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[Captain Crash]

Eshaye wrote...

crayonsun wrote...


This. All the complains about how "no woman would sit like that (in a dress)" have now made me worried that she'll sit like a dainty princess in ME3. .

 There's already a better sitting animation in Shadow Broker, there was a pic floating around but I can't find it now. She's sitting with closed legs and hands a litte bit under her legs. She's not crossing them or anything 'lady like'.

Have these on quicksave because it come up a lot.  Shows they can work if they try.


 


Here you go in the dress to.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 13 juin 2011 - 11:49 .

[diskoh]

The male one looks way better for femShep. She looks too artificial and rigid in the other.

This looks awesome though, what's this about? I hope she has something like that in ME3.

[CrimsonNephilim]

I like that stance on her. Hoping it stays in as one of her animations.

[Captain Crash]

diskoh wrote...

The male one looks way better for femShep. She looks too artificial and rigid in the other.

This looks awesome though, what's this about? I hope she has something like that in ME3.

Ahhhh the old folded arms scenario.  I cant count the amount of times its used    

I think the quoted picture was when shes talking to Miranda.   But I will highlight at a bit more diversity in the animation usage. Not that that pose doesnt rock, its just when you look for it you notice its used a lot!! 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 14 juin 2011 - 12:03 .

[LemonCurry?]

I haven't actually played LotSB yet (I know, just got back to playing ME again after a break ) but I've seen it (on YouTube and now these pics)... I must be in the minority thinking that animation is only better if Shep is wearing the Kasumi dress, otherwise it's still a bit too "lady-like" (for my Sheps anyway). And yeah, somehow stiff and formal, I don't really sit like that casually.

Eh, comes down to preference for sure, but I wouldn't want that to be FemShep's only sitting animation ever.

[diskoh]

Captain Crash wrote...

diskoh wrote...

The male one looks way better for femShep. She looks too artificial and rigid in the other.

This looks awesome though, what's this about? I hope she has something like that in ME3.

Ahhhh the old folded arms scenario.  I cant count the amount of times its used    

I think the quoted picture was when shes talking to Miranda.   But I will highlight at a bit more diversity in the animation usage. Not that that pose doesnt rock, its just when you look for it you notice its used a lot!! 

Was referring to the outfit actually.

[CrimsonNephilim]

I've never seen that outfit o.0

[Eshaye]

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

I've never seen that outfit o.0

 
It's a retexture of Liara's outfit in Shadow Broker. 

[CrimsonNephilim]

ah, gottcha

[Sora Shepard]

In ME2 the "male" mannerisms bothered me primarily because they made it seem like FemShep was just an afterthought pasted over the ManShep model, especially since she seemed to gave her own animations in ME1.

ClonedZero makes a GREAT point that a smaller fighter would be quicker, with more finesse, like a martial artist. How cool would that be? That would really add to the experience and give players who otherwise wouldn't play a female character a reason to maybe give FemShep a whirl. What a missed opportunity. I would LOVE for my FemShep to kick ass like Michelle Yeoh.

[REgentleman]

I didn't really notice anything femShep did as being particularly awkward.. I thought her animations were as badass as manShep's, if not more.

Like, when she's Patriarch's krantt and cracks her knuckles, then gives that krogan what I've known to called a stepin side-kick, then assumes fighting stance? That technique might not have been perfect, but I have no problem believing it was good enough to buckle him over.

Maybe it helps that I've taken a martial art where women assumed all the same stances as men in unisex uniforms. When we sparred in protective gear, it was hard to tell the genders apart aside from the voices, and I never noticed any lack of forcefulness that would've given the girls away. I have no problem believing femShep hits at least as hard as manShep; I've had enough feet bash my headgear from both genders to be scared of either.

/guy here

Modifié par REgentleman, 14 juin 2011 - 02:19 .

[Captain Crash]

AwesomeName wrote...

I love that femshep is relatively masculine. It's not over-the-top at all, and I think the voice acting strikes the perfect balance. And I actually liked that the female's animations are shared with the male's. I think it was a good idea. The only problem was when she sat in a dress . As for her walking/running animations, I think they were perfectly fine when she was in armor, but they should change those for BOTH male and females when they're not wearing armor - otherwise, keep it as is, please.

Female Shepard is pretty much the first female action hero that actually feels believable to me. There have been plenty strong female characters in various films/tv, but as far as physicality goes, the only other female character I can think of who didn't punch like Buffy/a Spice Girl was Hilary Swank in Million Dollar Baby. To me, shepard has believable physicality, gravity, strength, power, intelligence, diplomacy, charisma, etc. - all the qualities you would want from a leader who's also a soldier on the front lines. I like that her gender doesn't come into that, and that she doesn't have to conform to societal norms for how a female should behave.

I find it laughable that some people actually think that FemShep's body language should conform to feminine standards in order to not conform to a male oriented society. If anything, that perpetuates pressure to conform to gender roles.

Again this is about gender neutrality I agree it should be there.  But this post just feels like its making another excuse for Bioware to give femshep clearly male animations because they didnt have time to seperate the pair in ME2.     I find it odd you think its "laughable femShep's body language should conform to feminine standards" when the simple fact is she is female and has quite an athletic/slim build.  Her movements just never looked right in several situations and looked very awkward on the Normandy for example.   The fact this is discussed a lot shows theres an issue and I really do feel posts justifying it (who knows what gender behaviour looks like in the future?  I grown used to it, ect)  is just excusing Bioware neglecting her movements in ME2.  In fact you say that it "perpetuates pressure to conform to gender roles" which is just a giant hyperbole of the situation.  Im sure everyone agrees that the gender neutrality is great on the most part, but theres no getting around the fact males and females clearly do have real life differences.  This wasnt displayed in ME2 and a lot of people noticed hence it being brought up a lot.  


Im not asking for overly feminine or girly. But Bioware needs to spend more time on some the things she does in ME3.  Afterall she is female and if we wanted lots of relatively masculine traits then we would just play maleshep.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Captain Crash wrote...

Have these on quicksave because it come up a lot.  Shows they can work if they try.
 

I hated when my FemShep sat like that in LotSB. It was so not her to sit all prim and proper with her chest kind of sticking out. When she did that after a whole game of her normal slouch, I was like, "Who are you trying to impress??"

Meh. I much prefer the slouch. Just not in the dress.

[FlyingWalrus]

Frankly, I don't see why Bioware can't take previous assets like character animations and apply them to current games.

I mean... imagine my amusement/seething when I saw that the cuddling in Dragon Age II was the exact same animation rig as in Mass Effect 2. I mean, the games don't even run on the same engine but clearly it was the exact identical rig.

As for me, I like tomboys so I don't care how forceful, masculine or brutal FemShep comes off in demeanor. It's Renegade, after all.

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 14 juin 2011 - 10:24 .

[Shepard Lives]

I think the point here is that "masculine traits" are in-character for some female Shepards and out-of-character for others.

And that regardless of masculinity FemShep should get her own rig and animations in ME3.

[REgentleman]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

Have these on quicksave because it come up a lot.  Shows they can work if they try.
 

I hated when my FemShep sat like that in LotSB. It was so not her to sit all prim and proper with her chest kind of sticking out. When she did that after a whole game of her normal slouch, I was like, "Who are you trying to impress??"

Meh. I much prefer the slouch. Just not in the dress.

Maybe she just felt like sitting that way to stretch

[Destroy Raiden_]

I think two animations for fshep sitting and walking should be made up one for her casuals where she walks and sits like she did in ME

and one for when she wears a dress she would sit like the example SB photo and walk well not like a man in a dress. The code would be set up for conditions if condition dress is met use these animations if condition casual is met use these.

[bigSarg]

tmp7704 wrote...

bigSarg wrote...

I see what your saying and I understand, I apologize if my post offended you, I'm not trying to start an arguement or disrespect anyones opinion, I do agree that FShep has proven that she is as tough as she sounds, I guess I just wasn't happy with the tone or maybe even the voice-over.  But Thats just my personal preference, if they use the same tone and voice-over in ME3 I will still enjoy the game.   

No problem at all, and sorry if it sounded too much like i was sniping at you specifically   It was just kind of generic frustration really.

Thanks, but you have nothing to be sorry about, I can see how my post would cause that type of reaction, it was poorly worded.

Let me try to explain what I actually meant- I'm more impressed by someone that doesn't sound tough (either male or female) but by their actions proves that they are, the phrase "speak softly but carry a big stick" comes to mind,   I dislike people that feel the need to advertise that they are the biggest baddest mother on the block and end up being all talk and no balls to back it up, but I respect those that have the mild-mannered personality but when the time comes to kicka** they do it without hesitation and with great skill, kind of like Jet Li (if anyone has ever heard of him) he talks very softly and is very humble (in his movies anyways) but when pushed he can knock your butt out before you can blink.  Now I recognise that FShep is tough as nails and can back up everything she says but I would still like a softer sounding FShep, just the tone of her voice not necessarily what she says and only in certain circumstances, there is a time and place for toughness and a time and place for a softer approach, I would like to see more of that diversity in the hopes of giving both Shep's more depth.  I do respect everyones opinion and their right to disagree, but this is my own personal opinion, and I'm not going to insist that it is right for everyone.  I hope this post explains things better and does not offend anyone.

[jamesp81]

TheDarkRats wrote...

I have no problem with the reasons you mentioned, and I play female Shepard. Who said cracking your knuckles is a manly trait? I don't see it done onto one gender more than another. Also, in my opinion, it isn't supposed to be taken in a symbolistic way, but more of a threat. From what she's been through, of course she's going to have habits that act toward a more "butched" direction. I don't personally see any indication, in Mass Effect 2, that she's trying to "act tough" or act masculine. Maybe i'm blind, but that's just how I see into this matter.

Ehh....she does try too hard sometimes, IMO.  Still a great performance by the VA, but femshep does appear to try too hard more than once.

[jamesp81]

octoberfire wrote...

I sort of agree in a way. I liked FemShep best in the first Mass Effect. It just felt like in ME2 they "butch-ified" her to an extreme and there was definitely a marked difference in JH's intonation when she delivered her lines. Maybe this was on purpose? Either way they need to reel it back. Also, please give FemShep her own animation rig in ME3. I cringe in horror at her posture when she's sitting and her running in a dress just reminds me of a drunk gorilla.

I'm with you.  The ME1 portrayal was better.  She tried too hard in ME2 to act like a badass.

[knightnblu]

You bring up an interesting point, but a moot one. Gender roles in the West have changed substantially and women have indeed become more butch. If you examine the violent crime rates between men and women there is no difference between the sexes any longer. Thirty years ago, violent crimes among women were rare. Today, they murder and injure right up there with the boys.

Culturally, movies like Ultra Violet, Resident Evil, and Underworld provide new stereotypes for women to emulate. Times have changed, the culture has changed, and women have changed and I really don't see them ever going back to "classic" type again. Femshep is just another example of how hard women have become and I expect them to grow even harder.

When being feminine is viewed as a weakness and vulnerability is despised, it is no wonder that women seek to become masculine.