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[ThatDancingTurian]

As a female gamer, I'm totally fine with her animations. the only time I think she looked weird was when her arms were spread too wide because it seems like they didn't scale down the animations to fit her frame. Other than that, I don't think her animations were weird at all.

It seems like one of the main complaints is about how she sits, but I sit just like that at home. I don't consider myself particularly butch (I love Disney movies and gush over fake relationships with my game character and her alien boyfriend, so...), it's just comfortable. When you don't wear a lot of skirts you don't have to worry about keeping your legs together all the time.

The only time it's a problem for FemShep is when she's wearing that ridiculous black leather dress, which personally I find OOC for Shep to be traipsing around in in front of her subordinates anyway. ::shrug::

[D.Kain]

Clonedzero wrote...

people are being WAY overly politically correct.

yes, you can act girly.
you can act manly.

society, culture and natural behavior patterns are what show certain things to be easily seen as "manly" or "girly".

stop being overly philosophical about it because it just doesnt fly in the real world.

By the year of mass effect it WILL fly.

[Clonedzero]

i find it hilarious people are AGAINST giving femshep her own animations...

[D.Kain]

Clonedzero wrote...

i find it hilarious people are AGAINST giving femshep her own animations...

Because its still same person, only without balls.

[Clonedzero]

D.Kain wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

i find it hilarious people are AGAINST giving femshep her own animations...

Because its still same person, only without balls.

there are fundemental differences between men and women besides their genitals. i dont know how anyone could deny that.

not to mention, if the first two games are any indication, girls still act like girls and guys still act like guys.
which makes sense, the sexes mature at different rates. they have different horomone levels, they have different body times. society and culture in general looks at them differently.

femshep is what you'd call a "tomboy". is it wrong? no. it just comes accross as really awkward and goofy to alot of people.

and i completely understand that people want their badass female character to actually feel and behave like a badass female character rather than a reskinned male character.

theres nothing wrong with people wanting their female character to be more feminine. theres nothing that says a feminine person can't be a badass.

the whole gender neutral, politically correctness is disgusting and takes away unique traits from everyone.

[Comsky159]

A lot of people want very different things, there are also threads vocalising calls for femshep to become more masculine, because they feel she looks too frail for the combat manouvers.

Personally I think ME2 got the balance right. This is going to be a split issue because a female dosen't always match the outlandish physical actions required. Insaying that asking for new animations is absolutely ludicrous, like asking for a totally different game. Ultimately there are always going to be people who want manshep in a wig and others who want a fairy princess, let's deal with that and move on.

Modifié par Comsky159, 13 juin 2011 - 12:53 .

[tmp7704]

Tchones13 wrote...

Perhaps. But I believe still wouldn't look like one of those "Freaky Friday" movies where it's a man trapped in a woman's body or something similar. What's the point of having a female Shepards, then?

I'd imagine the point of having female Shepards is so then the players can play and save the galaxy as one. Same point like having the male Shepard. Or a redhead Shepard of either gender.

Also, i never got impression of Shepard being "man trapped in female body". She never locked herself up for a week in her cabin on me to play with her own breasts, for example.

I'm only pointing out one or two of the most outrageous-looking situations/scenes here: i.e, a woman in a short dress that sits that way is not just "above gender segregation", for example.

How it isn't "above gender segregations"? She may really not care whether someone can see between her legs. It's not exactly something that doesn't happen in our own time, never mind couple hundred years down the road.

Modifié par tmp7704, 13 juin 2011 - 12:47 .

[CrimsonNephilim]

Anyone else get the feeling this thread might get locked with the direction its going in?

[D.Kain]

Clonedzero wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

i find it hilarious people are AGAINST giving femshep her own animations...

Because its still same person, only without balls.

there are fundemental differences between men and women besides their genitals. i dont know how anyone could deny that.

not to mention, if the first two games are any indication, girls still act like girls and guys still act like guys.
which makes sense, the sexes mature at different rates. they have different horomone levels, they have different body times. society and culture in general looks at them differently.

femshep is what you'd call a "tomboy". is it wrong? no. it just comes accross as really awkward and goofy to alot of people.

and i completely understand that people want their badass female character to actually feel and behave like a badass female character rather than a reskinned male character.

theres nothing wrong with people wanting their female character to be more feminine. theres nothing that says a feminine person can't be a badass.

the whole gender neutral, politically correctness is disgusting and takes away unique traits from everyone.

There are no unique traits, its epic nurture, just look at transsexual people. Science says inborn difference is 11% 
thats like 1/10. So for example if trained equally. 11 boys will be best in sports, 11 girls worse and 89 boys/girls 
SAME. this goes for all characteristics.

Feminine/Military IS goofy. 

I dont know why people are trying so hard to make difference between sexes, its silly.

[Xeranx]

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

Anyone else get the feeling this thread might get locked with the direction its going in?

I hope it won't.  For a bit it looked like it would.  I didn't make the thread so people could be antagnostic towards each other.  I made it to ask for something I found great in the previous game that I think was lost in the second and see people's thoughts.  There are people who don't agree with me, and some who do and possibly not for all the things I mentioned either.  

Just need people to avoiid taking bits from a statement rather than the statement as a whole and running away with it.

[EsterCloat]

Clonedzero wrote...

i find it hilarious people are AGAINST giving femshep her own animations...

I don't think its that people are against her own animations, though of course there are a few, but that they don't care either way. They've never seen it as a problem before and so never really cared. That's it really. If they decide to do her own anims in ME3, sure, that's cool.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 13 juin 2011 - 12:55 .

[Xeranx]

Nyoka wrote...

Please count in another female gamer who's totally okay with Femshep being the way she is now. Not only that, I actually think she's the best woman ever made in a videogame. Not perfect yet though, there are clipping issues related to animations that need fixing. Otherwise, Bioware deserves praise for this achievement.

Now, to kinda balance this post out, what this thread really needs is yet another male gamer asserting that Femshep is not 'feminine' enough for him. Of course, he will be the only one naturally entitled to establish what counts as feminine and what doesn't.

Why does it seem like you're taking my op out of context or attributing something to it that isn't there?

Didn't notice your edit there and now it looks like you're trying to start something...again based on something that's not there.  What is my general post saying and what are you taking from it instead?

Modifié par Xeranx, 13 juin 2011 - 12:58 .

[D.Kain]

Tchones13 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

i find it hilarious people are AGAINST giving femshep her own animations...

Because its still same person, only without balls.

there are fundemental differences between men and women besides their genitals. i dont know how anyone could deny that.

not to mention, if the first two games are any indication, girls still act like girls and guys still act like guys.
which makes sense, the sexes mature at different rates. they have different horomone levels, they have different body times. society and culture in general looks at them differently.

femshep is what you'd call a "tomboy". is it wrong? no. it just comes accross as really awkward and goofy to alot of people.

and i completely understand that people want their badass female character to actually feel and behave like a badass female character rather than a reskinned male character.

theres nothing wrong with people wanting their female character to be more feminine. theres nothing that says a feminine person can't be a badass.

the whole gender neutral, politically correctness is disgusting and takes away unique traits from everyone.

^THIS.
Does anyone disagree that Aria is badass? Maybe even more than Shepard, she wants/needs to be perceived as one. Well, yet she still crosses her legs when she sits.

And that's the thing, what I meant by acting/behaving like a man in order to be seen as a strong woman, it's just ridiculous...

I can see Aria crossing legs if she was a male too, its her character.

[Clonedzero]

D.Kain wrote...

There are no unique traits, its epic nurture, just look at transsexual people. Science says inborn difference is 11% 
thats like 1/10. So for example if trained equally. 11 boys will be best in sports, 11 girls worse and 89 boys/girls 
SAME. this goes for all characteristics.

Feminine/Military IS goofy. 

I dont know why people are trying so hard to make difference between sexes, its silly.

its not a matter of femshep being a good soldier and all badass. no one is arguing that.

they simply want her to behave more feminine. to actually have female energy. femshep doesnt feel female to me at all aside from how she looks and sounds, everything else about seems off.

its not because she's a badass military female either. because ashley pulls off the badass female military person absolutely brilliantly. she's tough and strong while still feeling feminine.

for the difference between maleshep and femshep to be believable it should be a bit more than a model swap thats all.  no ones saying femshep isnt capable of being a complete badass or being good at her job.

[CrimsonNephilim]

I think the topic is getting a bit over analyzed.

I think what a lot of people are asking for is some tweaking just to how female Shepard moves in the game. Maybe they would like to see her animations as something similar to Aria.

Aria is a bad-ass, and for argument sake, is a "woman". The way her animations work would probably make more sense to people who are favoring different animations for FemShep. Maybe a happy meeting even of Femshep's animations in ME2 with a bit of Aria's thrown in.

Modifié par CrimsonNephilim, 13 juin 2011 - 01:01 .

[tmp7704]

Tchones13 wrote...

Does anyone disagree that Aria is badass? Maybe even more than Shepard, she wants/needs to be perceived as one. Well, yet she still crosses her legs when she sits.

Why would Shepard need to act like Aria, though? They are two different people. Different species, even. Asari don't have males in their society to begin with, so the whole gender-separated behaviour goes out of window for them.

Aria sits with her legs crossed because she likes to. Shepard sits different because that's what she likes. Why is it a problem?

[CajNatalie]

Clipping and animation issues is all I've noticed that really needs attention at all.

The upping in 'attempting to be badass' is applied to both male and female Shepards.
They both have the same lines, same interrupts, same charm/intimidate, for 99% of the game.
It was overdone just a bit... but you don't notice it as much with Meer because he deadpans his voice a lot (some say he just doesn't seem to put any feeling in to his lines)... while Hale became like the female counterpart of Clint Eastwood (some say she's overdoing it) so it's far more noticeable with her.
But hey, considering Shep just died and was resurrected by a terrorist splinter group and is pretty much thrown responsibility for the entire galaxy, such direction in character seems plausible to me.

[Clonedzero]

[quote]D.Kain wrote...

^THIS.
Does anyone disagree that Aria is badass? Maybe even more than Shepard, she wants/needs to be perceived as one. Well, yet she still crosses her legs when she sits.

And that's the thing, what I meant by acting/behaving like a man in order to be seen as a strong woman, it's just ridiculous...[/quote]

I can see Aria crossing legs if she was a male too, its her character.

[/quote]i can't. crossing your legs as a man is uncomfortable due to the dangly bits in the way...

[bleetman]

I regularly sit with my legs crossed, myself. I'm doing it right now, in fact. I'm such a lousy man.

Modifié par bleetman, 13 juin 2011 - 01:01 .

[RPGamer13]

About the only problem I had with Miss Shepard in Mass Effect 2 were the animations.

It reminded me of Saints Row 2 where it was obvious all they did was put the female character model in place of the male version, leaving the animations the same.

As for the sitting animations, don't think they should have had her cross her legs, but she certainly didn't have to spread her legs out as far as the animations had her doing.  I also didn't really notice it though until I could put Shepard in the dress from Kasumi's mission.

Modifié par RPGamer13, 13 juin 2011 - 01:03 .

[Comsky159]

Pretty fruitless topic really. Bioware's done a good job finding central, gender neutral ground for femshep, so that they don't anger the ancient feminists of medieval times or (to quote an above post) the "angry lesbian truckers".

Who knows what women want anyway, even women seem to be clueless here.

Modifié par Comsky159, 13 juin 2011 - 01:04 .