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[Anezay]

I want to see the fat asari. Do they all hide at home?

[Siansonea]

Anezay wrote...

I want to see the fat asari. Do they all hide at home?

I imagine it would be very difficult for a biotic to get fat, human, asari, or otherwise.

[Siansonea]

Montezuma IV wrote...

The Asari seem to me like a type of parasite.

Symbiotes maybe, but parasites harm or kill the host organism, which is not at all like an asari.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Siansonea II wrote...

No. This is a non sequitur, by the way. Why would a krogan and a human hook up? Asari are xeno-compatible, humans aren't. Humans with any non-asari aliens is just plain weird. Krogan weigh so much more than humans that they would probably crush a human mate if they got too cozy. Asari seem a lot more resilient than humans in that respect.

And I imagine that a krogan's ability to have a child (granted, an asari child) with an asari would be a huge attractiveness boost for the asari. And the krogan and asari are both long-lived species, so the only option for an asari who wants a "lifelong partner" other than another asari is a krogan. And again, asari mind voodoo, if it exists, would simply make the krogan more receptive to the asari natural appearance, not create an illusion that asari look krogan-like.

The codex entries on the militaries of each race implies that Asari are softer on average than humans.  Perhaps they're slightly more malleable than humans and thus able to accommodate increased pressure?

[Bogsnot1]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Samara's nearly 1000 years old and she's probably one of the most powerufl biotics in the galaxy, who needs armor when you can temporarily fly like she can?

If you were 1000 years old, and still looked that hot, wouldnt you flaunt it too?

Edit:
To OP;
But if you get that annoyed over someone who is clothed and showing a bit of cleavage, why dont you write to National Geographic and accuse them of being pornographers for showing ladies in their cultural clothing, and having their breasts hanging free?

Modifié par Bogsnot1, 13 juin 2011 - 04:22 .

[Anezay]

Siansonea II wrote...

Anezay wrote...

I want to see the fat asari. Do they all hide at home?

I imagine it would be very difficult for a biotic to get fat, human, asari, or otherwise.

Wrex is a biotic.

[GuardianAngel470]

I love how we've been talking about the same topic for over a year, covering the same ground, and making the same progress as we normally do (none) about catsuits and nipple belts.

For the record, I switch Jack to her loyalty costume first chance I get (same with Miranda) but Samara appears to be wearing armor, there's just an exploitable weakness there.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Anezay wrote...

Wrex is a biotic.

Wrex isn't fat, though it seems like you're joking.  Kinda hard to tell.  Anyways Krogan just store extra food in their hump.

[Fortlowe]

Siansonea II wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

The Asari seem to me like a type of parasite.

Symbiotes maybe, but parasites harm or kill the host organism, which is not at all like an asari.

I think the Asari are the ultimate blue pill (edit: from 'The Matrix'...not the comercials). They probably look horrible, really, but everyone is willing to trust the illusion of beauty they project. That being said, I really really hope Samara is a genuine love interest this tim. She's my favorite Asari.

Modifié par Fortlowe, 13 juin 2011 - 04:27 .

[jamesp81]

thurmanator692 wrote...

I love how Miranda's suit gets flack by characters in game while Jack prances along in a nipple belt

Pretty good point, actually.  Samara, Jack, and Miranda's battle attire are a bit unrealistic, IMO.  Truth be told, Mordin's is kind of unrealistic.  It's a lab coat.  Not the best choice for pitched battles.  And let's be honest, Kasumi's get up isn't the smartest thing in the world either.  It isn't as revealing as Miranda's catsuit, for example, but it certainly doesn't strike me as serving as actual combat armor.

Doesn't bother me all that much though.  Would prefer that they sport actual armor in combat, though.  JMO.

[Rhostadt]

Fortlowe wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

The Asari seem to me like a type of parasite.

Symbiotes maybe, but parasites harm or kill the host organism, which is not at all like an asari.

I think the Asari are the ultimate blue pill (edit: from 'The Matrix'...not the comercials). They probably look horrible, really, but everyone is willing to trust the illusion of beauty they project. That being said, I really really hope Samara is a genuine love interest this tim. She's my favorite Asari.

I can't believe anyone would take this theory seriously.  The conversation in Eternity was Mass Effect's writers poking fun at themselves and their 'space babes'.  If this telepathic projection theory was true, it would be exposed the first time a person, who had never had contact with an asari, looked at a picture or video recording.  People in the ME universe would *know*, they wouldn't be sitting around speculating about it while inebriated.

As for Samara, her outfit could be as much ceremonial as anything, considering how ancient and rigid her order is.  Personally, I like her.  Even though I acknolwedge the only moral choice she's made in four hundred years was whether or not to become a Justicar, I repect that she sticks to her principles.  I also see her as the embodiment of the saying 'still waters run deep'.  She appears calm and cold on the surface, but it becomes pretty clear (to me at least) that she feel great depths of love, sorrow, and determination.  She's had literally centuries to practice her facade, so she isn't going to wear her heart on her sleave.

[jamesp81]

PMC65 wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

I have been avoiding pretty much everything official me3 but you are right about ashleys having armor and there fitting into a firefight. I retract that. It's been a while since I saw ashley in a game.

I also have admit that I find the samara character in itself kinda dislikable with the whole unbendable code and that somehow that makes her killings "just". Too selfrightous to me and the justicar concept is kinda unnerving as is maybe spectres too. Those problems though are minor to the physical portrayal.

EDIT: Good point... I forgot about jack.


Ok they can wear... what they like on the ship but can't they put on something like a bulletproof vest when going into combat?

Gearing up could be a cutscene to vary the landing shuttle scenes even.

The asaris are a different species from humans and are not hung up on their bodies the way we are. For an asari on Thessia she might even be considered overdressed for all we know.
(note to self: must visit Thessia )

With all the aliens I give them passes on what they wear since I think some of them may not have really worn clothes at all (asari, drell, elcor). Would elephants really opt for clothing?

The justicar code is what she follows to the letter not her own personal desires. Her personal desires died when the dark fate of her daughters were revealed. The Justicar code and Justicars are highly respected in their world so I never feel a need to make a moral judgement. Now I might suggest that the Justicars stay in asari space so that there is no clash of customs between humans & asari. But then again, I guess I could say that humans may want to stay in human space? 

That would be one of the issues that we would have if we ever did meet aliens .. different ways/thoughts of living clashing with each other. 

I agree with you, and this is the reason Justicars apparently rarely leave Asari space.

If that system works for them, it's not my place to tell them otherwise, though I would never want such a system for my own government.

[jamesp81]

ADLegend21 wrote...

@DPSSOC Benezia's dead, btu she's easily the hardest enemy to kill in ME1 since she can use statis that keeps Shepard down (not like shiala's which is annoying) She can also fight indoctrination so since she's tht skilled she can wear whatever the hell she wants. Samara's also incredibly pwoerful because she hs Reave. Seriously I never have to use medi-gel for her anymore since I always max out Reave.

On a side note, Reave approaches the level of "stupid powerful" in ME2.  It's a viable replacement for Warp in terms of direct damage and defense strpping, and has nasty CC effects to go with it.  It's by far my favorite bonus talent for my Sentinel Shepard.  On a Sentinel, I can develop Reave as my only biotic power and not spend points on Throw to unlock Warp.  I can then spend the rest of my points to max out all my available Tech Powers.

[jamesp81]

Anezay wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Anezay wrote...

I want to see the fat asari. Do they all hide at home?

I imagine it would be very difficult for a biotic to get fat, human, asari, or otherwise.

Wrex is a biotic.

And he's not fat, not by Krogan standards.

[V-rex]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

You just had to say it didnt you? Now the major cities of the world will have woman gathering together for a "Skank Walk".

Watch your mouth. That walk was done as a protest to the fact that in a society with a high percentage of rape, of which only 6% of cases ever make it to court, the authorities thought it would be a better idea to judge and put blame on the victims then actually make any kind of effort to stop these crimes from occuring.
Don't even get me started on this, it makes me mad to see people joke about this.

OT: I've already come back from a thread with a similar theme to this covered in battle scars and war wounds so in the interest of not repeating myself I'll just say that it does annoy me that so many female characters get sexed up like this, not just because it adds to the expectations of women to be sex symbols but also because I find it quite insulting from a male perspective because it makes us all look juvenile.

I'm a man and I get sick of seeing stuff like this. It makes me feel insulted to know that they seriously think this sells to me.

As it stands I don't have too much of a problem with Samara herself. In fact she's among the lucky ones in my big list of characters I like. She's tough, wise, powerful and formiddable and her being sexy doesn't bother me even though a few obnoxious camera angles do frustrate me to no end.

But one thing that does kind of bother me, and something I never got around to mentioning on the other thread, is that even though she is NOT a romantic interest of Shepard... she's still given sex appeal regardless. I mean granted there was something resembling a romance in there but it was one scene that ended as soon as it began, otherwise it's fairly platonic.
The same with Kasumi, sleek, sexy and made to look really attractive. Even though there isn't any hint at a potential relationship.
I could understand giving sex appeal to characters we are expected to romance, but here it just seems strange.

But the real reason it bothers me is, look at the non romanceable males in Mass Effect 2. Zaeed, Grunt and Mordin. One grizzled old mercenary with a face that looks like it lost a fight with a belt sander, one giant dinosaurturtlefrog creature with huge muscles and armor, and one skinny big beady eyed amphibian scientist with horns.
All three of these guys aren't romanceable in any way, and subsequently aren't made to look attractive.

Meanwhile though, Samara and Kasumi are also not romanceable and yet they are still made to look gorgeous. Great boobs, long legs, perfect ass, beautiful faces etc. I don't MIND that they are attractive, but I am confused why they have to be made attractive to appeal to a male audience if there's no real romance. Especially if the same doesn't apply to the boys who all aren't exactly physically attractive.

If they aren't meant to be romanced, why not have them be unattractive? Why not have them be female Batarians or Elcor or Hanar or Volus or one of the other non attractive alien races out there? I asked my friend about it and he said that because Grunt and Mordin weren't meant to be romanced, they could look really alien and there was no pressure to make them look attractive.
I then asked why that same rule didn't apply to Samara or Kasumi. He just stared at me blankly, he then just sort of said:
"Well what's wrong with some hot women?"

My answer is that nothing is WRONG with hot women but there is something to be said about the curious coincidence that suggests that even when they can't be ROMANCED, there is still an obligation to make female characters look sexy. A same obligation not given to the men.

Modifié par V-rex, 13 juin 2011 - 05:21 .

[Crimmsonwind]

Aside from the V neck plunge of all V necks, I actually enjoyed Samara's character a lot. Conversing with her was interesting. I didn't always agree with her severity, but I understood her reasoning after talking to her. And I kept going back to talk to her because I liked her more and more each time. She had interesting things to say, in my opinion.

With regards to the OP, I don't agree that talking with/joining Shepard is shirking her casting off of former possessions and her old life. She's living a different life now, and if she's going to be working toward her goal of punishing an injustice, she's going to have to interact with the people she's helping. She still holds fast to her oaths throughout your conversations.

[Eternal Dust]

thurmanator692 wrote...

I love how Miranda's suit gets flack by characters in game while Jack prances along in a nipple belt

But she's bald so it doesn't count :innocent:

[Nightwriter]

thurmanator692 wrote...

I love how Miranda's suit gets flack by characters in game while Jack prances along in a nipple belt

Okay. Let's think about this.

1) Jack is never presented as a sex object. There's not a single close-up shot of her ass, or her boobs. In fact, Jack's attitude is pretty off-putting, and it takes a special kind of person to keep coming back and push beyond that.

2) The way Jack dresses is in-character. She objectifies sex. She has a casual attitude toward it. She has a f*ck you attitude toward pretty much everything. You think the way she dresses is scandalous? She'd say, "F*ck you."

3) The way Miranda dresses is pretty out of character. She's a cold and pragmatic thinker. She might dress alluringly if she was on a mission where she thinks she'd have to seduce someone, but there is no mission like that in-game. And on a mission where she knows she's walking into combat -- or, God forbid, the Lazarus Project, when the way she dresses might distract the scientists? -- I doubt she'd ever dress the way she does. So it almost feels like they're breaking her character for the purposes of player titillation.

[PMC65]

@octoberfire...

Now my femshep would love Cara the Mord'Sith. Is that an option?

[PMC65]

I think what cracks me up the most about all the sexual debates is that we are playing a VIOLENT game.

CRACK! BAM!
Shepard: "Wow! Look at the way his head just came off!"
Garrus: "Nice!"
Tali: "Great Shepard, that blood splattered on me."
Gamer looking at Miranda/Samara/Jack: "Why is she wearing that? Her breasts are show-"
CRACK! BAM!
Mercs blood splatters everywhere
Garrus: "That was a great shot Shepard."
Shepard: "Thanks! You see how that female merc shook?"
Jack: "You got her right between the eyes! Stupid ****!"
Gamer: "That is so wrong! She shouldn't be dressed that way! It is demeaning to women!"
Garrus: "Who the hell is this idiot?"
Shepard: "You got me."
CRACK! BAM!
Miranda/Samara/Jack: "Whoever he is ... he's dead now. The bastard wouldn't stop looking or talking about my breasts!"

[Weiser_Cain]

I didn't like how she treated biotics like it was magic.

[78stonewobble]

There are some good points in here. About asari culture and biotics as armor.

However IMHO biotics die quite a bit too much ingame for it to seem logical NOT to wear armor.

Personally I would like good "realistic" armor for the battles. More "normal" looking onboard clothing isn't that important to me. Allthough since they pledged to follow me would it be so hard to put on a uniform?

Regarding Samara's character. Her background and "job" is quite ok. But I, as a person don't like the ways she gets the job done. Which is why a character like that should be in the game. Eventhough it brings dislike from me.

However I kinda still feel we are dealing with a "warrior munk" type here. I'd expect simpler more practical wear.

Jack is the person that would refuse to wear a goddamn uniform. On the other hand it's something she wore when she was captured and has been wearing for years. I'd want to get out of that thing ASAP. Some other alternative (but stil "provocative") clothing but also signifying her ongoing "healing process" would have been nice.

Miranda might be cold and effective but use's her looks as part of her "skillset". Which is why it would be ok on the ship. However she would also be professional enough to wear armor in battle.

My oppinions on the whole female clothing issue can be summed up as: Armor for battles!!! onboard clothing? Not so important.


Female looks and to a certain degree also the male physical looks on the other hand is still a quite a bit too perfect IMHO.

I've been wanting "realistic" non perfect people in games since... Well games got semi realistic graphics.

Kinda sad that we've reached the level where Jack's slightly flatter chest is the only abnormality.

Imperfect people in games are reduced to the slightly stupid, the semi mean middle men or jolly barkeeps.

Allthough there's allways the ugly shepard route.


In the "old" days, you couldn't customize the face on your main character but you could choose between a few preset looks. Those could be quite varied.

How about such an option for squadmates?

PS: Sorry for the wall of text.
PPS: In real life I look people in the eyes. I don't look at their boobs, ass and so on. Eyes, what they say and behaviour (personality) is what it's all about for me. Allthough... 2-3 years ago I did check out a girl in the gym but the only reason I did that was that she had the most charming scar on her chin/jaw. It hinted at something major in her past and people that overcome are most inspiring and interesting.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 13 juin 2011 - 09:42 .