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[nitrog100]

 Most of the Reapers are supposedly smaller than Sovereign, who was 2k long. Not only that, but they've been traveling for 3 years. There must have been some reason for them to wait to use the Citadel relay instead of just flying. Maybe they have less power than a ship like Sovereign that has access to power supplies inside of the galaxy instead of outside. Any ideas?

[SaY4cT]

There will be smaller versions of them if I remember correctly
and they will be considerably weaker

[WizenSlinky0]

They use the citadel relay in order to gain a surprise attack. The citadel is designed to so well suit the needs of those who reach it that it eventually becomes the seat of galactic information and leadership.

So when they appear outside the window, the galaxies leaders are dead in one swoop, and all the worlds information at their finger tips. Garrisons, hidden bases, census data, etc.

But yeah supposed to have different sized reapers.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 13 juin 2011 - 12:44 .

[Tessir Kaerak]

It makes sense that the one ship designated to stay behind (Sovereign) would be a more independently designed reaper. Kinda like how Legion is special among the Geth.
So yeah maybe your standard reaper isn't as overwhelmingly awesome as Sovereign.

[Someone With Mass]

I think that's one among many reasons why it took that Reaper two shoots to shoot down the Alliance ship.

[RPGamer13]

Sovereign was probably a scout and/or supposed to make sure when his brethren came in through the giant mass relay that is the citadel, that those alive on our end didn't have the means to successfully resist them.

[DarthSlim108]

I'm sure there will be some smaller, weaker ones (the one in the turret shooting demo didn't seem too massive), but Harbinger and maybe several others could be Sovereign's size or bigger.

[sympathy4saren]

It'll be interesting to see.

Harbinger will likely be more powerful than Sovereign. I expect to at some point see Harbinger wipe out one of our most powerful ships like its a gnat.

[Paulinius]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I think that's one among many reasons why it took that Reaper two shoots to shoot down the Alliance ship.

It took three shots. An advancement in Alliance shield and armor technology might account for that or the reduced speed of the projectile from the Reaper's gun since it's firing it in Earth's atmosphere instead of the vaccum of space.

But if it's a smaller Reaper than Sovereign, it would be logically to assume that it's weapons aren't as powerful due to be smaller to fit into the ship or due to a smaller element zero core, hence less power for the weapons.

[Aloren]

It's true that Sovereign was the John Rambo of the reapers fleet. But that doesn't mean we won't have to face Chuck Norris.

Modifié par Aloren, 13 juin 2011 - 01:01 .

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Sovereign wasn't the only 2KM long reaper. The derelict reaper is also 2KM long. I also wouldn't say Sovereign was the strongest but who knows really. Presumably, every 2KM reaper is near equal in strength whereas the 600m long ones are obviously weaker.

I'd imagine Harbinger is also 2KM long and equally as powerful as Sovereign, if not more.

[marshalleck]

With a name like "Harbinger" it's not going to be a tiny ship, even if it does trash talk a lot, seemingly to compensate for certain shortcomings. Anyways I expect most Reapers are going to be the 2km variants, while the smaller ships will be a minority built only as needed for specific tasks the larger ships are unsuited for.

Modifié par marshalleck, 13 juin 2011 - 01:22 .

[Keizor]

If what EDI hypothesized is correct, each reaper is constructed from a different species. If that's the case, it would make since that the reapers would come in different varieties, maybe even with different abilities (strengths/weaknesses). I believe we know that husks will come in different varieties, but that may just be the reapers being practical.

[marshalleck]

Keizor wrote...

If what EDI hypothesized is correct, each reaper is constructed from a different species. If that's the case, it would make since that the reapers would come in different varieties, maybe even with different abilities (strengths/weaknesses). I believe we know that husks will come in different varieties, but that may just be the reapers being practical.

Mac Walters confirmed somewhere (was it twitter? I forget...) that whatever it is the Reapers turn organics into, that thing goes into a shell, which could be one of the 2km long dreadnoughts. So I don't think the size of the mobile platform, be it a terrestrial spider-like thing we saw in the demo, or a cruiser, or a dreadnought is dependent upon the species used to make the 'core' (for lack of a better word)

Modifié par marshalleck, 13 juin 2011 - 01:31 .

[Keizor]

marshalleck wrote...

Keizor wrote...

If what EDI hypothesized is correct, each reaper is constructed from a different species. If that's the case, it would make since that the reapers would come in different varieties, maybe even with different abilities (strengths/weaknesses). I believe we know that husks will come in different varieties, but that may just be the reapers being practical.

Mac Walters confirmed somewhere (was it twitter? I forget...) that whatever it is the Reapers turn organics into, that thing goes into a shell, which could be one of the 2km long dreadnoughts. So I don't think the size of the mobile platform, be it a terrestrial spider-like thing we saw in the demo, or a cruiser, or a dreadnought is dependent upon the species used to make the 'core' (for lack of a better word)

Ah, so whatever is inside them, they all more or less get the same "shell."

[Fleetleader101]

From the demo they all look just like Sovereign. With minor variations, but their size seems about uniform.

The diversity is based on their cores being made of different species, but I would guess that when Sovereign attacked he was at full power, all of these units will be at least somewhat fatigued by the time a major counterattack takes place, but one fleet per reaper is bad odds. I have no clue how to win against that right now. Thiax Cannons may help, but we need more than that.

[crimzontearz]

the "spider reaper" looks smaller and weaker. I would not be surprised if there were several sizes of reapers

[DoNotIngest]

As far as looks and armour goes, you just have to watch the scene at the end of ME2 to see that there's a Reaper that looks like a giant tick with two crab-like claws protruding from the front, and another very odd looking one that looks something like a coccoon with wings. Maybe these are special Reapers, like Harbinger with his four, glowing yellow (not red) eyes, and the more standard Reapers get the squid/cuttlefish look?

I'd also imagine Harbinger to be at least slightly stronger than Sovereign, with Sovereign being one of the stronger 2KM Reapers. There's obviously going to be tougher ones, as they wouldn't have us kill the biggest and baddest in ME1. The 1/2KM ships are going to be weaker, obviously, and strength will roughly coalesce with size, I'd think.

[nitrog100]

DoNotIngest wrote...

As far as looks and armour goes, you just have to watch the scene at the end of ME2 to see that there's a Reaper that looks like a giant tick with two crab-like claws protruding from the front, and another very odd looking one that looks something like a coccoon with wings. Maybe these are special Reapers, like Harbinger with his four, glowing yellow (not red) eyes, and the more standard Reapers get the squid/cuttlefish look?

I'd also imagine Harbinger to be at least slightly stronger than Sovereign, with Sovereign being one of the stronger 2KM Reapers. There's obviously going to be tougher ones, as they wouldn't have us kill the biggest and baddest in ME1. The 1/2KM ships are going to be weaker, obviously, and strength will roughly coalesce with size, I'd think.

Personally, I don't think Harbinger is going to be more powerful. Harbinger seems more like a leader figure than a powerful warship. It was controlling the Collectors from really far away, which seems like something you would specialize in. Sovereign was an extremely powerful ship that was meant to be able to survive living in the galaxy for thousands of years and keeping an eye on things instead of staying switched off for 50,000 years. That would necessitate super powerful weapons and shields to take on the galaxy if things go sour.

[RAF1940]

I would say so. After all, Sovereign was the only Reaper present in the galaxy. You don't think they'd leave a wimp do you?

[crimzontearz]

RAF1940 wrote...

I would say so. After all, Sovereign was the only Reaper present in the galaxy. You don't think they'd leave a wimp do you?

follows reason that if you have to leave someone behind who might have to fend off all by himself he should be a pretty tough individual

[marshalleck]

crimzontearz wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

I would say so. After all, Sovereign was the only Reaper present in the galaxy. You don't think they'd leave a wimp do you?

follows reason that if you have to leave someone behind who might have to fend off all by himself he should be a pretty tough individual

True, but it doesn't follow that Sovereign is the biggest and baddest. Why not build all your dreadnoughts to its spec? After they wipe out a civilization, they've got centuries to hang out rebuilding, no rush. 

[crimzontearz]

marshalleck wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

I would say so. After all, Sovereign was the only Reaper present in the galaxy. You don't think they'd leave a wimp do you?

follows reason that if you have to leave someone behind who might have to fend off all by himself he should be a pretty tough individual

True, but it doesn't follow that Sovereign is the biggest and baddest. Why not build all your dreadnoughts to its spec? After they wipe out a civilization, they've got centuries to hang out rebuilding, no rush. 

you do not know "how" reapers are built. Or better yet, you do...but you do not know how the integration of harvesting an entire race to build one influences the outcome. Thus you do not know if and how feasable it is for a reaper to be built a certain way or even if the race used to create a reaper has an effect on how efficient the reaper is regardless of one's desire to build it a certain way

also is Legion is to be believed Reapers work similarly to the Geth and are "each a nation" thus independent and reaching their own conclusions. Now imagine creating 2 reapers, one from the Krogan and one from the Salarians....do you think the millions of programs in the Krogan Reaper would agree to a design (both technical and visual) even remotely similar to the Salarians' given what we know of the 2 species?

[Garrison2009]

This entire thread points out the number one thing I love so much about the reapers: We know hardly anything about them. Literally, what do we know?

A) They destroy all Organic life every 50,000 years. Why? We dont know...

They 'harvest' certain species and create new Reapers out of their genetic material. Why? We THINK it's their form of reproduction (Of sorts...).

C) They're extremely resilient to damage and their weapons pack one heck of a punch. Took both the Citadel and Alliance fleets to destroy Sovereign and both suffered pretty heavy losses.

And that's pretty much it. The thing that makes the Reapers so fascinating is how much we DONT know about them. And really, what is there to know? They're coming and they're going to wipe us all out. Why they're doing it really isnt important. Bioware really knows how to make an intriguing bad guy that's for sure.

[crimzontearz]

Garrison2009 wrote...

This entire thread points out the number one thing I love so much about the reapers: We know hardly anything about them. Literally, what do we know?

A) They destroy all Organic life every 50,000 years. Why? We dont know...

They 'harvest' certain species and create new Reapers out of their genetic material. Why? We THINK it's their form of reproduction (Of sorts...).

C) They're extremely resilient to damage and their weapons pack one heck of a punch. Took both the Citadel and Alliance fleets to destroy Sovereign and both suffered pretty heavy losses.

And that's pretty much it. The thing that makes the Reapers so fascinating is how much we DONT know about them. And really, what is there to know? They're coming and they're going to wipe us all out. Why they're doing it really isnt important. Bioware really knows how to make an intriguing bad guy that's for sure.

we know they created the mass relays

we know they are ghestalt intellects

we know each reaper is not dependent on the others

we know they can indocrinate organics even if they are practically disabled

we know they make heavy use of nanotechnology

we know that for some reasons they could not use the Protheans to reproduce

we know that in their vision they are not destroying us but "saving" us