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[shinobi602]

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

And you automatically assumed the rest outside this "small group" is in accord with your opinion?

Nope, never said that, and I'd like if you stop putting words in my mouth please.

[Massadonious1]

daqs wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

So, in the 4-5 days since the intital info was released, they decided to do a 360 on their design choices because of a 70 page thread on the forums and a bunch of rabid trolls blowing up Christina Norman's Twitter feed?

Yeah, no.

I think that they did do a 360: they went right back to the thing they were planning on doing the whole time. 

(You were thinking of a 180.)

Yeah, I knew that. 360 sounded more impactful.

[Massadonious1]

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Nezzer wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

As long as the armor is optional, that's good. I hope Bioware hasn't buckled under a minute amount of pressure from a small group of people.

I like the suit she's wearing and would prefer that.

Is it a small group? Did someone conduct a survey or something?

The whole Bioware social network is a small group at that, compared to the total population of Mass Effect players/fans. And smaller group within that group is small, yes.

You don't know if most people outside BSN prefer casual outfits, but here on BSN most people prefer full armour and everybody knows that.

Actually what we know is that some prefer Williams' original look as presented in ME1 and ME2, and others prefer her new look.

It's up to BioWare to count the numbers or whatever they wanna do.

And now you have proof that they listened to both.

I fail to see why this is still an issue.

[Gabriel S.]

Brenon Holmes wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Is it a small group? Did someone conduct a survey or something?

It depends on what context you're talking about. Something to think about though... these forums represent less than 1% of the ME players. It's an important minority, since we value a lot of the interaction we can have here... but it's still a minority.

Yes, and if you're gonna do a projection what are you going to conclude: 26% of people here state they prefer the original, 37% prefer the new look, the rest undecided/indiferrent/didn't post. Does that reflect in the overall number of people who play the game, but are not members of this particular community?

[Jebel Krong]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Brenon Holmes wrote...

It depends on what context you're talking about. Something to think about though... these forums represent less than 1% of the ME players. It's an important minority, since we value a lot of the interaction we can have here... but it's still a minority.

These forums also represent the most hardcore and dedicated fans of the series, Brenon. I know I wouldn't even think of posting here if I had played through ME1 and ME2 no more than once each and put them aside until ME3.

you can be just as "hardcore" and dedicated" without ever coming to a forum.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Brenon Holmes wrote...

It depends on what context you're talking about. Something to think about though... these forums represent less than 1% of the ME players. It's an important minority, since we value a lot of the interaction we can have here... but it's still a minority.

These forums also represent the most hardcore and dedicated fans of the series, Brenon. I know I wouldn't even think of posting here if I had played through ME1 and ME2 no more than once each and put them aside until ME3.

you can be just as "hardcore" and dedicated" without ever coming to a forum.

True, but that's beside the point.

[DocLasty]

Hm. So Ashely has a helmet and armor.

...anyone wanna take bets on what people will choose to whine incessently about next? 

[Gabriel S.]

DocLasty wrote...

Hm. So Ashely has a helmet and armor.

...anyone wanna take bets on what people will choose to whine incessently about next? 

Milk and cookies?

[AngryFrozenWater]

Brenon Holmes wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Is it a small group? Did someone conduct a survey or something?

It depends on what context you're talking about. Something to think about though... these forums represent less than 1% of the ME players. It's an important minority, since we value a lot of the interaction we can have here... but it's still a minority.

Does that mean that less than 99% of the ME owners do not register the games on BSN? Or are you counting posters?

[Beerfish]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Brenon Holmes wrote...

It depends on what context you're talking about. Something to think about though... these forums represent less than 1% of the ME players. It's an important minority, since we value a lot of the interaction we can have here... but it's still a minority.

These forums also represent the most hardcore and dedicated fans of the series, Brenon. I know I wouldn't even think of posting here if I had played through ME1 and ME2 no more than once each and put them aside until ME3.

you can be just as "hardcore" and dedicated" without ever coming to a forum.

True, but that's beside the point.

You also have to be very very cautious when you assume all the hard core fans come to forums to give valid input.  More and more people come to not give valid input but what is good or what is bad but just to rag on a game.  DA2 is a perfect example.

In anycase we know that one companion, ashley has armour and a helmet.  We have zero confirmation about customizing of said armor or if it will be a standard set that perhaps gets changed at a point in the game like ME2.

[Brenon Holmes]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

These forums also represent the most hardcore and dedicated fans of the series, Brenon. I know I wouldn't even think of posting here if I had played through ME1 and ME2 no more than once each and put them aside until ME3.

Oh definitely! If someone enjoys the game enough to bother registering on a community forum, it already says something about how much they enjoyed the experience. I was merely trying to provide a bit of context on the "minority" thing.

It's in our interest to make sure that we're delivering something that will get our fans excited... if you guys enjoy the game, and are excited about it, it's more likely that you'll tell your friends, etc.

But at the same time, sometimes we're going to disagree. While there might be a very vocal set of folks here on the forums that think a particular way... a lot of the time, we might have access to a significant amount of data that shows the exact opposite.

In that case... which takes precedence? If you know that 30% of the total playerbase did one thing and seemed to enjoy one particular thing... but a group on the forums is saying they don't like that... which is more important? Is there a way to compromise so that we can deliver something that we think everyone will like?
It's a hard decision... and thankfully one that I don't usually have to make. :happy:

Modifié par Brenon Holmes, 12 juin 2011 - 06:34 .

[Sylvianus]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Brenon Holmes wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Is it a small group? Did someone conduct a survey or something?

It depends on what context you're talking about. Something to think about though... these forums represent less than 1% of the ME players. It's an important minority, since we value a lot of the interaction we can have here... but it's still a minority.

Does that mean that less than 99% of the ME owners do not register the games on BSN? Or are you counting posters?

There is no more than 10 000 people on this forum .... So yes, it is logical that this is less than 1%

[Brenon Holmes]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Does that mean that less than 99% of the ME owners do not register the games on BSN? Or are you counting posters?

ME owners. You can look at the forums as an enthusiastic microcosm of the total player base of ME. :happy:

[Gabriel S.]

shinobi602 wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

And you automatically assumed the rest outside this "small group" is in accord with your opinion?

Nope, never said that, and I'd like if you stop putting words in my mouth please.

Yet you have no problem playing semantics with me. Quid pro quo, shinobi602.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Of course we take precedence.

-Polite

[Fiery Phoenix]

Brenon Holmes wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

These forums also represent the most hardcore and dedicated fans of the series, Brenon. I know I wouldn't even think of posting here if I had played through ME1 and ME2 no more than once each and put them aside until ME3.

Oh definitely! If someone enjoys the game enough to bother registering on a community forum, it already says something about how much they enjoyed the experience. I was merely trying to provide a bit of context on the "minority" thing.

It's in our interest to make sure that we're delivering something that will get our fans excited... if you guys enjoy the game, and are excited about it, it's more likely that you'll tell your friends, etc.

But at the same time, sometimes we're going to disagree. While there might be a very vocal set of folks here on the forums that think a particular way... a lot of the time, we might have access to a significant amount of data that shows the exact opposite.

In that case... which takes precedence? If you know that 30% of the total playerbase did one thing and seemed to enjoy one particular thing... but a group on the forums is saying they don't like that... which is more important? That's a hard decision... and thankfully one that I don't usually have to make. :happy:

Glad to hear it, and I admit, that last bit made me laugh!

[Brenon Holmes]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Of course we take precedence.

-Polite

In a lot of cases... yes, actually. :happy:

[ADLegend21]

IsaacShep wrote...

Completely expected, just like the fact for promo material purpose they would show her more attractive outfit. Everybody can relax.

[shinobi602]

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Yet you have no problem playing semantics with me. Quid pro quo, shinobi602.

Brenon confirmed this site represents a tiny minority of Mass Effect fans, and a group within that group is even tinier. All I said was I hope such a small aspect of the ME community doesn't have a large control of what Bioware wants to do with their game.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Well that's a relief lol.

-Polite

[SNascimento]

Oh, now whiners can stop whining.Or they can just find other thing to whine about.
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Although I'm being unfair... complaining Ashley new look is valid, not in that moment in the game, but if she stayed like that the whole time it would be wierd. The problem is that you just had to wait to see that what just happen (i.e the confirmation that she will wear armor) would eventually happen.
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But no... people have to stay 80 pages complaining about something that they know nothing about...

[Gabriel S.]

Brenon Holmes wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Of course we take precedence.

-Polite

In a lot of cases... yes, actually. :happy:

I imagine there is a good reason behind that. We have, quite literally, a voice. And we can make a distinction between just doing something for the sake of roleplay and actually liking it.

For example, I don't like playing as a renegade, that's to say I prefer playing as a paragon, but I also play as a renegade because it's there and it's a whole different experience - role-play.

Does the data you collect account for that. Can that data tell if I romanced Miranda just to see the cutscene, but then re-loaded and declined her?

[onelifecrisis]

Nohvarr wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Brenon Holmes wrote...

It's far more likely that insightful, thoughtful posts will result in direct change.

I know for myself, I'm far more likely to pay attention to thoughtful, civil discussion than to... alternatives. :happy:

Hmm. Was it an insightful, thoughtful post that led to the Awesome Button?

 Wrong team, wrong game series.

Oh, that old chestnut. How many Biowares are there? Oh yeah, one.

With one team doing DA, another doing ME and another working on SW:TOR

Just like Ubisoft had one team working on Prince of Persia and another working on Assassins Creed

I'm guessing you've never worked in software development.

Is there some cross over, sure, does that mean what one team does always reflects on another, no. So asking an ME team memeber about a 'the awesome' button makes even less sense than people pestering the gameplay designer about character design.

If your intent was to discuss game design and how the ME team determines a games direction and their goals by asking that question, than you worded it poorly. If instead your goal was to take a shot at Brenon Holmes for pointing out some of the crass comments this board has been subjected too, all you accomplished was providing an example of the kind of posts he's talking about.

Well at least you finally got around to making a point.

Bioware are, by their own admission and in their own words, focused on getting a larger audience. They're not interested in "insightful" or "thoughtful" fans, they're interested in getting MOAR fans. I believe that, contrary to Brenan's claim, a large loud outcry from the fanbase here will carry more weight than a small, thoughtful, insightful one. This forum may only represent 1% of the fans, but if 90% of that 1% all agree on something then that is statistically relevent.

[Brenon Holmes]

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

I imagine there is a good reason behind that. We have, quite literally, a voice. And we can make a distinction between just doing something for the sake of roleplay and actually liking it.

For example, I don't like playing as a renegade, that's to say I prefer playing as a paragon, but I also play as a renegade because it's there and it's a whole different experience - role-play.

Does the data you collect account for that. Can that data tell if I romanced Miranda just to see the cutscene, but then re-loaded and declined her?

No, of course it can't. At the end of the day, data is just data.

Interpretation of data is extremely difficult, and a lot of times (by itself) is more likely to lead you to make *bad* decisions. That's why in my somewhat larger than usual post up above I intimated that data alone isn't enough reason to make any kind of decision. :happy:

Modifié par Brenon Holmes, 12 juin 2011 - 06:44 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

@Brenon - so thats when observation comes into play I'm assuming? And sorry for not using quotes, my iPad won't let me for some reason. :/

-Polite