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[Senior Cinco]

Seboist wrote...

If the Justicars consider high heels and large V necks as "proper armor" then it's no wonder why there's so few of them.

HA! Don't you see? It's the distraction factor.

[ADLegend21]

Samara's nearly 1000 years old and she's probably one of the most powerufl biotics in the galaxy, who needs armor when you can temporarily fly like she can?

[Siansonea]

Seboist wrote...

If the Justicars consider high heels and large V necks as "proper armor" then it's no wonder why there's so few of them.

You humans are all narcissistic.

[Senior Cinco]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Samara's nearly 1000 years old and she's probably one of the most powerufl biotics in the galaxy, who needs armor when you can temporarily fly like she can?

This...It's all about the Biotics. Why do they even show that stuff in the cutscenes, when they don't even let your char JUMP?

[Moiaussi]

Seboist wrote...

The most glaring issue with Samara's outfit is that her hedonistic sex murderer daughter dresses more modestly than she does.

That might be a symptom, actually.... her daughter likes a challenge so she dresses down. Samara isn't looking so she maintains more traditional Asari fashion.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

So we've all come to two conclusions.

1) Samara simply dresses in typical Asari fasion.
2) The Asari dress like skanks.

[Labrev]

The designers themselves have specifically used the term "space babes" to describe the asari. So unfortunately, yes, even their most respected embodiments of the law have to be sultry sexpots.

[Moiaussi]

78stonewobble wrote...

While I do like cleavage as much as the next guy/girl... I just don't like her in the game. By her I don't necessarily mind her character but how it is... hmm portraited.

She's supposed to be a member of an order casting off earthly posessions and relationships in the pursuit of justice. Yet conversationally shepards "curiosity" is welcome...  Combine that with a very "logical" choice of armor for a life consisting of fighting the worst scum in the galaxy. . 

I am not saying you are wrong, but where does it actually say that Justicars cast off earthly possession or relationships? Many would avoid relationships just because of the complications but I am not sure there is actually any prohibition. Samara likens the order to knights errant, not cloistered monks.

[DPSSOC]

Siansonea II wrote...
I've always wondered if Samara's lack of a helmet and exposed heart area is a deliberate design of her costume. After all, a Justicar is supposed to be the best of the best. Many candidates die in training, before they even take their final oaths. They don't take weak asari. I've always thought that the Justicar's two most vulnerable points, her head and her heart, are left exposed as means of showing her honor, that she is so reliant on her skills as a Justicar that she gives her opponent a fighting chance. An "honor" thing, or somesuch. 

Of course, in a hostile atmosphere or space...

I could kind of see this but Knights and Samurai had an honour thing too but they still had the sense to wear helmets.  There is no honour in being killed by a weaker opponent because you gave them an opening.

ADLegend21 wrote...
Samara's nearly 1000 years old and she's probably one of the most powerufl biotics in the galaxy, who needs armor when you can temporarily fly like she can?

Benezia would like to have a word with you.

[ADLegend21]

@DPSSOC Benezia's dead, btu she's easily the hardest enemy to kill in ME1 since she can use statis that keeps Shepard down (not like shiala's which is annoying) She can also fight indoctrination so since she's tht skilled she can wear whatever the hell she wants. Samara's also incredibly pwoerful because she hs Reave. Seriously I never have to use medi-gel for her anymore since I always max out Reave.

[Siansonea]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

So we've all come to two conclusions.

1) Samara simply dresses in typical Asari fasion.
2) The Asari dress like skanks.

...by HUMAN standards. By ASARI standards, they simply dress like asari. Why would a race of women be shy about their bodies? The only reason humans have the modesty issues we have (in some cultures...) is because we have sexual dimorphism. If all humans looked female (even if we still have two sexes) things like going topless would have much less cultural significance.

[Siansonea]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

The designers themselves have specifically used the term "space babes" to describe the asari. So unfortunately, yes, even their most respected embodiments of the law have to be sultry sexpots.

...by human standards...

[Sebby]

Siansonea II wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

So we've all come to two conclusions.

1) Samara simply dresses in typical Asari fasion.
2) The Asari dress like skanks.

...by HUMAN standards. By ASARI standards, they simply dress like asari. Why would a race of women be shy about their bodies? The only reason humans have the modesty issues we have (in some cultures...) is because we have sexual dimorphism. If all humans looked female (even if we still have two sexes) things like going topless would have much less cultural significance.

There's plenty of Asari that wear long dresses that show no skin.

[Siansonea]

DPSSOC wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
I've always wondered if Samara's lack of a helmet and exposed heart area is a deliberate design of her costume. After all, a Justicar is supposed to be the best of the best. Many candidates die in training, before they even take their final oaths. They don't take weak asari. I've always thought that the Justicar's two most vulnerable points, her head and her heart, are left exposed as means of showing her honor, that she is so reliant on her skills as a Justicar that she gives her opponent a fighting chance. An "honor" thing, or somesuch. 

Of course, in a hostile atmosphere or space...

I could kind of see this but Knights and Samurai had an honour thing too but they still had the sense to wear helmets.  There is no honour in being killed by a weaker opponent because you gave them an opening.

ADLegend21 wrote...
Samara's nearly 1000 years old and she's probably one of the most powerufl biotics in the galaxy, who needs armor when you can temporarily fly like she can?

Benezia would like to have a word with you.

Knights and samurai are just analogies that Samara uses to help Shepard use to help him understand Justicars. It's not a direct parallel.

[Siansonea]

Seboist wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

So we've all come to two conclusions.

1) Samara simply dresses in typical Asari fasion.
2) The Asari dress like skanks.

...by HUMAN standards. By ASARI standards, they simply dress like asari. Why would a race of women be shy about their bodies? The only reason humans have the modesty issues we have (in some cultures...) is because we have sexual dimorphism. If all humans looked female (even if we still have two sexes) things like going topless would have much less cultural significance.

There's plenty of Asari that wear long dresses that show no skin.

And there's plenty of humans that do too. Just because there are asari cultural tendencies doesn't mean they would ALL dress that way. I imagine asari Maidens especially would run the gamut of different styles of dress, fter all, 30-ish years ago this neat race of aliens called "humans" arrived on the mass relay network, and they look a LOT like asari. I bet the fashion houses of Illium were taken by storm by human fashion influences in the 2150s. Matrons and Matriarchs came of age before humans arrived on the galactic scene, so any fashion influence from humans wouldn't have as much impact.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 13 juin 2011 - 03:38 .

[DPSSOC]

ADLegend21 wrote...

@DPSSOC Benezia's dead, btu she's easily the hardest enemy to kill in ME1 since she can use statis that keeps Shepard down (not like shiala's which is annoying) She can also fight indoctrination so since she's tht skilled she can wear whatever the hell she wants. Samara's also incredibly pwoerful because she hs Reave. Seriously I never have to use medi-gel for her anymore since I always max out Reave.

Kinda my point.  Benezia was a powerful biotic, with an entire unit of Asari commandos at her call as well as Geth, and she fell.  It's entirely possible she fell to a group with no biotic abilities at all.  Yes being a powerful biotic gives her protections but only a fool would think it makes her invulnerable (Only Immunity can do that and it's a Soldier skill, ha).

Siansonea II wrote...
Knights and samurai are just analogies that Samara uses to help Shepard use to help him understand Justicars. It's not a direct parallel.

Yes I know I was just using them as another parallel.  Those two have codes of honour but neither of them include, "Give the honourless dogs a chance in a fight."  Given the Justicars be all end all solution is kill everybody I don't see them regarding those they fight as being worthy of honouring with a chance at success.

[Sebby]

Siansonea II wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

So we've all come to two conclusions.

1) Samara simply dresses in typical Asari fasion.
2) The Asari dress like skanks.

...by HUMAN standards. By ASARI standards, they simply dress like asari. Why would a race of women be shy about their bodies? The only reason humans have the modesty issues we have (in some cultures...) is because we have sexual dimorphism. If all humans looked female (even if we still have two sexes) things like going topless would have much less cultural significance.

There's plenty of Asari that wear long dresses that show no skin.

And there's plenty of humans that do too. Just because there are asari cultural tendencies doesn't mean they would ALL dress that way. I imagine asari Maidens especially would run the gamut of different styles of dress, fter all, 30-ish years ago this neat race of aliens called "humans" arrived on the mass relay network, and they look a LOT like asari. I bet the fashion houses of Illium were taken by storm by human fashion influences in the 2150s. Matrons and Matriarchs came of age before humans arrived on the galactic scene, so any fashion influence from humans wouldn't have as much impact.

I wouldn't be so sure about Asari looking like humans. The bachelor party on Illium and the Retribution book imply they use some kind of telepathic manipulation to make themselves look attractive to other species.

[Bogsnot1]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
So we've all come to two conclusions.

1) Samara simply dresses in typical Asari fasion.
2) The Asari dress like skanks.

You just had to say it didnt you? Now the major cities of the world will have woman gathering together for a "Skank Walk".

[Siansonea]

DPSSOC wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

@DPSSOC Benezia's dead, btu she's easily the hardest enemy to kill in ME1 since she can use statis that keeps Shepard down (not like shiala's which is annoying) She can also fight indoctrination so since she's tht skilled she can wear whatever the hell she wants. Samara's also incredibly pwoerful because she hs Reave. Seriously I never have to use medi-gel for her anymore since I always max out Reave.

Kinda my point.  Benezia was a powerful biotic, with an entire unit of Asari commandos at her call as well as Geth, and she fell.  It's entirely possible she fell to a group with no biotic abilities at all.  Yes being a powerful biotic gives her protections but only a fool would think it makes her invulnerable (Only Immunity can do that and it's a Soldier skill, ha).

Siansonea II wrote...
Knights and samurai are just analogies that Samara uses to help Shepard use to help him understand Justicars. It's not a direct parallel.

Yes I know I was just using them as another parallel.  Those two have codes of honour but neither of them include, "Give the honourless dogs a chance in a fight."  Given the Justicars be all end all solution is kill everybody I don't see them regarding those they fight as being worthy of honouring with a chance at success.

It was just a theory.

[Siansonea]

Seboist wrote...


I wouldn't be so sure about Asari looking like humans. The bachelor party on Illium and the Retribution book imply they use some kind of telepathic manipulation to make themselves look attractive to other species.

Blah blah blah, it's THIS "theory" again. Asari are blue skinned aliens that look like human females. They have five fingers on each hand, two arms, two legs, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and weird sculpted skin folds where ears and hair would be on a human. They're not some weird telepathic hologram projection. Seriously, this is the stupidest theory of all time, and I find it ridiculous that a strictly-for-laughs exchange in the Eternity Bar is given more weight than the whole rest of the game. If the asari have voodoo pheremones, it doesn't change their appearance, it just makes the subject more receptive to their appearance. The word "duh" springs to mind...

[Sebby]

Siansonea II wrote...

Seboist wrote...


I wouldn't be so sure about Asari looking like humans. The bachelor party on Illium and the Retribution book imply they use some kind of telepathic manipulation to make themselves look attractive to other species.

Blah blah blah, it's THIS "theory" again. Asari are blue skinned aliens that look like human females. They have five fingers on each hand, two arms, two legs, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and weird sculpted skin folds where ears and hair would be on a human. They're not some weird telepathic hologram projection. Seriously, this is the stupidest theory of all time, and I find it ridiculous that a strictly-for-laughs exchange in the Eternity Bar is given more weight than the whole rest of the game. If the asari have voodoo pheremones, it doesn't change their appearance, it just makes the subject more receptive to their appearance. The word "duh" springs to mind...

Don't you find it a little strange that KROGANS find the Asari attractive and yet there's no hint of any Krogan/Human pairing?

[ADLegend21]

DPSSOC wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

@DPSSOC Benezia's dead, btu she's easily the hardest enemy to kill in ME1 since she can use statis that keeps Shepard down (not like shiala's which is annoying) She can also fight indoctrination so since she's tht skilled she can wear whatever the hell she wants. Samara's also incredibly pwoerful because she hs Reave. Seriously I never have to use medi-gel for her anymore since I always max out Reave.

Kinda my point.  Benezia was a powerful biotic, with an entire unit of Asari commandos at her call as well as Geth, and she fell.  It's entirely possible she fell to a group with no biotic abilities at all.  Yes being a powerful biotic gives her protections but only a fool would think it makes her invulnerable (Only Immunity can do that and it's a Soldier skill, ha).

Saren's dead too, he wore armor,Nihlus as well, Jenkins, the various mercenaries shepard kills in her adventures. the hardest ME2 squadmate to kill on the SM is Miranda with her catsuits, Samara and Jack are the perfect women suited for the biotic bubble with their lack of clothing and Kasumi's a chosen candidate for the ducts at the beginning with her catsuit and Tali is with her enviorment suit. I bet they enjoyed not having armor on in that blazing heat too. Seems like you gotta have skills in combat to wear a catsuit, Armor is for N00bs./sarcasm

[Moiaussi]

How do they make themselves look telepathicly different to someone looking at a camera image nowhere near the Asari?

[Siansonea]

Seboist wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Seboist wrote...


I wouldn't be so sure about Asari looking like humans. The bachelor party on Illium and the Retribution book imply they use some kind of telepathic manipulation to make themselves look attractive to other species.

Blah blah blah, it's THIS "theory" again. Asari are blue skinned aliens that look like human females. They have five fingers on each hand, two arms, two legs, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and weird sculpted skin folds where ears and hair would be on a human. They're not some weird telepathic hologram projection. Seriously, this is the stupidest theory of all time, and I find it ridiculous that a strictly-for-laughs exchange in the Eternity Bar is given more weight than the whole rest of the game. If the asari have voodoo pheremones, it doesn't change their appearance, it just makes the subject more receptive to their appearance. The word "duh" springs to mind...

Don't you find it a little strange that KROGANS find the Asari attractive and yet there's no hint of any Krogan/Human pairing?

No. This is a non sequitur, by the way. Why would a krogan and a human hook up? Asari are xeno-compatible, humans aren't. Humans with any non-asari aliens is just plain weird. Krogan weigh so much more than humans that they would probably crush a human mate if they got too cozy. Asari seem a lot more resilient than humans in that respect.

And I imagine that a krogan's ability to have a child (granted, an asari child) with an asari would be a huge attractiveness boost for the asari. And the krogan and asari are both long-lived species, so the only option for an asari who wants a "lifelong partner" other than another asari is a krogan. And again, asari mind voodoo, if it exists, would simply make the krogan more receptive to the asari natural appearance, not create an illusion that asari look krogan-like.