusuit. It would be so much easier to mock him.

Or at least it would be if he wasn't dead in all my games.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 12 juin 2011 - 08:51 .

[GodWood]

True Zarken wrote...
No one will drop the subject will they?

I am just wondering why it's just all of a sudden when E3 hit that people are complaining in full force. What about when Game informer released a picture of her ages ago? Where were all the haters then?

Complaining about the outfit.

There was numerous decent length threads hating on it then as well.
Hell, there's been a bucket load of threads b*tching about catsuits in general ever since ME2's release.

[Whatever42]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Casey Hudson does not agree with you.

From that quote, Casey regards Star Wars as science fiction. Star Wars has magic, glowing swords, ghosts, and the typical farm boy grows up to be hero plot. It's fantasy. Mass Effect is fantasy.

Not that fantasy doesn't have to follow its own rules too but don't expect it to be "realistic".

[FluffyScarf]

Only 4 pages? Maybe if we get this to 65 pages, they might add more suits to appease the doombringers (TK,G9).

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 08:52 .

[Akizora]

Earth is a hazardous environment? Really? You haven't seen Ashley in a hazardous environment yet, you haven't even seen her anywhere but in the gameplay walkthrough where she picks up Shepard.

[GodWood]

Terror_K wrote...

Eh... Miss Norman doesn't even seem to know her own games' lore it seems. Somebody else commented recently on something similar on her Twitter and she said something along the lines of, "the primary defense technology in ME is shields" (paraphrased).

Gee, last time I checked, kinetic barriers were something that was PART OF ARMOUR. They weren't just a bracelet or belt you could slap on; they needed a power source. Same goes for the medi-gel dispensers, they're part of armour too. And yet squaddies wearing paper-thin gear with no power source and even as little as some nipple straps can somehow magically get the benefits of kinetic barriers and medi-gel dispensers that magically comes from nowhere. Biotics can get away with the barriers to a degree due to having natural biotic barriers, but that only takes you so far.

The thing was the original game did such a good job of making sure everybody dressed appropriately for a group of individuals who knew they'd be exploring unknown worlds. There was such thought and care put into the design of the armour, because it wasn't JUST armour for combat but doubled as a space suit, survival suit, hazmat suit, environment suit, etc. It was always properly sealed and a full helmet always came into play when needed. ME2 just ignored this for immature, pathetic "rule of cool" style "dudebro" bullcrap designs just to appeal to mindless horny teenagers it seems. It's pathetic. The least they could have done is made the suits sealable and/or had alternates for the appropriate areas. But no... and we didn't even get proper helmets, instead silly-looking breathing masks that half the time weren't even attached to anything.

And even now BioWare and the ME2 devs just seem to completely ignore this aspect. Liara suffered the same issues despite the complaints in LotSB, long after people had brought up the issue. Sure, we got armour for Miranda in a Alt Appearance Pack, but it was wasted because she still had a stupid breathing mask instead of a full helmet. Now we've got Ashley looking like Miranda II it seems in ME3. BioWare just don't seem to acknowledge this as an issue at all! It's beyond frustrating as a fan who just can't take this universe seriously any more because of it and feels it just makes the whole IP look childish and poorly thought-out. All just because they want to appeal to a broader, stupider audience who like pathetic fan-service and over-the-top nonsense like this.

Finally, you can't have a major plotpoint being the main character being exposed to space and killed one moment, but then have almost all the other main characters seemingly completely immune to the dangers of space so trivially for the rest of the game. You can't be both an intelligent, deep and mature sci-fi and also be an over-the-top, mindless "dudebro/rule of cool" affair that lacks consistency as well. Either go back to the intelligent, thought-provoking and deep sci-fi you set out to be in the first place, or just go all the way Michael Bay if you're going to keep shoveling the ****e with stuff like this. Stop trying to play the middle-ground, because it doesn't work, and pretty much every attempt you make to be believable and have integrity as a sci-fi IP is automatically flushed down the toilet when you have BS like the ME2 outfits and other juvenile Modern Hollywood aspects on the go.

QFT

[TheBlackBaron]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

From that quote, Casey regards Star Wars as science fiction. Star Wars has magic, glowing swords, ghosts, and the typical farm boy grows up to be hero plot. It's fantasy. Mass Effect is fantasy.

Not that fantasy doesn't have to follow its own rules too but don't expect it to be "realistic".

*facepalm*

I direct you to the Mohs Scale of Science Fiction Hardness. It's sci-fi, just soft sci-fi. Frankly, Trek is just as bad when it comes to handwaving everything in existence but you rarely see somebody accusing it of not being sci-fi. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 12 juin 2011 - 08:54 .

[zeoduos]

GUYS! The reapers are coming. Our favorite characters can be naked for all I f****n' care, but we need to save the world. No time to look good or look realistic, WE MUST ELIMINATE REAPERZ.

[Xewaka]

darknoon5 wrote...

Xewaka wrote...
Seeing a formerly level-headed and practical character destroy his former image makes it worse.

You do know this is referring to Ashley, right?
Also, I think the OP is childish and annoying. They've made it clear they love ME1, dislike ME2 and dislike the direction of ME3, so why stick around? Their harassment of Christina was also uncalled for and childish, even had they been asking somebody who actually deals with the artistic side of things.

The only situation where english has more gender variety than my main language, and I always mix it up, heh. I do share the same concerns, and considering the latest manoeuvre of Bioware, my blind faith quota's been drained.

[N7 Nick]

I really hope you all don't lose sleep over this at night, cause it seems like some of you do...

[D.Kain]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Only 4 pages? Maybe if we get this to 65 pages, they might add more suits to appease the doombringers (TK,G9).

65 it is then! :happy:

Anyway, I just want my Shepard to be in a catsuit, either everybody get's one or nobody.

[CroGamer002]

Warkupo wrote...

You're making the assumption that everyone considers art by the same standards that you do. 

They don't.

I'm pretty sure majority of people find this kind of art not serious, especially in video games that most people think it's just an entertainment.

Hell, most traditional art features completely naked women and as an Artist myself I can tell you that I spend more time looking at naked women than heavily clothed ones. A lot of people consider the female body itself to be artistic.

So what you've just said to me, is that Ashley should be naked. 

I agree entirely.

I'd like for you to make a movie with naked woman running around.

You'll see what feedback you'll get.



With video game, it would be way worse.






Also redesigning Ashley is unnecessary. There was nothing wrong with her ME1 and ME2 design.

[Leonia]

Akizora wrote...

Earth is a hazardous environment? Really? You haven't seen Ashley in a hazardous environment yet, you haven't even seen her anywhere but in the gameplay walkthrough where she picks up Shepard.

Sh, don't put facts in the story.

@Terror_K: You're REALLY nit-picking with the lore there and do you really think the outfits in ME2 are over the top, Rule of Cool? Really? Seriously? I must be playing a totally different game. I mean, sure some of them are impractical and don't make too much sense in space but how much time did we really spend in hazardous environments looking at them?

[FluffyScarf]

You're arguing with TK. Expect a 500 word essay on how you're wrong and how M1 is so clean and perfect.

[marshalleck]

Mesina2 wrote...

Also redesigning Ashley is unnecessary. There was nothing wrong with her ME1 and ME2 design.

The pink armor was a bit silly, although hardly important in the bigger picture...pretty much the same can be said of her new light armor. 

A much more significant development for her character is becoming a Spectre, but funnily enough all the people who claim to care so much about the integrity of her character never even mention this at all. They just obssess over her clothes like it's some Hollywood red carpet affair.

[GodWood]

Akizora wrote...
Earth is a hazardous environment? Really? You haven't seen Ashley in a hazardous environment yet, you haven't even seen her anywhere but in the gameplay walkthrough where she picks up Shepard.

Past design choices (Miranda, Samara) and recent Dev quotes lead us to believe this will be her armour.

I'd love to be wrong but I'm pretty confident I'm not.

[Whatever42]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

From that quote, Casey regards Star Wars as science fiction. Star Wars has magic, glowing swords, ghosts, and the typical farm boy grows up to be hero plot. It's fantasy. Mass Effect is fantasy.

Not that fantasy doesn't have to follow its own rules too but don't expect it to be "realistic".

*facepalm*

I direct you to the Mohs Scale of Science Fiction Hardness. It's sci-fi, just soft sci-fi. Frankly, Trek is just as bad when it comes to handwaving everything in existence but you rarely see somebody accusing it of not being sci-fi. 

I've never seen that scale. But I have heard lots of people refuse to refer to Star Wars and Star Trek as real science fiction. The scale is an interesting one, however. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

[Icinix]

leonia42 wrote...
(snippies!)
..... I mean, sure some of them are impractical and don't make too much sense in space but how much time did we really spend in hazardous environments looking at them?

Pretty much this. I don't like it, but the only time its an issue is when you're too busy running around doing other stuff to notice. So it almost becomes a moot point.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Casey Hudson does not agree with you.

From that quote, Casey regards Star Wars as science fiction. Star Wars has magic, glowing swords, ghosts, and the typical farm boy grows up to be hero plot. It's fantasy. Mass Effect is fantasy.

Not that fantasy doesn't have to follow its own rules too but don't expect it to be "realistic".

How convenient that you've removed that quote. Let me highlight it for you...

Casey Hudson wrote...

To me, it's a huge science fiction universe in the style of the big science fiction properties like Star Trek and Star Wars, [snip]

He is using the word "and" to designate both. That means he does not (unlike you) treat one of the two special and thus your opinion does not match his.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 12 juin 2011 - 09:06 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

After reading the title of the thread, I swear I mustn't have been the only one to come up with a mental image of Shepard doing a Darth Vader - "I find your lack of faith disturbing..."

[TheBlackBaron]

marshalleck wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Also redesigning Ashley is unnecessary. There was nothing wrong with her ME1 and ME2 design.

The pink armor was a bit silly, although hardly important in the bigger picture...pretty much the same can be said of her new light armor. 

A much more significant development for her character is becoming a Spectre, but funnily enough all the people who claim to care so much about the integrity of her character never even mention this at all. They just obssess over her clothes like it's some Hollywood red carpet affair.

The white and pink armor also annoyed me, actually, but I'll be the first to admit I can be pretty anal about armor appearances. I refused to use Colossus because of the red hot pants - usually went with the Predator series instead. 

Anyways, in this case I think it's because we know very little about her character development aisde from her becoming a Spectre (and frankly, I don't want to know much about it until I actually get the game) combined with anger in certain corners over everything ME2 did. 

[Warkupo]

Mesina2 wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

You're making the assumption that everyone considers art by the same standards that you do. 

They don't.

I'm pretty sure majority of people find this kind of art not serious, especially in video games that most people think it's just an entertainment.

Hell, most traditional art features completely naked women and as an Artist myself I can tell you that I spend more time looking at naked women than heavily clothed ones. A lot of people consider the female body itself to be artistic.

So what you've just said to me, is that Ashley should be naked. 

I agree entirely.

I'd like for you to make a movie with naked woman running around.

You'll see what feedback you'll get.



With video game, it would be way worse.






Also redesigning Ashley is unnecessary. There was nothing wrong with her ME1 and ME2 design.

Her boobs were pretty saggy. Personally, I'm glad she got a bra with some support, finally. 

Also, Titanic. 

[jeweledleah]

Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...
(snippies!)
..... I mean, sure some of them are impractical and don't make too much sense in space but how much time did we really spend in hazardous environments looking at them?

Pretty much this. I don't like it, but the only time its an issue is when you're too busy running around doing other stuff to notice. So it almost becomes a moot point.

except when you land on a planet with Hazardous enviroment and Mordin starts talking about having to be careful as the atmosphere is toxic..... while wearing a facemask.  and the cutscenes/conversations... which are many.

and watching Miranda climb/jump over storage boxes - that got jarring enough that Miranda stopped coming to away missions.

is alternate appearance that looks like a more conventional armor and hopefuly doesn't require ceparate purchase - too much to ask for?

[TheBlackBaron]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

From that quote, Casey regards Star Wars as science fiction. Star Wars has magic, glowing swords, ghosts, and the typical farm boy grows up to be hero plot. It's fantasy. Mass Effect is fantasy.

Not that fantasy doesn't have to follow its own rules too but don't expect it to be "realistic".

*facepalm*

I direct you to the Mohs Scale of Science Fiction Hardness. It's sci-fi, just soft sci-fi. Frankly, Trek is just as bad when it comes to handwaving everything in existence but you rarely see somebody accusing it of not being sci-fi. 

I've never seen that scale. But I have heard lots of people refuse to refer to Star Wars and Star Trek as real science fiction. The scale is an interesting one, however. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

It's just an example - sci-fi's pretty much always been divided into hard and soft. Science fiction is as prone to nerd in-fighting and one-upsmanship as any genre, so that's why you get people saying Star Wars and Trek and such aren't "real" science fiction.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 12 juin 2011 - 09:07 .