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[jbblue05]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...


Shepard needs to realize he can't make everyone jump at his/her command

ME2 was a Renegade fest (baring content- because you killed those people). You get to work for an organization that fits the Renegades style, and no matter what, Paragons have to defend Cerberus when we're talking with others.

Also, how do you know the Alliance and Council didn't backslide? All of that talk about preparing for the Reapers, and then they just say "nah, they don't exist", and they drag Shep's name through the mud while they're add it. I doubt the Council believes. Just giving into Renegade demands to make the story "darker, and edgier".

You should kee the base and EVERYBODY on your squad b!tches at you. while you are high-fived for destroying it.

Paragons can sabotaged athroughout the game.
Freedom's Progress  Project Overlord.  Collector Base turn Lorek evidence over to the Alliance.

Paragons are not railroaded into thinking Cerberus is awesome.

We know the Alliance and Council hav reasearched Sovereign's remains, they are researching on Ilos, they have been systematically wiping ot the Heretic holdouts, they have bolstered the Citadel defenses..  In one of the trailers the Allikance had  hundreds of ships in orbit around Earth during Shep's trial.
Kenson who is part of the Alliance was trying to destory the Alpha Relay so the Reapers can't suprise attack us

Once again acknowledging the Reaper threat to the public is STUPID

You forget one thing:

Shep is not the public! He/she knows the Reapers exist. He/she decided the fate of the Council, and he/she is the reason is why they are all still alive. There's no point in hiding it from him/her! It's a stupid decision.

Shepard is working for you know  "Terrorists"

[GreenDragon37]

jbblue05 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...


Shepard needs to realize he can't make everyone jump at his/her command

ME2 was a Renegade fest (baring content- because you killed those people). You get to work for an organization that fits the Renegades style, and no matter what, Paragons have to defend Cerberus when we're talking with others.

Also, how do you know the Alliance and Council didn't backslide? All of that talk about preparing for the Reapers, and then they just say "nah, they don't exist", and they drag Shep's name through the mud while they're add it. I doubt the Council believes. Just giving into Renegade demands to make the story "darker, and edgier".

You should kee the base and EVERYBODY on your squad b!tches at you. while you are high-fived for destroying it.

Paragons can sabotaged athroughout the game.
Freedom's Progress  Project Overlord.  Collector Base turn Lorek evidence over to the Alliance.

Paragons are not railroaded into thinking Cerberus is awesome.

We know the Alliance and Council hav reasearched Sovereign's remains, they are researching on Ilos, they have been systematically wiping ot the Heretic holdouts, they have bolstered the Citadel defenses..  In one of the trailers the Allikance had  hundreds of ships in orbit around Earth during Shep's trial.
Kenson who is part of the Alliance was trying to destory the Alpha Relay so the Reapers can't suprise attack us

Once again acknowledging the Reaper threat to the public is STUPID

You forget one thing:

Shep is not the public! He/she knows the Reapers exist. He/she decided the fate of the Council, and he/she is the reason is why they are all still alive. There's no point in hiding it from him/her! It's a stupid decision.

Shepard is working for you know  "Terrorists"

Ah railroading. <_<

[Whole Particle]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And bit*hing without knowing all the details and not giving BioWare a chance to explain the event (which they will in the game) is just silly, if you ask me.

Maybe they figure discussing it now gives BW a chance to reverse the direction the story's taken before the game comes out? (As unlikely as it may be...)

Modifié par Whole Particle, 12 juin 2011 - 11:29 .

[Machazareel]

It's not like you need every Cerberus member to become magically indoctrinated for it to spread. All you need is a higher-up to start ordering people to investigate an area where indoctrination awaits them.

[Someone With Mass]

Whole Particle wrote...
Maybe they figure discussing it now gives BW a chance to reverse the direction the story's taken before the game comes out? (As unlikely as it may be...)

If that's the goal, then I think there are better ways to accomplish it.

Better than saying "BioWare, you suck!"

[88mphSlayer]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Seriously Bioware? This is the best you could do? Are you even trying anymore?

We've heard this kind of whining already (mainly from bitter pro-cerberus renegades), is this the best whining you can do?  Are you even trying to put effort into your whines anymore?

well... we have almost a year until ME3 comes out, might as well talk about something

[Quyk Sylvyr]

I always got the feeling that the Reapers wouldn't even have to indoctrinate everyone in Cerberus - if TIM told a Cerberus operative that rubbing his tummy and patting his head would help humanity, the operative would do it until TIM told him to stop.

[Sleepicub09]

 why do people always compare Mass Effect  to gears? I feeling of gears of war never pops up when I'm playing mass effect. Any who as for the cerberus working for the reapers, I think its actually makes sense if you did certian thing at the end of ME2.

[nitrog100]

Cerberus getting turned kind of sucks. There's no real explanation for it. The Illusive Man never would have destroyed the Collectors if he had been under Reaper control the whole time. Even then, if the Illusive Man somehow did get indoctrinated, why would the rest of the organization turn against humanity.

[TheJiveDJ]

I think most people are upset about the Cerberus indoctrination because TIM was such a well written...antagonist? Supporting character? Not sure, but he was great. You never really knew his true motives and he always seemed to have some kind of ulterior motive.

If it turns out that TIM is simply indoctrinated it removes all importance from the character and turns him into a one-sided, one-dimensional lifeless character, devoid of all depth. That is, of course if TIM is actually indoctrinated....something tells me he isn't....I hope he isnt....

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 13 juin 2011 - 12:51 .

[redbaron76]

Did you gandalf read the comic book about origins of the TIM. You will see thsat he was indoctrinated same time as Sarens brother. Or are you to stupid to accept that fact, because of your cerberus love affair.

[DocLasty]

TheJiveDJ wrote...

I think most people are upset about the Cerberus indoctrination because TIM was such a well written...antagonist? Supporting character? Not sure, but he was great. You never really knew his true motives and he always seemed to have some kind of ulterior motive.

If it turns out that TIM is simply indoctrinated it removes all importance from the character and turns him into a one-sided, one-dimensional lifeless character, devoid of all depth. That is, of course if TIM is actually indoctrinated....something tells me he isn't....I hope he isnt....

Being indoctrinated didn't stop Saren from being an interesting character.

[Comsky159]

I'd like to think that they made a deal with the reapers to spare earth. Kill Shepard and they'll only ravish the rest of the galaxy. It's not totally unbelievable, Shepard to the reapers must be like Doctor Who to the Daleks.

[jbblue05]

Comsky159 wrote...

I'd like to think that they made a deal with the reapers to spare earth. Kill Shepard and they'll only ravish the rest of the galaxy. It's not totally unbelievable, Shepard to the reapers must be like Doctor Who to the Daleks.

After finding out  thousands of civilizations were destroyed  the Protheans were turn into Collectors and seeing humans turned into a reaper why would TIM expect the Reapers to spare Humanity and Earth?

[atheelogos]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Seriously Bioware? This is the best you could do? Are you even trying anymore?

Makes perfect sense to me. Cerberus wants to elevate Humans and the Reapers want to turn us into Machine Gods.... They want the same thing at the end of the day.

[FluffyScarf]

Apparently, if the story isn't exactly how their fabulous imagination imagined, then it's wrong, weak, full of holes. <_<

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 13 juin 2011 - 10:03 .

[BelgianGuy]

Something combining thousands of plot points from 2 previous games + comics + books... Yeah, it's going to have some holes.

HOWEVER, for the love of god, STOP ****ING. I just know the people ****ing are the retards who'll post bad reviews on metacritic the exact second allowed even though they haven't played the game, just like they did with DA2.

Seriously. Nowhere it is stated that Cerberus works for the reapers.
WE HAVE SEEN CERBERUS FIGHTING SHEPARD. That is it. Maybe they are working for the reapers - maybe Shepard ran off with TIM's sexy wife.
We.
Don't.
Know.

Stop.
Crying.

[KotorEffect3]

BelgianGuy wrote...

Something combining thousands of plot points from 2 previous games + comics + books... Yeah, it's going to have some holes.

HOWEVER, for the love of god, STOP ****ING. I just know the people ****ing are the retards who'll post bad reviews on metacritic the exact second allowed even though they haven't played the game, just like they did with DA2.

Seriously. Nowhere it is stated that Cerberus works for the reapers.
WE HAVE SEEN CERBERUS FIGHTING SHEPARD. That is it. Maybe they are working for the reapers - maybe Shepard ran off with TIM's sexy wife.
We.
Don't.
Know.

Stop.
Crying.

I agree with you but I think the whiners are dead set on whining.

[Machazareel]

BelgianGuy wrote...

Something combining thousands of plot points from 2 previous games + comics + books... Yeah, it's going to have some holes.

HOWEVER, for the love of god, STOP ****ING. I just know the people ****ing are the retards who'll post bad reviews on metacritic the exact second allowed even though they haven't played the game, just like they did with DA2.

Seriously. Nowhere it is stated that Cerberus works for the reapers.
WE HAVE SEEN CERBERUS FIGHTING SHEPARD. That is it. Maybe they are working for the reapers - maybe Shepard ran off with TIM's sexy wife.
We.
Don't.
Know.

Stop.
Crying.

Actually, it sorta  is stated. I think it was either Gamespot or IGN who had a live gameplay demo where we actually got to hear all of the audio while they were playing through, and during one of the missions, Shepard stated in-combat that they were indoctrinated.

[Dean_the_Young]

atheelogos wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Seriously Bioware? This is the best you could do? Are you even trying anymore?

Makes perfect sense to me. Cerberus wants to elevate Humans and the Reapers want to turn us into Machine Gods.... They want the same thing at the end of the day.

The Council argues that following it will help and empower Humanity. Clearly they want the same thing for Humanity as the Reapers: after all, they both want what's best, right?

[TheJiveDJ]

DocLasty wrote...

TheJiveDJ wrote...

I think most people are upset about the Cerberus indoctrination because TIM was such a well written...antagonist? Supporting character? Not sure, but he was great. You never really knew his true motives and he always seemed to have some kind of ulterior motive.

If it turns out that TIM is simply indoctrinated it removes all importance from the character and turns him into a one-sided, one-dimensional lifeless character, devoid of all depth. That is, of course if TIM is actually indoctrinated....something tells me he isn't....I hope he isnt....

Being indoctrinated didn't stop Saren from being an interesting character.

True but BioWare's definition of indoctrination seems to have changed a bit since then. Most of the time now someone is just completely entralled by the Reapers ala the woman from Arrival, or it can be turned off and on randomely without the indoctrinated person realizing. For Saren, indoctrination became a part of his personality, and he would often realize and acknowledge the effects of indoctrination and battle with it.

I just see TIM as interesting enough without adding "being controlled by Reapers" into the mix. I'm sure BioWare has some kind of ace up their sleeve with this whole thing, I guess we'll have to wait and see,

[TheJiveDJ]

BelgianGuy wrote...

Something combining thousands of plot points from 2 previous games + comics + books... Yeah, it's going to have some holes.

HOWEVER, for the love of god, STOP ****ING. I just know the people ****ing are the retards who'll post bad reviews on metacritic the exact second allowed even though they haven't played the game, just like they did with DA2.

Seriously. Nowhere it is stated that Cerberus works for the reapers.
WE HAVE SEEN CERBERUS FIGHTING SHEPARD. That is it. Maybe they are working for the reapers - maybe Shepard ran off with TIM's sexy wife.
We.
Don't.
Know.

Stop.
Crying.

BioWare has already acknowledged the fact that Cerb is indoctrinated.  I attended E3 this year and this fact was mentioned during Casey Hudson's behind-closed-doors presentation, which I was lucky enough to see (I'll admit it, I nerdasmd).  Shep also mentions it during one of the E3 videos I believe.  Slip of the tongue?  Perhaps.  Are we all over-reacting?  Perhaps.  Not the end of the world for me, I know BW will work some magic.

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 14 juin 2011 - 07:19 .

[Admoniter]

First off Cerberus are idiots the fact that this hasn't happened before is a miracle. All joking aside with how poor they are with handling alien that has a bad case of turning you into a mindless zombie. I will wait and see however, mark my words though if the whole Cerberus and Reaper BFF thing turns out to be poorly written ot just laziness for the sake of different enemies. I will shoot a book, and not just any book a critically acclaimed well written book.

Modifié par Admoniter, 14 juin 2011 - 07:30 .

[Skirata129]

there is always the possibility that Cerberus is trying to kill shepard for a completely unrelated reason which we will discover later. Cerberus has always been about the end justifying the means, and the end they want is the advancement and preservation of humanity at all costs. If it turns out there's some way shepards death will advance this goal more than having him alive would, then yeah, I'd expect them to hunt me. I'm just curious what the reasoning is, because I don't buy the indoctrination thing. Where is everyone getting that from?