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[78stonewobble]

While I do like cleavage as much as the next guy/girl... I just don't like her in the game. By her I don't necessarily mind her character but how it is... hmm portraited.

She's supposed to be a member of an order casting off earthly posessions and relationships in the pursuit of justice. Yet conversationally shepards "curiosity" is welcome...  Combine that with a very "logical" choice of armor for a life consisting of fighting the worst scum in the galaxy.

*sigh*

I'm a bit tired of this teenlike male fantasy portrayal of women. Especially when it's interfering with my "immersion" in the game to go into a gunfight wearing something that belongs on a stage with a pole.

"Skin" might make the game more attractive to some but to me it kinda ruins the experience because I can't stop thinking how ridiculous it looks.

Sure... Had it been such a club I visited ingame or the romance scenes? No problem there...

It's kinda the same with miranda and to a lesser degree tali and ashley but atleast miranda got her looks to use them (outside of battle puhleaze).

Maybe it's just easier to get away with showing skin that way for developers than in a proper context.

But a bit more on the topic of Samara. What are your thoughts on looks/behaviour versus her backstory/life choices?


PS. Sorry for any spelling and/or grammatical mistakes. English isn't my first language. 

[78stonewobble]

I have been avoiding pretty much everything official me3 but you are right about ashleys having armor and there fitting into a firefight. I retract that. It's been a while since I saw ashley in a game.

I also have admit that I find the samara character in itself kinda dislikable with the whole unbendable code and that somehow that makes her killings "just". Too selfrightous to me and the justicar concept is kinda unnerving as is maybe spectres too. Those problems though are minor to the physical portrayal.

EDIT: Good point... I forgot about jack.


Ok they can wear... what they like on the ship but can't they put on something like a bulletproof vest when going into combat?

Gearing up could be a cutscene to vary the landing shuttle scenes even.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 12 juin 2011 - 09:17 .

[DCarter]

I think Bioware gets away with it but only because other characters in the game also notice the ridiculousness of the catsuits.

[78stonewobble]

Ah yes... High heels... The perfect choice for long treks and curb stomps.

[sterling_archer]

thurmanator692 wrote...

I love how Miranda's suit gets flack by characters in game while Jack prances along in a nipple belt

Quoted for truthiness

[ReallyRue]

thurmanator692 wrote...

DCarter wrote...

I think Bioware gets away with it but only because other characters in the game also notice the ridiculousness of the catsuits.

but not nipple belts

Would you want to be the one to tell Jack you disapprove of her outfit choice? If so, then you're braver than I am. 

Personally, I don't mind what they feel like wearing on the Normandy, so long as they wear actual armour to battles. Proper helmets are also good. Garrus, Grunt, Legion, and possibly Thane (in his alternate outfit) are the only ones I can take to Tali's loyalty mission without facepalming at myself. Hello, contamination! Why don't we just spit on the flotilla's walls.

[Rawke]

sterling_archer wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

I love how Miranda's suit gets flack by characters in game while Jack prances along in a nipple belt

Quoted for truthiness

This. When are people going to stop whining because of Miris fashion style but ignore the fact that Jack is wearing nothing but tattoos and a nipple belt just because she is the dark, damaged psychopath.<_<

Would you want to be the one to tell Jack you disapprove of her outfit choice? If so, then you're braver than I am.

I wouldn't want to tell Miranda either...

Modifié par Rawke, 12 juin 2011 - 09:57 .

[JoeLaTurkey]

I think if Jack was bustier there would be plenty of complaints.

[SlottsMachine]

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

I think if Jack was bustier there would be plenty of complaints.

This. 

[PMC65]

78stonewobble wrote...

I have been avoiding pretty much everything official me3 but you are right about ashleys having armor and there fitting into a firefight. I retract that. It's been a while since I saw ashley in a game.

I also have admit that I find the samara character in itself kinda dislikable with the whole unbendable code and that somehow that makes her killings "just". Too selfrightous to me and the justicar concept is kinda unnerving as is maybe spectres too. Those problems though are minor to the physical portrayal.

EDIT: Good point... I forgot about jack.


Ok they can wear... what they like on the ship but can't they put on something like a bulletproof vest when going into combat?

Gearing up could be a cutscene to vary the landing shuttle scenes even.

The asaris are a different species from humans and are not hung up on their bodies the way we are. For an asari on Thessia she might even be considered overdressed for all we know.
(note to self: must visit Thessia )

With all the aliens I give them passes on what they wear since I think some of them may not have really worn clothes at all (asari, drell, elcor). Would elephants really opt for clothing?

The justicar code is what she follows to the letter not her own personal desires. Her personal desires died when the dark fate of her daughters were revealed. The Justicar code and Justicars are highly respected in their world so I never feel a need to make a moral judgement. Now I might suggest that the Justicars stay in asari space so that there is no clash of customs between humans & asari. But then again, I guess I could say that humans may want to stay in human space? 

That would be one of the issues that we would have if we ever did meet aliens .. different ways/thoughts of living clashing with each other. 

[Sebby]

The most glaring issue with Samara's outfit is that her hedonistic sex murderer daughter dresses more modestly than she does.

[Senior Cinco]

I don't have a prob with Sam's char. It kind of reminds me of Terminator. Once the switch is turned on, there's only one of two way's to turn it off, her death or the targets. The outfit stuff...Hell...Let'em fight naked in a normal environment. Their Biotics, for crying out loud, so the Barrier works for me. We don't have an armor layer, that's shown, anyway. Although, it would seem more realistic to have a full suit, AND HELM, when in a space or haz envio. The exposed skin and a plastic mask doesn't really work. You could argue the Biotic field serves as protection from the elements, but I look at them as a separate thing, from combat.

[DPSSOC]

yorkj86 wrote...
That doesn't mean that she shouldn't be wearing armor on missions.  She probably is, as is Jack (considering her focus on her own survival), but the characters don't themselves change outfits.

Here's hoping they change this for ME3.  It's fine on the ship and any hospitable environment but could we give them a proper suit for hazardous environments and the void of space.  Nothing fancy it could be a wet-suit for all I care so long as it covers head to toe.

With regards to Samara's outfit in particular I just keep in mind Liara's comments about asari views on...modesty for lack of a better word, as well as Asari combat styles (manoueverabiltiy vs durability), and it doesn't bother me as far as creating a conflict with the character.  Where it does create a conflict is that for someone who's been fighting off and on for 400 years you'd think she'd have realized the value of protective plating over her heart.  Yeah she's a biotic but Barriers drop, I've dropped plenty.

Same criticism goes for Jack and Miranda though if memory serves Miranda's uniform does at least cover where her heart is.  It's not much but it's more than the others have.

[ladyvader]

I would not worry about what Jack wears after watching her completely destroying three heavy mech once she got out of cyro. That is one woman that can take care of herself, clothes or no clothes.

[mcsupersport]

One of the reasons I bought the alternate appearance packs is so I can change Garrus to undamaged armor, give Miranda armor to wear, and Give Jack more clothes since they insisted on the stupid nipple belt. I really hope they are giving squad armor for missions and interesting costumes for around the Normandy. I say stupid Nipple belt for Jack not because that is all she wears up top, but that she as a Renegade extreme would even bother with it. I fully expected her to go topless except for the tattoos, which would be more in character for her. I could easily see Samara wearing some exotic clothes around the Normandy, but to not have further protection of at least light armor or some stylized Justicar armor was stupid in my book.

[Siansonea]

Yeah, asari have their own cultural mores, which probably don't mesh perfectly with the ideas of 21st Century human Mass Effect 2 players or 22nd Century Mass Effect 2 characters. Was her character model designed by BioWare artists to strike the player with awe? Sure, but in-game, her costume could have all sorts of asari cultural significance. The reflexive response from male humans? Not really a consideration, I'll bet, if the Justicar Order is even aware of such things.

[Siansonea]

DPSSOC wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
That doesn't mean that she shouldn't be wearing armor on missions.  She probably is, as is Jack (considering her focus on her own survival), but the characters don't themselves change outfits.

Here's hoping they change this for ME3.  It's fine on the ship and any hospitable environment but could we give them a proper suit for hazardous environments and the void of space.  Nothing fancy it could be a wet-suit for all I care so long as it covers head to toe.

With regards to Samara's outfit in particular I just keep in mind Liara's comments about asari views on...modesty for lack of a better word, as well as Asari combat styles (manoueverabiltiy vs durability), and it doesn't bother me as far as creating a conflict with the character.  Where it does create a conflict is that for someone who's been fighting off and on for 400 years you'd think she'd have realized the value of protective plating over her heart.  Yeah she's a biotic but Barriers drop, I've dropped plenty.

Same criticism goes for Jack and Miranda though if memory serves Miranda's uniform does at least cover where her heart is.  It's not much but it's more than the others have.

I've always wondered if Samara's lack of a helmet and exposed heart area is a deliberate design of her costume. After all, a Justicar is supposed to be the best of the best. Many candidates die in training, before they even take their final oaths. They don't take weak asari. I've always thought that the Justicar's two most vulnerable points, her head and her heart, are left exposed as means of showing her honor, that she is so reliant on her skills as a Justicar that she gives her opponent a fighting chance. An "honor" thing, or somesuch.

Of course, in a hostile atmosphere or space...

[Sebby]

If the Justicars consider high heels and large V necks as "proper armor" then it's no wonder why there's so few of them.