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[FluffyScarf]

Still can't see cleavage. Just a long neck in that Ash image.

[Terror_K]

FluffyScarf wrote...

ME1 had a giant insect impale someone through the chest. But that wasn't 'very Hollywood' apparently. It also had a space battle, very much like the space battles in every sci-fi space film released. It even had dramatic forced choices on who should stay to arm the nuke. Very Terminator-ish. And lets not forget the ever so convenient 'flashback of doom' Shepard received. But I guess that isn't Hollywood at all.

There's a difference between being "cinematic" and being "Modern Hollywood" though. Mass Effect purposefully tries to be cinematic, but it was supposed to be inspired by (again, according to several devs), the sci-fi films and
shows from the late 70's through to early 90's, with mostly 80's stuff. Casey Hudson and others have often pointed to and listed the likes of The Empire Strikes Back, Star Trek II and III, Alien and Aliens, Blade Runner, Dune, etc. as the areas and style they were going for. These are a far cry from the likes of Michael Bay's Transformers, G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra, XXX, Stealth, etc. from the last decade or so. And that's the type of "Modern Hollywood" stuff that seems to be seeping in as BioWare tries to appeal more to the younger audience of today who lap this stuff up.

Modifié par Terror_K, 12 juin 2011 - 09:54 .

[Whatever42]

We don't want to see Ashely's breasts? But the ME1 armor is very form fitting in that regard.



I'm not really sure how this is less revealing than what we saw in the trailer. Are we entirely only concerned that she has some cleavage. If she had an undershirt, we'd be 100% ok?

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 12 juin 2011 - 09:55 .

[FluffyScarf]

Well they showed her bare neck. Which is morally wrong. Somehow. <_<

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 09:55 .

[Icinix]

..individual characters aside..

what really irks me is blokes are now typically wearing massive heavy armour, and women are now wearing typically skin tight clothes with makeup and long flowing hair.

You're taking a step forward with same sex relationships, and a step backwards with the portrayal of men as hulking soldiers and women as eye candy.

[Terror_K]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

We don't want to see Ashely's breasts? But the ME1 armor is very form fitting in that regard.

I'm not really sure how this is less revealing than what we saw in the trailer.

Aside from her new one being lower-cut, it's not. But it's less practical and less "Ashley" overall.

[Ziggy]

It looks far more like armour, what she wore in the trailer just looked like a fashion statement.

[sissysouthpaw]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Well they showed her bare neck. Which is morally wrong. Somehow. <_<

Neck? Are you serious?

[Hattie]

Icinix wrote...

..individual characters aside..

what really irks me is blokes are now typically wearing massive heavy armour, and women are now wearing typically skin tight clothes with makeup and long flowing hair.

You're taking a step forward with same sex relationships, and a step backwards with the portrayal of men as hulking soldiers and women as eye candy.

+1
So true

[FluffyScarf]

Ash is too cool for armor anyway. You can't even see her cleavage. Just a thin strip of neck. Male Shep shows more skin in his casual outfit on the SR2. Two bare forearms!

[True Zarken]

I have a dream; That all of us can drop this topic and move onto more important topics that involve the Mass Effect franchise. Space Combat, Ground Combat, RPG Elements, Customization, and the grand conclusion of Romances.

Do we really want many, many more months of appearance threads when those topics are waiting to be talked about in full force?

[Whatever42]

Terror_K wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

We don't want to see Ashely's breasts? But the ME1 armor is very form fitting in that regard.

I'm not really sure how this is less revealing than what we saw in the trailer.

Aside from her new one being lower-cut, it's not. But it's less practical and less "Ashley" overall.

Ah, so we're not talking about a Miranda catsuit but simply a style that is un-Ashley. Now we're in for a character debate. What we see in the SS is clearly light armor. Ashley is also clearly more casual. It is somewhat out of character compared to what she portrayed in ME1. 

However, there might be reasons that she's wearing light armor. Maybe her role has changed so heavy combat armor is not appropriate. As for the hair style, well, people do sometimes change. Or perhaps again, she's that way for a specific reason. I don't think its reasonable that we take it as a harbinger of doom, however.

[Hattie]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Ash is too cool for armor anyway. You can't even see her cleavage. Just a thin strip of neck. Male Shep shows more skin in his casual outfit on the SR2. Two bare forearms!

Key word there being 'casual', Shep wears full body bulky armour in combat.

[Akizora]

Icinix wrote...

..individual characters aside..

what really irks me is blokes are now typically wearing massive heavy armour, and women are now wearing typically skin tight clothes with makeup and long flowing hair.

You're taking a step forward with same sex relationships, and a step backwards with the portrayal of men as hulking soldiers and women as eye candy.

Yes I can totally see how Thane and Jacob are wearing massive amounts of armor and not showing any pecs, abs or arm muscle at all..No no not at all.

[CroGamer002]

Warkupo wrote...

Yeah, except she wasn't wearing a camo jacket and a beret.

Not the point.

The outfit she mentioned that she liked was the standard issue, pink and white form-fitting space armor.

No, it's heavy armor.

She never mentioned color pink or white.


And color is not an issue, but switching from heavy armor to light armor that doesn't even look like a light armor.

The fact that she's still wearing form fitting space armor shouldn't surprise anyone. Especially someone who is suddenly claiming to be as 'lore conscious' as you are.

The hell are you talking about?

*Titanic had a lot of media outrage due to that one scene. I doubt anyone fell in love from that one scene. That still isn't my point. My point is that people heard of a movie with a naked girl in it, and they freaked out. Once they movie actually aired, everyone realized how silly their concern was and that what they initially thought wasn't anywhere near as vulgar as what they'd imagined.

How the hell is that scene same thing as heavy sexy armor in combat?

In Titanic it's emotionally engaging.

In ME3 it's cheesy and ridiculous.

I won't even get into the trouble Mass Effect itself got from the media for its' little sex scene. That overreaction was priceless.

Romance scene in ME1 were emotionally engaging.

She having this sexy outfit in combat in cheesy and ridiculous.


Different things.

If that outfit is just in Normandy or some other "safe house" place, then it's not really an issue.
In combat it's an issue.

[D.Kain]

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[FluffyScarf]

The beings with pointy ears showed more skin in armor in DA. They had bare bellies and more exposed skin around their chest than any image shown of Ash.

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 12 juin 2011 - 10:05 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

We don't want to see Ashely's breasts? But the ME1 armor is very form fitting in that regard.

I'm not really sure how this is less revealing than what we saw in the trailer.

Aside from her new one being lower-cut, it's not. But it's less practical and less "Ashley" overall.

Ah, so we're not talking about a Miranda catsuit but simply a style that is un-Ashley. Now we're in for a character debate. What we see in the SS is clearly light armor. Ashley is also clearly more casual. It is somewhat out of character compared to what she portrayed in ME1. 

However, there might be reasons that she's wearing light armor. Maybe her role has changed so heavy combat armor is not appropriate. As for the hair style, well, people do sometimes change. Or perhaps again, she's that way for a specific reason. I don't think its reasonable that we take it as a harbinger of doom, however.

Noooo Ash must have the bun! It saves the universe!

[sissysouthpaw]

FluffyScarf wrote...

The beings with pointy ears showed more skin in armor in DA. They had bare bellies and more exposed skin around their chest than any image shown of Ash.

What's this got to do with anything?

[Whatever42]

Liisi wrote...
Noooo Ash must have the bun! It saves the universe!

Well, I'm embarrassed. I understand the problem now. All is lost!

[FluffyScarf]

Image won't work. It's do with the outrage that Ash looks wrong with skin exposed in armor while another BW game puts women in more revealing armor without complaint.

[Icinix]

Akizora wrote...

Icinix wrote...

..individual characters aside..

what really irks me is blokes are now typically wearing massive heavy armour, and women are now wearing typically skin tight clothes with makeup and long flowing hair.

You're taking a step forward with same sex relationships, and a step backwards with the portrayal of men as hulking soldiers and women as eye candy.

Yes I can totally see how Thane and Jacob are wearing massive amounts of armor and not showing any pecs, abs or arm muscle at all..No no not at all.

I'll re-iterate the NOW part....of course, I'm happy to be proven wrong with some new screenshots of ME3 confirming otherwise - but in the absence of further information I thought I would jump on the bandwagon like everyone else and jump to conclusions based on the tid bits we have.

[CroGamer002]

True Zarken wrote...

I have a dream; That all of us can drop this topic and move onto more important topics that involve the Mass Effect franchise. Space Combat, Ground Combat, RPG Elements, Customization, and the grand conclusion of Romances.

Do we really want many, many more months of appearance threads when those topics are waiting to be talked about in full force?

What can we really talked about this stuff?

Space Combat? Not seeing it outside of cutscenes.

Ground Combat? We saw E3 Demo. Nothing to discuss outside of how will other classes look.

RPG Elements? We saw them in E3 Demo and no real complainant.

Customization? With exception of how shall we customize squadmate, nothing really to discuss.

[Whatever42]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Image won't work. It's do with the outrage that Ash looks wrong with skin exposed in armor while another BW game puts women in more revealing armor without complaint.

I think the debate has moved on from Ash showing skin and being in a catsuit to that she's looking more casual and attractive, which is un-Ashleylike. This is a betrayal of her character from a hardcore, butch marine (who wore form-fitting pink armor) into a sexpot. What's worse is that this demonstrates the continuing sellout of Bioware which means ME3 is clearly doomed. I think.

[Terror_K]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Ah, so we're not talking about a Miranda catsuit but simply a style that is un-Ashley. Now we're in for a character debate. What we see in the SS is clearly light armor. Ashley is also clearly more casual. It is somewhat out of character compared to what she portrayed in ME1. 

However, there might be reasons that she's wearing light armor. Maybe her role has changed so heavy combat armor is not appropriate. As for the hair style, well, people do sometimes change. Or perhaps again, she's that way for a specific reason. I don't think its reasonable that we take it as a harbinger of doom, however.

Hey, I'll admit that until we know more it's too early to cry havoc about it since we've only seen a little of her and haven't seen what she's like as a squaddie yet, etc. but BioWare has yet to give any indication that they're going to reverse the horrible trend that ME2 went with, and given how Ashley's been shown every time thus far it seems likely that this is going to be her standard appearance until something to the contrary is seen. Again, it could be just her early or casual appearance, and she may have some proper, practical armour as a sqadmate on missions, but there's no indication of it. And given how BioWare just don't seem to acknowledge the lack of practicality as an issue (and that they in fact made the stupid mistake in ME2 in the first place, which I honestly thought  they were better than) doesn't give much confidence.

Again, given that exploration is supposed to be part of Mass Effect, and that this is a group of people who know very well they could be visiting dangerous, unknown worlds, it's pretty stupid that they aren't really prepared for it dress-wise. Especially given how everybody in the original game seemed to acknowledge the dangers of space. To me it's about as consistent and logical as if would be if the quarians were able to suddenly walk around without helmets and environmental suits in ME3 without explanation.