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[HiddenKING]

MissMaster wrote...

Kabanya101 wrote...

Jack is hideous. I would never find that attractive, especially since she looks like a twelve year old boy. No hair, no chest, manly tattoos, just dirty.

Jack has the most beautiful face. (Those lips!) IMHO. I thought it was awesome that they made a LI that was not the normal idea of beauty.

Jack DOES have the most beautiful face. Her delicate features contrast very well with her attitude and design.

[Eleinehmm]

United_Strafes wrote...

That's what ugly people do, blog about **** they don't have.

 
It's a personal attack, no matter if you agree with what she says or not.
It is pretty low to attack a person like that.

[Rake21]

axl99 wrote...

And that poor comparison of Samara to Bayonetta? I'll just stop right there.

And even that doesn't work.  Bayonetta mocks the whole sexism thing by just being incredibly  and wonderfully absurd.

[shadowreflexion]

 And so it begins. The blogger focused more on appearance than she did on character which makes me think that despite Bioware creating strong women who look damn good, she expects the women to be very average with minimal skills in order to be satisfied.
Wouldn't it have been fair for the blogger to comment on the presence of six pack abs in the male characters as well?
How about the Volus being the dominate obese characters? She's full of herself and she's looking for any attention she can muster.

I support and sometimes tolerate different points of views when they are in fact valid and viable but childish rants I do not condone. Bad press would have been avoided if if people actually played the game before assuming that it was a space porno. What happened when they did that? Apologies were made but the damage was done and romance was toned down in ME 2. The fans lost out because of uninteligent research on the part of those who wanted their 5 minutes of fame.

Now take this blogger. The fans know that the reason Miranda looks as she does is because of genetic modification to be perfect and superior. So maybe Miranda's perfect appearance of well placed pixels have upset the blogger because she doesn't hold a candle to a game? See how ridiculous that reads? A game.....a damn game! But she wants to make it life. Does she try to explain why all Asari's look female because they are an 'alien" race or does she go to the breasts? Does she also talk about how not all the Asari breasts are in the big department? Or does she back it up by saying the reason all breasts aren't the same in the Mass Effect universe is the same reason they aren't all the same size in real life? Genes.

Look at Tali's hips. Not just the character but her race. The Quarian's have large hips. Could it be that it's the physical attributes of that particular species? Kind of like African-Americans having larger lips. Does that mean that they should have surgery in order lessen their genetic appearance to coincide with what the blogger may believe is true beauty? She has some valid points but just like extremists, she takes them and wraps them around to support what she sees.

Sorry for the long rant but I hope Bioware will stop listening to people like this. Let them speak, fine. That's their God given right. But do not allow them to try and steer what is a great game with great ethnic qualities towards thier own personal goals.

The true ME fanbase is not some organization of perverts. Many are very, very story driven. And if the game adds the realism of life with a little eye candy now and then, then Bioware IS emulating and simulating Real life. Everything and everyone isn't perfect in life but every now and again we see something that appeals to us as individuals in real life do we not?

Do not ruin the formula in the game because some people aren't happy concerning looks. I can guarantee you that if you had a woman who was 10 pounds overweight and you ask her if she would switch body's with a Miranda, Tali, even a Jack model, how would she truly answer? Same with men. Lose the gut to have Jacob's abs, what would the answer be?

When people stop listening to this "I want to be heard and make ripples" society, life can be so much better. Remember when a woman with a nice big butt was the social pariah? Maybe even the voluptious woman's frame didn't match with the petite and waif? It's funny because not only is a game company constantly being critized for what they do add, they are still being critized for what they DO add. 

[ObserverStatus]

Is this the same blogger who accused the creator of "Firefly" of being a rapist?

[Dexi]

D.Kain wrote...

Dexi wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

MissMaster wrote...

Teknor wrote...


Females don't get the same amount of arousal from exposed body parts as males do. 

Lol. Wha? As  woman I'm going to say that we do. People seem to think that men are more sexual then woman, but the truth is that we are we just don't talk about it like men do.

good! 

Guys are geeky when they see nudity... girls act a lot more pro... 

Bulls.. all guys are different. I have a whole bunch of friends including myself that dont care 
about sex unless love is involved.  We are fairly attractive and interesting people.

Yes, my mistake... should've put "generally speaking" in front, because I'm also an exception to what I said, rofl. 

[MissMaster]

United_Strafes wrote...

That's what ugly people do, blog about **** they don't have.

Oooo. I'm gonna get hell for this but I agree.

Does the blogger even know that there are female concept artist that worked on creating those characters? She talks like "OMG! Look what these men are doing!" When it is obvious that the development team is both male and female. No one wants to see ugly people in video games. Hell all of the main men in ME are good looking as well.

Kadian is a good looker. So is Jacob.

Garrus has a HUGE fan girl fallowing and so does Thane. They are all sexy in their own rights. But that's okay. lol. Hot men is fine. But hot ladies NO!

Modifié par MissMaster, 12 juin 2011 - 07:34 .

[eldav]

Jack and Miranda are molded in the same mold, what i mean that here we have to overly agresive characters who in reality are just little girls who needs a mans emotional help.
Now Liara and Ashley are strong females who can make it on their own, that is if Bioware does not screw us and makes Ash in to a ho.

[GreenSoda]

...though she pretty much turns a 180 on her newest blog entry about ME. (Apparently she just finished Shadow Broker):

Link

Modifié par GreenSoda, 12 juin 2011 - 07:34 .

[axl99]

Jack was designed to be "repulsive" to scare off the guys who want a woman who they can dominate, because she herself has had enough of being used by others throughout her life. Those who are truly attracted to her are going to have to work for her trust and her affection.

And sidenote. Bayonetta was designed by a woman. How's that for irony.

Modifié par axl99, 12 juin 2011 - 07:35 .

[LiquidGrape]

MissMaster wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...

That's what ugly people do, blog about **** they don't have.

Oooo. I'm gonna get hell for this but I agree.

Does the blogger even know that there are female concept artist that worked on creating those characters? She talks like "OMG! Look what these men are doing!" When it is obvious that the development team is both male and female.

Actually, Mass Effect 2 only had male concept and character artists.

As for agreeing with that, nah, you're not going to any 'hell', but you should take a long look in the mirror.

Like I said, I disagree with many points raised in that blog. Many of the arguments are reductive and uninformed.
But please, please, people; don't revert to the most reductive reactions in turn.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 12 juin 2011 - 07:37 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

The blogger is right. Miranda for Dat as.s, Samara for the bubz and Jack for being a tattooed wild b!tch. And their appearances affects their personalities (makes them trivial)

Modifié par Garbage Master, 12 juin 2011 - 07:37 .

[Tripedius]

It's a feminst. Those people haven't stopped whining since the sixties.

[Eleinehmm]

LiquidGrape wrote...

MissMaster wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...

That's what ugly people do, blog about **** they don't have.

Oooo. I'm gonna get hell for this but I agree.

Does the blogger even know that there are female concept artist that worked on creating those characters? She talks like "OMG! Look what these men are doing!" When it is obvious that the development team is both male and female.

Actually, Mass Effect 2 only had male concept and character artists.

As for agreeing with that, nah, you're not going to any 'hell', but you should take a long look in the mirror.

Like I said, I disagree with many points raised in that blog. Many of the arguments are reductive and honestly rather silly.
But please, please, people; don't revert to the most reductive reactions in turn.

Thanks. Frankly speaking the reaction scares me much more then her post

[MissMaster]

LiquidGrape wrote...



Actually, Mass Effect 2 only had male concept and character artists.

As for agreeing with that, nah, you're not going to any 'hell', but you should take a long look in the mirror.

Like I said, I disagree with many points raised in that blog. Many of the arguments are reductive and honestly rather silly.
But please, please, people; don't revert to the most reductive reactions in turn.

Oh really? It was all dudes. Sorry.

But as for what I said, I don't care. She is jelly.  lol.

[Foolsfolly]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

DISCLAIMER: Just like any other social or political movement, the feminist movement has different facets and subgroups with a varying range of ideologies. The following posts represent one face of this movement. Be aware of this before you post, so as to not unfairly mischaracterize all feminists in one way or another. This thread is about discussing whether or not you agree with her and why, and what direction character designs should go.

https://gomakemeasan...t-right-part-1/
https://gomakemeasan...t-right-part-2/
https://gomakemeasan...-when-you-suck/

While I agree with her that the rear-shots of Miranda are excessive, on most every other panel I disagree with her - it seems she believes any pose or shot from the waist up is some damning evidence of sexism on Bioware's part. 

I also disagree with her about Jack. To me, Jack is about being rebellious, anti-social, and anti-authoritarian, hence her tattoos and lack of clothing. While they might not be realistic when she walks out in space, I really do not believe she was designed to be a "fanservice" type character.

I agree with you, OP.

The Miranda ass shots were too much (especially considering how overly proportioned her ass is) but other than that....I don't see it.

Dragon Age: Origins had way more fan-service in it. I mean a major plot heavy character (Morrigan) had side and under boob shown constantly. And most armors on female characters confromed to the Chainmail Bikini ideal.

And I really don't think Jack is a fanservice kind of character. Like you said she's anti-social and clothing is a conformity thing. Her being fanservice is about the same as saying Doctor Manhattan is fanservice because he goes around naked. It's a visual representation of the character's internal state.

Jack's, frankly, more interesting than just a fanservice character.

[axl99]

It's the internet. People haven't learned to stop airing their dirty laundry since the day it was made public domain.

[MDT1]

Aurkia wrote...

oh man if want to see a sexism game see should have a look at TW2.

Why?

The Witcher's world is sexist, the game is not (Maybe TW1 was but they learned from it).

[Niniva]

Duke Nukem Forever would make her head explode.

[Lady Catastrophe]

Fictional character or no,if you've got it,flaunt it.

[shadowreflexion]

And another thing. Since Jack is aggressive, does that make her a rapist when you do a renegade romance with her? Or is she on par with Demi Moore from the movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109635/ Disclosure?

Modifié par shadowreflexion, 12 juin 2011 - 07:43 .

[Parah_Salin]

In regards to the Articles, I think she's looking at everything through a purely feminist lens, and while there are feminist issues in the Mass Effect series, it isn't primarily about it.

The thing about what she was saying about civilizations that were repressive towards women I didn't agree with. Writers and artists should be able to use whatever themes they want to provoke an emotional response from the audience. The intensity of her's (and many other fans, but also on issues like slavery, sacrificing your friends, genocide, etc...) I think is a credit to the quality of the writing.

In the case of the salarians it is to create a sense of difference from us where it counts, how much cultural difference in something you feel they are strongly wrong on will you tolorate in order to preserve your common survival?

You get a chance to change Krogan culture around women. (Spoiler) Wrex institutes a plan thought up by a powerful Female Warlord in order to reform and rebuild Krogan civilization and improve in spite of the genophage. If you look at thier culture the fertile females often hold a lot of power both through breeding but also in the conventional warlord sense. The great thing in mass effect you get to choose.

I do agree about seeing different genders of more aliens when it makes sense (AKA- TURIANS!), especially since it seams like it would be really simple to remodel and get afew more female voice actors.

And I do think the character design could use more realism all around. Miranda's cat suit I think is fine on board the normandy, But I wish she had armor in battle. It could be pretty sexy, form-fitting armor, but she's supposed to be above average intelligence. You think she'd know about the combat advantages of armor and not-wearing-heels. Benezia's outfit was just over the top in general. And I've worn a heavier mask than samara's doing construction work...but I think thats more under my general realism complaints.