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[haberman13]

diskoh wrote...

Star Wars is not sci-fi. It's a fantasy series set in space.

Mass Effect is #1 on my list. It would be #2 if Battlestar didn't fall apart (in my opinion) at the end.

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Ok, I'm a little tipsy.

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[MegaBadExample]

I'm not old enough to have played these games. Except ME.
These games are either old or crap. I have not heard of some of them.

[crimzontearz]

Mass Effect 2 started deliberately removing itself from hardcore Sci Fi (hell.....once one took that one leap of logic for eezo everything else was pretty hardcore) to more Sci-fan

thank you Bioware, it's LOVELY to see that the rule of general cool steamrolls over a great setting to appease the drooling masses


sorry I'm knida in a bad mood tonight

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...

So the only difference between sci-fi and fantasy is that one is driven by logic and the other by mere brute existence? that doesn't sound right, to me anyway. Some parts of ME are clearly not logical or at least don't make initial common sense.

I agree - your average fantasy setting is actually a lot more internally consistent than Mass Effect, and "a wizard did it" has the advantage of not making the chunk of your audience who knows anything about biology have to fight back tears of laughter every 2 seconds.

[Gatt9]

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...

So the only difference between sci-fi and fantasy is that one is driven by logic and the other by mere brute existence? that doesn't sound right, to me anyway. Some parts of ME are clearly not logical or at least don't make initial common sense. vice versa Star Wars and other Fantasy settings can have a clearly well though out backstory and have logical conclusions. so my point is this cannot be the only overdriving difference between the two.

I'm not saying that they aren't different, I'm just saying that can't be the only thing that separates them as genres. just saying. anyway back on topic, I think I would rank Mass Effect as in the top twenty of great sci-fi's, with Mass effect at number 12 of that rank.

Generally speaking Sci-fi is based on scientific worlds,  fantasy is based on magical ones.  But really,  they're not any different,  it's a unnecessary breakdown because the only difference between the two is Science vs Magic,  which can actually coexist in the same setting.  Star Wars is a good example of the meshing of the two,  Pern series,  Shanarra,  argueably Dune.

I'm not really sure how that breakdown came about,  because they're really the same features with only one minor difference.

[The Mythical Magician]

1. Doctor Who
2. Star Wars Original Trilogy
3. 2001: A Space Odyssey
4. Star Trek: TNG
5. Blade Runner
6. Mass Effect
7. Back to the Future Trilogy
8. The Matrix Trilogy
9. Halo franchise
10. Terminator franchise


I put Mass Effect as a whole at 6 because I felt the first game took my breath away in amazement, 2nd game lack in plot but made up in character developement, and 3rd game looks to balance everything together.

Modifié par The Mythical Magician, 04 juillet 2011 - 01:33 .

[Had-to-say]

Archereon wrote...

The line between science fiction (soft sci fi at least) and fantasy is not entirely clear in many cases, but for Mass Effect at least, it's unambiguously science fiction, albeit of the "Adventure" type (out of Amisov's three types of science fiction: Gadget (focused on the hard or not so hard science of it) Adventure (using the science as an enabler) and Social (focused on the impact of the science on society), and one which isn't particularly hard, despite what certain fans will tell you.

Star Wars is a much better example of a series that defies classification, for reasons mentioned above.

Now in terms of my top 10, Mass Effect didn't make it into the top 5 but it did make top 10.

1. Ender's Game: Yeah.
2. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
3. Bladerunner: The movie and the book are actually quite different, and compliment each other well.
4. Inception (Yes it's sci fi, and yes I know it was overrated, something with the movie just clicked with me, largely in terms of Fischer's subplot with his father, and the emotional affect was rather astonishing.)
4. 2001 A Space Odyssey
5. Starship Troopers.
6. Also consequently, it's spiritual video game adaptation: Starcraft (1 at least).
7. Alien/Aliens.
8. Star Wars
9. Mass Effect
10. The Matrix (the first was excellent, but the sequels...*gags*)

People say they dislike the last two parts of the Matrix Trilogy. I just don't understand why they are so harsh on the second  and third  films. Anyone care to explain to me why they are so bad?

[AngelicMachinery]

diskoh wrote...

Oblivious wrote...

diskoh wrote...

Star Wars is not sci-fi. It's a fantasy series set in space.

Your opinion on whether it is sci-fi or sci-fan, but to the vast majority it is sci-fi, so don't start with the "You're wrong" posts

Consider this a YOU'RE WRONG POST.

Star Wars is EXTREMELY soft sci-fi.  

1) Dune
2) Ghost in the Shell
3)  The Man in the high castle
4)  2001 a space odessy
5)  Blade Runner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
6)  Neuromancer
7)  Neon Genesis Evangelion
8)  Childhood'sEnd
9)  Dark City
10) Serial Experiments Laine

Bah...  couldn't fit it in there.

[sbvera13]

Well, sci-fi has incredible things happen because of technology. Fantasy has incredible things happen because of magic. Same process, different artwork, basically.

IMO, I classify sci-fi as being subject to internal rules. Asimovs 3 rules of robotics, Star Trek's warp drive, Dune's alteration of consciousness by melange, etc. There's some core effect or set of effects that are written into the setting, and can't be handwaved away. Often it's also a core aspect of the plot. Fantasy, on the other hand, is literally about handwaving (abra-cadabra!). As a result, the plots of sci-fi tend to be "what-if" explorations of the human condition, while fantasy tends to be about heroic journeys and epic battles. 

The lines blur obviously, but I put Star Wars far closer to the fantasy spectrum then to sci-fi.  This is why I cried inside when ME2 started mutilating the backstory; it's so rare to find proper sci-fi.

Modifié par sbvera13, 04 juillet 2011 - 03:31 .

[sbvera13]

1. Dune
2. Asimov's Works
3. Stranger in Strange Land
4-10: I really can't decide. It includes a mix of Star Trek, Dr Who, Serenity, The Matrix, Blade Runner. ME1 would definately be in my top 10 though, like Serenity simply for it's excellence of presentation if not for it's originality.

[Had-to-say]

I like Mass Effect so much I don't really compare it to other videogames. When I think about stories and characters that I value on a similar level, I have to go choose from motion pictures. I think this has a lot to do with the great cinematic quality of the game.

Mass Effect makes me proud to be a gamer. I thought I might be alone in my views but this thread proves that you too believe that Mass Effect out performs some great classic Sci-Fi. I can honestly say it is my favorite even over some older sentimental classics I grew up with.

@sbvera13 I love Serenity.

Modifié par Had-to-say, 04 juillet 2011 - 10:59 .