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[Paulinius]

The SR-2 is worth a lot more than 3 billion credits. In ME1, when you return to the Citadel and get a surprise inspection from an Alliance admiral he said that the SR1 had 120 billion credits worth of element zero in her core. The SR2 is supposed to have an element core twice the size of the SR1, so assuming that element zero prices remained stable the SR2 is worth at least 240 billion credits. Now through in all the upgrades, EDI, et cetera and that makes it one valuable little ship.

[Paul Sedgmore]

Cerberus has been declared as a terrorist organisation by both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel, any and all property of said organisation can be converscated and examined and repurposed by said governments as they see fit as the property now belongs to them.

[GnusmasTHX]

The Alliance stole from Shepard, if anything.

Those prototype designs were sold to and purchased by Shepard, using our own resources.

[Father_Jerusalem]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

If you make a toaster, and I get the plans and use those plans to make a toaster, and then upgrade my toaster... that gives you the right to sue me for copyright infringment and even have me arrested for theft, but it doesn't mean you can come and jack my toaster, even if I am a criminal organization....

Your toaster isn't a high powered warship.

You've obviously never put a Thanix cannon on a toaster.

What? I get bored easily.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Bumped for awesomeness.

[ME 3]

Are you suggesting that if you captured a human supremacy terrorist organisations fastest and best ship you'd give it back to them?

[SeismicGravy]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Advanced mineral scanner or Heavy ship armor - both of which were Cerberus designs as well.

The Silaris ship armor was an Asari design IIRC.

[Gruntburner]

The SR-2 was using top secret designs that belonged to the Alliance. It also belonged to a known terrorist organization.

[Mykel54]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

Cerberus has been declared as a terrorist organisation by both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel, any and all property of said organisation can be converscated and examined and repurposed by said governments as they see fit as the property now belongs to them.

Cerberus is only labeled as "terrorist organisation" by the council races to limit and control the technological development of the humanity, in order for the council races to remain top dog.

The alliance is simply a naive organization that believes all this alien propaganda and is the main reason why humanity has to accept whatever policy the council dictates (play ME1 again). Humanity will always be a client race for the aliens as long as it relies on the technology and goodwill of the council races in order to expand in the galaxy.

[Archer]

ElitePinecone wrote...

JadeEffect wrote...
Replay Mass Effect 1. Rear Admiral Kahoku said that Cerberus was once a part of the Alliance that gone rogue. He sends you this in a tranmission.

This was retconned in ME2. 

Cerberus was founded by TIM outside of Alliance structures. They weren't a black-ops organisation that went rogue, that was true in ME but rejected by what the novels and ME2 stated.

There are high-ranking Alliance officials who are either directly Cerberus operatives or sympathetic to Cerberus, but they very clearly aren't the same thing. The mainstream Alliance leadership are very worried about Cerberus infiltration. 

Again, Cerberus wasn't founded as part of the Alliance. That was true in ME1, but has been disproven by the novels and ME2. 

Ummm.. isnt it retconned again in ME3? The two guards on the Normandy, outside the com room, talk about Cerberus being a former Alliance Black Ops outfit...

[SalsaDMA]

By the end of ME2 the ship was Shepards, not Cerberus'.

So the question is more, why did shepard allow the alliance to grab his/her spectre ship?
My renegade shep would certainly never have allowed it, and she never did arrival putting her out of the whole batarian incident thingie.

[iSousek]

You know that governments IRL are known to take someones property without paying for it. For example if it was illegaly acquired or if it is deemed too dangerous to keep in ones possession. Its called confiscation

Edit: Cerberus started as an Alliance black ops organization comissioned by general Williams during First Contact War. But it wasn't officially called Cerberus back than.
What Kohoku says is complete bollocks because he implies that Cerberus went rogue recently

Modifié par iSousek, 01 juin 2012 - 07:21 .

[Sergeant Dre]

The ship belongs to Shepard. At no point during the course of ME2 did the Illusive Man go "Oh, and the ship is mine. I want it back after you defeat the collectors." He gave it to Shepard as a gift to make him cooperate better.

The Thanix Cannon is a shared weapon between the Alliance and Turians.

The Quarians never made objections to the Alliance using it. (I thought the shielding and Armor was from the Asari)

And the advanced scanning is a public tool.

[I_Jedi]

ME 3 wrote...

Are you suggesting that if you captured a human supremacy terrorist organisations fastest and best ship you'd give it back to them?

I'd be fine with handing it over to cerberus HQ if something like arrival happened when it arrived.

[Lmaoboat]

Mykel54 wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

Cerberus has been declared as a terrorist organisation by both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel, any and all property of said organisation can be converscated and examined and repurposed by said governments as they see fit as the property now belongs to them.

Cerberus is only labeled as "terrorist organisation" by the council races to limit and control the technological development of the humanity, in order for the council races to remain top dog.

The alliance is simply a naive organization that believes all this alien propaganda and is the main reason why humanity has to accept whatever policy the council dictates (play ME1 again). Humanity will always be a client race for the aliens as long as it relies on the technology and goodwill of the council races in order to expand in the galaxy.

Sometimes I think people get way too into this game, but then I remember I'm on the forum where someone made a scientific paper on what Tali's sweat would taste like.

[Rrezz]

the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

[dreman9999]

 First, Shepard took the ship form Cerberus.
Then whenhe gave himself up to the Alliance, he gave his ship to them.
And then they gave it back to him....

And this is stealing?

Oh, and cerbgerus can GTH.

[Ticonderoga117]

Shepard stole the ship with help from EDI.
And my Shep was ecstatic that he did. One more middle finger to TIM for being stupid.

[dreman9999]

eveynameiwantisfekintaken wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

JadeEffect wrote...
Replay Mass Effect 1. Rear Admiral Kahoku said that Cerberus was once a part of the Alliance that gone rogue. He sends you this in a tranmission.

This was retconned in ME2. 

Cerberus was founded by TIM outside of Alliance structures. They weren't a black-ops organisation that went rogue, that was true in ME but rejected by what the novels and ME2 stated.

There are high-ranking Alliance officials who are either directly Cerberus operatives or sympathetic to Cerberus, but they very clearly aren't the same thing. The mainstream Alliance leadership are very worried about Cerberus infiltration. 

Again, Cerberus wasn't founded as part of the Alliance. That was true in ME1, but has been disproven by the novels and ME2. 

Ummm.. isnt it retconned again in ME3? The two guards on the Normandy, outside the com room, talk about Cerberus being a former Alliance Black Ops outfit...

No...Cerberus was alway former alliance...Read ME:EVOUTION. It was never stated they were not former alliance.

[dreman9999]

Mykel54 wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

Cerberus has been declared as a terrorist organisation by both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel, any and all property of said organisation can be converscated and examined and repurposed by said governments as they see fit as the property now belongs to them.

Cerberus is only labeled as "terrorist organisation" by the council races to limit and control the technological development of the humanity, in order for the council races to remain top dog.

The alliance is simply a naive organization that believes all this alien propaganda and is the main reason why humanity has to accept whatever policy the council dictates (play ME1 again). Humanity will always be a client race for the aliens as long as it relies on the technology and goodwill of the council races in order to expand in the galaxy.

The alliace allowed them to exsist so they can do the illigal test with out having there print on it. Cerberus just went out of control.

[farhansdisplayname]

I'd say Shepard is a thief too, actually. All that safe hacking and poking around crates for credits.

[TeffexPope]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

So in ME3, we are flying a "repurposed" Normandy SR2.

A ship built by Cerberus, paid for by Cerberus, and staffed with Cerberus crew. Yet now, it's an Alliance vessel. The Alliance did not pay for the SR2, it's not their ship.

They flat out shipjacked the SR2 from Cerberus.

You want a reason why Cerberus is hunting Shepard down? Well there's a pretty darn good one right there. Yes, bringing Shepard back to life cost them 3 billon credits, but that's a pittance in comparison to what it cost them to build the SR2, and Shepard just... hands it over to the Alliance? Yeah, I'd be pissed too. 

Not to mention upgrades like the Thanix Cannon - a proprietary Turian design, now in Alliance hands. Or the Multicore Shielding - a design pioneered by the Quarians. How about the Advanced mineral scanner or Heavy ship armor - both of which were Cerberus designs as well. All of these upgrades are now in the hands of the Alliance, and I know I never heard Garrus say "Oh by the way, feel free to hand over top secret weapons technology to the Alliance when you're done with it". 

Say what you will about Cerberus being terrorists and murderers (no to terrorists, yes to murderers, by the way), but at least they don't go around shipjacking people.

Diz OP. Adopting upgrades from other militaries makes you a thief. lawl. This OP.