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[CrookedAsylum]

Clonedzero wrote...

like in arrival when shepard wakes up and knocks out those two dudes, it woulda been cool if femshep did it differently , maybe flipping one of them over into a table using their momentum and tripping the other one and slamming his head into the wall? hell i woulda been better if shepard of both genders did it that way lol

I was going to say, dude, using the momentum of an opponent against them is usual the best thing to do, regardless of sex.

[tmp7704]

Tchones13 wrote...

And don't even begin the whole "Oh, but she's supposed to be a strong badass soldier, etc" fiasco because that's just a stupid, wrong notion that in order to be a strong female you have to act like a man.

Maybe the wrong notion is the one that someone who simply acts strong is "acting like a man"?

[Xeranx]

tmp7704 wrote...

Tchones13 wrote...

And don't even begin the whole "Oh, but she's supposed to be a strong badass soldier, etc" fiasco because that's just a stupid, wrong notion that in order to be a strong female you have to act like a man.

Maybe the wrong notion is the one that someone who simply acts strong is "acting like a man"?

Just noting that that wasn't the impression I was trying to make if that's the impression that came across.

[CrookedAsylum]

Tchones13 wrote...

It was a disaster.
And don't even begin the whole "Oh, but she's supposed to be a strong badass soldier, etc" fiasco because that's just a stupid, wrong notion that in order to be a strong female you have to act like a man. It is just the opposite. And while I'm not a Marine, I'll bet there'd be quite a few out there who'd be upset by that silly perception.

Pardon? You pick up the mannerisms of those around you, and if you're surrounded by violence, military or otherwise, you're likely to adapt and fall back on mannerisms that are both gender neutral and animalistic. And I promise, it's mostly societal norms that have people thinking cracking their knuckles, rolling their shoulder, and sitting in a sloppy slouch that has people thinking those are 'butch'.

In ME1, it was less noticeable. They claim they didn't have separate animations, but that's not entirely true, is it?
FemShep dancing at Flux, for example - did have more feminine animations (as she should), unlike in ME2, where she danced like an angry lesbian trucker in 1973. Same thing whenever she sat. All she was missing was a flannel shirt and a mullet, scratch her groin, spit on the floor, and she's ready for transgender surgery.

I get that nobody needs or wants a sissy, a Shepard that's like Barbie on the battlefield - that goes without saying. All I'm asking is for gender-specific animations where they apply, especially out of duty (such as sitting, etc).

Seriously? Oh my God...
Bad form, man, bad form. Poor dancing and poor mannerisms does not angry lesbian trucker make. Shame on you for even saying that, I'm sure many angry lesbian truckers would be offended too.

A particular scene comes to mind - when Shepard and Dr. Chakwas drink together, out of duty, mind you - and for a moment, I thought my Shepard was going to make a pass at the good doctor. She looked like a man, not a woman, sitting and drinking there with her female friend. Ironically - you call Jacob to your quarters and he crosses his legs when he sits! The roles are all reversed (well, but since this is Jacob, let's forget the last example ). The (Kasumi DLC) dress only served to bring the ridicule in this to a whole other level. 

This absolutely NEEDS to be adressed for ME3. Please, Bioware!

I sit like that all the time. I'm female. I'm not a lesbian, and I don't make a habit of hitting on friends. I like to sit in what's most comfortable for me, though, and if slouching back in my seat with my legs akimbo - while I'm wearing jeans or shorts, mind you - offends someone's sensibilities of what's 'feminine' and 'right for a female' then screw it.

And I'm pretty sure femShep looked like a woman, there.

Just, you know, not sitting all dainty like.

[Shotokanguy]

Clonedzero wrote...

when i saw the vid of femshep in LotSB rushing the shadowbroker and slamming the shield i laughed at how silly it looked.

shoulda had a more believable scene/animation for femshep than brute forcing it like maleshep.

i agree with you, having her be super butch and do all the same actions as maleshep comes across as awkward and goofy.

?

Yeah, FemShep should have done a few cartwheels and then a beautiful spinning kick like a ballerina or something.

Please.

The problem wasn't FemShep acting butch, both characters just share animations. Your perception of an action like cracking knuckles before you saw FemShep do it is the only reason you didn't like it.

[KBomb]

I loved the way she moved in the first Mass Effect. Her walk was believable and natural, as was her run. Mass Effect 2 was….so not. The first time I saw her walk, run or sit--I didn’t know what to think. Female characters should have their own animations. However, I loved her bad-ass demeanor. I wouldn’t mind her toning it down when she found an upgrade, though. “I could use this!” The first time that happened on Freedom’s Progress, I thought it was Jacob. Didn’t realize until I had an all girl squad that it was my Shepard. Freaked me out a little.

[tmp7704]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

I sit like that all the time. I'm female. I'm not a lesbian, and I don't make a habit of hitting on friends.

But surely, you must own a truck at least ;/

[Ryzaki]

Frankly I think dude Shep looks equally silly with some of those animations. And the headbutt to a Krogan was headdesk worthy.

They're cyborgs. Normal rules need not apply.

And who knows how heavy they actually are with all that metal in them?  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juin 2011 - 12:16 .

[CrimsonNephilim]

The only thing that really bothered me about femshep animation was how she would spread her legs when she sat. At some parts in the game its was just awkward.

[CrookedAsylum]

tmp7704 wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

I sit like that all the time. I'm female. I'm not a lesbian, and I don't make a habit of hitting on friends.

But surely, you must own a truck at least ;/

Nope, I own a honda  fit sport.

It is the epitomy of adorable.

I sitll sit like a 'lesbian trucker' in it apparently, though.

[Clonedzero]

Shotokanguy wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

when i saw the vid of femshep in LotSB rushing the shadowbroker and slamming the shield i laughed at how silly it looked.

shoulda had a more believable scene/animation for femshep than brute forcing it like maleshep.

i agree with you, having her be super butch and do all the same actions as maleshep comes across as awkward and goofy.

?

Yeah, FemShep should have done a few cartwheels and then a beautiful spinning kick like a ballerina or something.

Please.

The problem wasn't FemShep acting butch, both characters just share animations. Your perception of an action like cracking knuckles before you saw FemShep do it is the only reason you didn't like it.

i'd highly suggest you read the actual thread before commenting. it makes you look bad.

[CrookedAsylum]

Ryzaki wrote...

They're cyborgs. Normal rules need not apply.

I think this is dreadfully applicable.

[tmp7704]

Tchones13 wrote...

Act, behave... what you have,: you know exactly what I meant, don't twist it, k?

No, i wasn't trying to twist anything there. It was a honest (if snarky) question -- maybe really the wrong notion is the one that mannerism which are related to being strong are "reserved" only for men, and so a woman who does the same things is then believed to be "acting like a man" ... when she could be simply above this whole gender segregation and couldn't care less?

[CrookedAsylum]

Tchones13 wrote...

See, there's another wrong notion - believing that with nitpicky, silly remarks you'll outsmart your fellow poster and make them look foolish. When that's actually just trolling, and doesn't contribute to the discussion in the slightest.

Says the one who equated bad dancing and gender-neutral aggression to angry-lesbian-trandgender mannerisms.

[onelifecrisis]

Without wanting to get into a debate on what is "manly" and what isn't, I must point out that there are some simple facts people are ignoring here.

A man's hips and pelvis are shaped very differently to a woman's. This affects how they run, walk, stand, and even sit. I would like to see this difference reflected in mShep's and fShep's animations.

This has bothered me since ME1. It's most noticable when running/walking/sprinting in exploration mode, which I believe is a hand-made animation designed to strike a mid-point between the way men and women walk. The result is a mShep who walks a bit like a woman, and a fShep who walks a bit like a man.

In cutscenes I believe BW use motion capture, and I believe it's a man who does the animations because in all cutscenes fShep moves like a man.

Both of these problems are annoying, though not deal breakers for me.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 13 juin 2011 - 12:30 .

[D.Kain]

Masculine and feminine are traits, Male and Female are sexes. Acting certain way does not make you man or a woman its all between your legs.

[Clonedzero]

people are being WAY overly politically correct.

yes, you can act girly.
you can act manly.

society, culture and natural behavior patterns are what show certain things to be easily seen as "manly" or "girly".

stop being overly philosophical about it because it just doesnt fly in the real world.

[Captain Crash]

Always nice to see this brought up because it means it more likely Bioware will do something 


This is an ongoing discussion point on the below thread, especially in terms of her animations as its the most notable issue in regards to ME2.   As a result its the first point several of us would like addressed  


http://social.biowar...index/7187121/1

Modifié par Captain Crash, 13 juin 2011 - 12:28 .

[KBomb]

Tchones13 wrote...

It was a disaster.
And don't even begin the whole "Oh, but she's supposed to be a strong badass soldier, etc" fiasco because that's just a stupid, wrong notion that in order to be a strong female you have to act like a man. It is just the opposite. And while I'm not a Marine, I'll bet there'd be quite a few out there who'd be upset by that silly perception.

In ME1, it was less noticeable. They claim they didn't have separate animations, but that's not entirely true, is it?
FemShep dancing at Flux, for example - did have more feminine animations (as she should), unlike in ME2, where she danced like an angry lesbian trucker in 1973. Same thing whenever she sat. All she was missing was a flannel shirt and a mullet, scratch her groin, spit on the floor, and she's ready for transgender surgery.

I get that nobody needs or wants a sissy, a Shepard that's like Barbie on the battlefield - that goes without saying. All I'm asking is for gender-specific animations where they apply, especially out of duty (such as sitting, etc).

A particular scene comes to mind - when Shepard and Dr. Chakwas drink together, out of duty, mind you - and for a moment, I thought my Shepard was going to make a pass at the good doctor. She looked like a man, not a woman, sitting and drinking there with her female friend. Ironically - you call Jacob to your quarters and he crosses his legs when he sits! The roles are all reversed (well, but since this is Jacob, let's forget the last example ). The (Kasumi DLC) dress only served to bring the ridicule in this to a whole other level. 

This absolutely NEEDS to be adressed for ME3. Please, Bioware!

I see your point-- except for the lesbian trucker thing, while it was lulzy…ouch. I believe that those who think if you’re a bad-ass female solider then you have to have this “butchy” (ugh, I hate that word, I can’t think of a better one at this point) attitude of being on par with the men around you, is just as bad as the ones who think a woman can’t be bad-ass and be completely feminine at the same time. Stereotypes are asinine no matter how you look at it. I completely agree that females should have their own animations. I don’t think what you’re asking for is too much. I do hope it’s addressed in the next installment.

[EsterCloat]

You guys are little too hung up on these mannerisms. The only mannerism I noticed that was overtly weird was FemShep sitting open legged with that black dress on. Everything else I couldn't care less about. I never looked at Shep and thought, "that's a dude-walk" or "that's now how she'd intimidate someone". Don't know what's so hard to accept about it.

[tmp7704]

onelifecrisis wrote...

A man's hips and pelvis are shaped very differently to a woman's. This affects how they run, walk, stand, and even sit. I would like to see this difference reflected in mShep's and fShep's animations.

Sadly, whenever it happens the animators seems to have real difficulty with not turning the dial on the "sexy" walkcycle all way to 11. Given that, as much as it'd make sense... well, maybe it's something best left untouched. See: Ashley, as soon as they got their hands on the new hair tech.

[CrookedAsylum]

Clonedzero wrote...

stop being overly philosophical about it because it just doesnt fly in the real world.

Apparently it does, because there's debates and movements about gender segregation all the time.

And there's nothing manly or feminine about what is gender neutral and basic in nature.

[SilentNukee]

I rather like the way she is, she suits me. She isn't some girly girl saving the galaxy. She needs to get down and dirty.