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[D.Kain]

[quote]Clonedzero wrote...

[quote]D.Kain wrote...

^THIS.
Does anyone disagree that Aria is badass? Maybe even more than Shepard, she wants/needs to be perceived as one. Well, yet she still crosses her legs when she sits.

And that's the thing, what I meant by acting/behaving like a man in order to be seen as a strong woman, it's just ridiculous...[/quote]

I can see Aria crossing legs if she was a male too, its her character.

[/quote]i can't. crossing your legs as a man is uncomfortable due to the dangly bits in the way...
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Im a man, sitting with crossed legs right now, pretty comfortable and I dont lack anything.

Modifié par D.Kain, 13 juin 2011 - 01:04 .

[KBomb]

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

I think the topic is getting a bit over analyzed.

I think what a lot of people are asking for is some tweaking just to how female Shepard moves in the game. Maybe they would like to see her animations as something similar to Aria.

Aria is a bad-ass, and for argument sake, is a "woman". The way her animations work would probably make more sense to people who are favoring different animations for FemShep. Maybe a happy meeting even of Femshep's animations in ME2 with a bit of Aria's thrown in.

That is exactly what I was saying.

[tmp7704]

Clonedzero wrote...

i can't. crossing your legs as a man is uncomfortable due to the dangly bits in the way...

edit: It's frequently a gesture of being in control. That's why Aria uses is, probably. Not because she's a female.

Modifié par tmp7704, 13 juin 2011 - 01:06 .

[D.Kain]

tmp7704 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

i can't. crossing your legs as a man is uncomfortable due to the dangly bits in the way...

[Clonedzero]

tmp7704 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

i can't. crossing your legs as a man is uncomfortable due to the dangly bits in the way...

that leg cross is alot looser than arias

so yes, theres a difference between men crossing their legs and women. its subtle but theres a phyiscal difference.

why are people against having seperate motion capture for male and female shepards? i dont want femshep to walk like a dude. i dont want her to sit like a dude. yes, its possible for a female to do those things but its not believable, it doesnt come across as "this is just how femshep is" it comes across as "we're too lazy to make female animations".

[Captain Crash]

I like the fact that Shepard is gender neutral, but clearly something like sexual dimorphism is obvious. It goes beyond simply the open legged dress. Femshep needs unique animations in some settings. Or at least polish over using the same rig maleshep uses. The fact this topic is ongoing being discussed in two threads at the moment shows that it is a noticeable issue.


We dont want girly or overly feminine. However there are some distinctions between male and female that are too obvious to get around the with the"neutrality" reasoning.


In fact doesnt this go against gender neutrality as femshep is more prone to clipping issues in ME2 and shows Bioware does indeed intend to work on maleshep more? How is that neutral if its already one sided? Plus the fact their body types are totally different. I find people are keen to make excuses and describe femshep animations a "neutral" but its not if she has clipping and has bugged issues that maleshep doesnt. At the very least these issues need to be polished for her in ME3.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 13 juin 2011 - 01:11 .

[CrimsonNephilim]

[quote]Tchones13 wrote...

[quote]Xeranx wrote...

[quote]CrimsonNephilim wrote...

Just need people to avoiid taking bits from a statement rather than the statement as a whole and running away with it.

[/quote]
I'm sensing a pattern here, too.
They get what you are trying to say, may or may not agree with it and it's within their right and may even have a very valid point to make, but instead they'd rather pick a little you said and take it out of context just for the sake of (silly) argument. Not very productive. So, I'm out.[/quote]

Wait, when did i say that?

[CrimsonNephilim]

Lol XD no prob

[Darkhour]

Clonedzero wrote...

when i saw the vid of femshep in LotSB rushing the shadowbroker and slamming the shield i laughed at how silly it looked.

shoulda had a more believable scene/animation for femshep than brute forcing it like maleshep.

i agree with you, having her be super butch and do all the same actions as maleshep comes across as awkward and goofy.

Shepard is a guy, not a woman. "Femshep" is Bioware giving female players or males with gender identity issues the ability to play as a female.  Basically, she is the real Shepard (male) with a female skin and voice. 

There is no animation that will make "femshep" look less awkard as she will always be a woman pretending to be a soldier. What do you expect? That she should tiptoe around in heels and flail her arms about as she runs? Wear a pink bow instead of heavy armor and carry a feather duster instead of large weapons? It's bad enough that she wears makeup and looks like and 110 pound Suzie Homemaker.
 

Modifié par Darkhour, 13 juin 2011 - 01:17 .

[Comsky159]

Captain Crash wrote...

I like the fact that Shepard is gender neutral, but clearly something like sexual dimorphism is obvious. It goes beyond simply the open legged dress. Femshep needs unique animations in some settings. Or at least polish over using the same rig maleshep uses. The fact this topic is ongoing being discussed in two threads at the moment shows that it is a noticeable issue.


We dont want girly or overly feminine. However there are some distinctions between male and female that are too obvious to get around the with the"neutrality" reasoning.


In fact doesnt this go against gender neutrality as femshep is more prone to clipping issues in ME2 and shows Bioware does indeed intend to work on maleshep more? How is that neutral if its already one sided? Plus the fact their body types are totally different. I find people are keen to make excuses and describe femshep animations a "neutral" but its not if she has clipping and has bugged issues that maleshep doesnt. At the very least these issues need to be polished for her in ME3.

Nonsense. Obviously you don't have any appreciation of how much hard work goes in to establish the dynamics of one model of movement. Changing the movements of femshep in the way you desire is not as simple as just "tweaking" the current system, we're talking about an intrinsic overhaul. It seems a little ridiculous to ask Bioware to create different movement systems for most alien species AND female humans. We'd be waiting another 6 months!

[tmp7704]

Clonedzero wrote...

that leg cross is alot looser than arias

Honestly, no. Don't make me play with the gamma controls just to prove the point, but there's nothing loose about the way TIM sits, nor it's any different from Aria's way.

why are people against having seperate motion capture for male and female shepards?

I don't think that's what people are against. What they're against is pandering to gender stereotypes, killing in the process a character which succesfully buckles against this trend.

The way it is, Shepard is unique character as far as games go. It'd be nice if she could stay herself.

[Comsky159]

tmp7704 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

that leg cross is alot looser than arias

Honestly, no. Don't make me play with the gamma controls just to prove the point, but there's nothing loose about the way TIM sits, nor it's any different from Aria's way.

why are people against having seperate motion capture for male and female shepards?

I don't think that's what people are against. What they're against is pandering to gender stereotypes, killing in the process a character which succesfully buckles against this trend.

The way it is, Shepard is unique character as far as games go. It'd be nice if she could stay herself.

Very well said. Agree in entirety.

[KainrycKarr]

TheDarkRats wrote...

I have no problem with the reasons you mentioned, and I play female Shepard. Who said cracking your knuckles is a manly trait? I don't see it done onto one gender more than another. Also, in my opinion, it isn't supposed to be taken in a symbolistic way, but more of a threat. From what she's been through, of course she's going to have habits that act toward a more "butched" direction. I don't personally see any indication, in Mass Effect 2, that she's trying to "act tough" or act masculine. Maybe i'm blind, but that's just how I see into this matter.

...Have you heard Hale's Femshep voice?

The only way femshep could sound more gruff and masculine is if Ron Perlman was the VA.

[Clonedzero]

Captain Crash wrote...

I like the fact that Shepard is gender neutral, but clearly something like sexual dimorphism is obvious. It goes beyond simply the open legged dress. Femshep needs unique animations in some settings. Or at least polish over using the same rig maleshep uses. The fact this topic is ongoing being discussed in two threads at the moment shows that it is a noticeable issue.


We dont want girly or overly feminine. However there are some distinctions between male and female that are too obvious to get around the with the"neutrality" reasoning.


In fact doesnt this go against gender neutrality as femshep is more prone to clipping issues in ME2 and shows Bioware does indeed intend to work on maleshep more? How is that neutral if its already one sided? Plus the fact their body types are totally different. I find people are keen to make excuses and describe femshep animations a "neutral" but its not if she has clipping and has bugged issues that maleshep doesnt. At the very least these issues need to be polished for her in ME3.

thats because its not gender neutral. femshep is just using male motion capture animations. hence the clipping issues.

you can't have gender neutral motion capture because gender neutral isnt real. theres going to be a male or female in the mocap suit for the animations. the default for shepard is male so they've stuck with that so far. having motion capture for both male and female shepards and having them use motion capture done by a male and a female would not only solve the issues but make the preformances more believable.

doesnt even have to be entirely different in how the do an animation, the subtle differences between having a male and female would make every animation look better and more realistic. i honestly dont know why anyone would be against this. i play male shep so i dont have any animation issues. a big reason why i dont play femshep is because of her off looking animations that are obviously done by a male. its immersion breaking for me.

just have a male and a female do the same things in motion capture suits. it'd look 100 times better.

but i guess people hate this because it acknowledges that males and females are different? i dunno. this whole thing is silly.

[KainrycKarr]

Comsky159 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

that leg cross is alot looser than arias

Honestly, no. Don't make me play with the gamma controls just to prove the point, but there's nothing loose about the way TIM sits, nor it's any different from Aria's way.

why are people against having seperate motion capture for male and female shepards?

I don't think that's what people are against. What they're against is pandering to gender stereotypes, killing in the process a character which succesfully buckles against this trend.

The way it is, Shepard is unique character as far as games go. It'd be nice if she could stay herself.

Very well said. Agree in entirety.

There's a difference between breaking stereotypes and trying to sound like a man.

I've never met a military woman who talks as low and gruff as Hale does in her role as femshep.

[CajNatalie]

Clonedzero wrote...

thats because its not gender neutral. femshep is just using male motion capture animations. hence the clipping issues.

you can't have gender neutral motion capture because gender neutral isnt real. theres going to be a male or female in the mocap suit for the animations. the default for shepard is male so they've stuck with that so far. having motion capture for both male and female shepards and having them use motion capture done by a male and a female would not only solve the issues but make the preformances more believable.

doesnt even have to be entirely different in how the do an animation, the subtle differences between having a male and female would make every animation look better and more realistic. i honestly dont know why anyone would be against this. i play male shep so i dont have any animation issues. a big reason why i dont play femshep is because of her off looking animations that are obviously done by a male. its immersion breaking for me.

just have a male and a female do the same things in motion capture suits. it'd look 100 times better.

but i guess people hate this because it acknowledges that males and females are different? i dunno. this whole thing is silly.

^This

[D.Kain]

Clonedzero wrote...


why are people against having seperate motion capture for male and female shepards? i dont want femshep to walk like a dude. i dont want her to sit like a dude. yes, its possible for a female to do those things but its not believable, it doesnt come across as "this is just how femshep is" it comes across as "we're too lazy to make female animations".

Think about this for a second: The only way to walk like a dude is to walk with a penis. No other way! 

[KBomb]

Clonedzero wrote...

thats because its not gender neutral. femshep is just using male motion capture animations. hence the clipping issues.

you can't have gender neutral motion capture because gender neutral isnt real. theres going to be a male or female in the mocap suit for the animations. the default for shepard is male so they've stuck with that so far. having motion capture for both male and female shepards and having them use motion capture done by a male and a female would not only solve the issues but make the preformances more believable.

doesnt even have to be entirely different in how the do an animation, the subtle differences between having a male and female would make every animation look better and more realistic. i honestly dont know why anyone would be against this. i play male shep so i dont have any animation issues. a big reason why i dont play femshep is because of her off looking animations that are obviously done by a male. its immersion breaking for me.

just have a male and a female do the same things in motion capture suits. it'd look 100 times better.

but i guess people hate this because it acknowledges that males and females are different? i dunno. this whole thing is silly.

^ Yep

[CrimsonNephilim]

I'd say someone should go to Casey Hudson's twitter or a Devs twitter and post asking if the Motion Capture for male and female Shepard is going to change for ME3. Probably the likeliest way of getting this whole thing figured out.

Modifié par CrimsonNephilim, 13 juin 2011 - 01:28 .

[Clonedzero]

D.Kain wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...


why are people against having seperate motion capture for male and female shepards? i dont want femshep to walk like a dude. i dont want her to sit like a dude. yes, its possible for a female to do those things but its not believable, it doesnt come across as "this is just how femshep is" it comes across as "we're too lazy to make female animations".

Think about this for a second: The only way to walk like a dude is to walk with a penis. No other way! 

so you're saying femshep has.....oh god!!!!!!

[D.Kain]

KainrycKarr wrote...

There's a difference between breaking stereotypes and trying to sound like a man.

I've never met a military woman who talks as low and gruff as Hale does in her role as femshep.

You cant sound like a man unless you have adams apple.

[onelifecrisis]

D.Kain wrote...

The only way to walk like a dude is to walk with a penis. No other way! 

That's so incorrect it's not even funny. Learn some basic biology. Start here:

http://en.wikipedia....xual_dimorphism

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 13 juin 2011 - 01:29 .