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[TJPags]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Would you have still warned the clan after Merrill told you repeatedly the shard was safe and cleansed? Because that's what she did.

Yes I would have, because Merrill would be like a daughter to me, the Keeper is flawed, she put Merrill above her duties, but Merrill is also not blameless. She listend to a demon and decided the shard was worth the risk. The whole story is about two people who have alot of pride, put that with love and two stuborn people and you have confrontation, anger, sadness and a tragic ending.

I think both are at fault, both made mistakes and both can be blamed, in the end the people that suffer is the clan.

I'm unsure of whether I should say she's blameless or not. But...

First off, she's following the rules of a Keeper more than Marethari is. It's a Keeper's place to find out anything and everything about the ancient elves.

At any cost?  I'd say no to that, personally.

[TEWR]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Marcy3655 wrote...


Agreed, however when we first meet her she is doing something secretive with magic and if asked what she was doing she is evasive and will not say...    

You're reading too much in to that.  She was just communicating with the demon to let her pass so they could free Flemeth.

You have to remember . . . when you first meet her she thinks all this demonology is safe.  In the Deep Roads when you meet the Hunger Rock Wraith she naively says, "It's safe.  We can use it if we are careful."

She says that because if you do act carefully you can use a demon to your advantage with no repercussions. Hawke can do the same thing with Torpor. He says he'll let him possess Feynriel and gets valuable information on the other two demons. Doesn't mean he actually will follow through with it.

The Warden can do the same thing with Kitty. By saying you'll help her, she tells you about the puzzle. Likewise there's Sophia Dryden.

If you're careful demons can be used to your advantage. They are not all-powerful beings who can sway your actions all the time.

[LobselVith8]

Marcy3655 wrote...

Agreed, however when we first meet her she is doing something secretive with magic and if asked what she was doing she is evasive and will not say...     That is what bothers me but it could be just my own paranoia....   lol

Hawke is human, so why is Merrill going to trust him? The humans and the Dalish don't have the best history given the destruction of Arlathan, the slavery of the elves, the fall of the Dales, and the templars hunting down Dalish clans that have forced them to be nomadic since the loss of their homeland.

Marcy3655 wrote...

I adore her and will cry if she turns on me and I have to cut her down....    If that happens I fear I will put the game down and it'll be awhile before I can pick it up again... 

A pro-templar Hawke can kill Merrill if you don't have a high friendship or rivalry with her, and side with Meredith and the Right of Annulment. Merrill decides to protect the mages, even if it means her life.

Marcy3655 wrote...   

I cried when Bethany dies in the deep roads (I have a very difficult time making her a grey warden, after having done so once and recieved that horrible letter from her...) and would rather she be free even if dead and still cry everytime it happens...  I feel so sorry for Hawke, losing his/her brother, then sister, and finally mom who was deeply hurt by the events leading up to Hawke becoming champion of Kirkwall anyway...    in the end, Hawke is all alone...    

Bethany is angry with Hawke even as a Circle mage at the end of Act II, but she comes to term with being a Warden in Act III.

[Marcy3655]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Marcy3655 wrote...


Agreed, however when we first meet her she is doing something secretive with magic and if asked what she was doing she is evasive and will not say...    

You're reading too much in to that.  She was just communicating with the demon to let her pass so they could free Flemeth.

You have to remember . . . when you first meet her she thinks all this demonology is safe.  In the Deep Roads when you meet the Hunger Rock Wraith she naively says, "It's safe.  We can use it if we are careful."

My point is whatever you think she was doing, she only hid it because her clan was giving her a hard time about it.  She never meant harm or treachery.

By the end of the game her lesson is learned, her naivety is gone, and she quits consorting with demons.

She's not coming back evil.

Yes, I see your point and it's a good one...  thank you for pointing that out, there are so many different parts and conversations I forget sometimes some of the other things that happened in the course of the story...   also, I've only ever romanced her in a friendship fashion and never a rival romance, so I'm not familiar with how that plays out...

M

Modifié par Marcy3655, 13 juin 2011 - 04:36 .

[TEWR]

TJPags wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Would you have still warned the clan after Merrill told you repeatedly the shard was safe and cleansed? Because that's what she did.

Yes I would have, because Merrill would be like a daughter to me, the Keeper is flawed, she put Merrill above her duties, but Merrill is also not blameless. She listend to a demon and decided the shard was worth the risk. The whole story is about two people who have alot of pride, put that with love and two stuborn people and you have confrontation, anger, sadness and a tragic ending.

I think both are at fault, both made mistakes and both can be blamed, in the end the people that suffer is the clan.

I'm unsure of whether I should say she's blameless or not. But...

First off, she's following the rules of a Keeper more than Marethari is. It's a Keeper's place to find out anything and everything about the ancient elves.

At any cost?  I'd say no to that, personally.

Well Merrill did know the same magic Marethari knew that suppressed the taint in Mahariel, so I'm sure she placed it in a box and cast a protective ward over it until it was cleansed.

Once it was cleansed, there was no reason for the clan to not help her. What happened in the past wouldn't happen again in the future.

[jlb524]

TJPags wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Would you have still warned the clan after Merrill told you repeatedly the shard was safe and cleansed? Because that's what she did.

Yes I would have, because Merrill would be like a daughter to me, the Keeper is flawed, she put Merrill above her duties, but Merrill is also not blameless. She listend to a demon and decided the shard was worth the risk. The whole story is about two people who have alot of pride, put that with love and two stuborn people and you have confrontation, anger, sadness and a tragic ending.

I think both are at fault, both made mistakes and both can be blamed, in the end the people that suffer is the clan.

I'm unsure of whether I should say she's blameless or not. But...

First off, she's following the rules of a Keeper more than Marethari is. It's a Keeper's place to find out anything and everything about the ancient elves.

At any cost?  I'd say no to that, personally.

I assume that would depend on the Keeper.  I can understand an individual Keeper/First willing to give a lot to restore one artifact, given how rare it is to find one and the general feelings of desperation in the overall elven condition in Thedas.

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Well Merrill did know the same magic Marethari knew that suppressed the taint in Mahariel, so I'm sure she placed it in a box and cast a protective ward over it until it was cleansed.

Once it was cleansed, there was no reason for the clan to not help her. What happened in the past wouldn't happen again in the future.

The fact that Merrill isn't corrupted like the elves in the ruins were (by the remaining shards of the Eluvian) tells us that Merrill knew how to safeguard against the corruption of the shard (which is no different than how Finn was able to handle the corrupted shard of the Eluvian).

And Marethari's speculation on the issue was why the clan didn't help her, which she makes clear when she says she thinks the ancestors didn't want them to reclaim the technology. Marethari had an opinion on the issue, Merrill had hers, but Marethari endangered everyone with her actions while Merrill risked her own life for the venture in Act III.

Also, good point about the Dalish Warden earlier.

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Well Merrill did know the same magic Marethari knew that suppressed the taint in Mahariel, so I'm sure she placed it in a box and cast a protective ward over it until it was cleansed.

Once it was cleansed, there was no reason for the clan to not help her. What happened in the past wouldn't happen again in the future.

The fact that Merrill isn't corrupted like the elves in the ruins were (by the remaining shards of the Eluvian) tells us that Merrill knew how to safeguard against the corruption of the shard (which is no different than how Finn was able to handle the corrupted shard of the Eluvian).

And Marethari's speculation on the issue was why the clan didn't help her, which she makes clear when she says she thinks the ancestors didn't want them to reclaim the technology. Marethari had an opinion on the issue, Merrill had hers, but Marethari endangered everyone with her actions while Merrill risked her own life for the venture in Act III.

Also, good point about the Dalish Warden earlier.

Exactly. Merrill's opinion was nowhere near as damnable as Marethari's.

And thank you.

[Mickespel]

As I see it Marethari behave like that pride demon affected her from the get go when they first met it, Why are they staying in that camp on Sundermount? They keep loosing hunters left and right and still they stay there! I can understand that Marethari's are unwilling to move far away from Kirvall but still, there must be some place around with the veil a bit less torn. I can only find one reason, to be there in case Merrill comes along to visit the demon again but the cost are just to great in my opinion, so many dead.

Btw, do anyone know why they lost their Halla? And another thing, Merril mentioned travelling by ship to the free marshes, that mean the clan somehow hired a ship for the transport, fully possible but STILL, Hawke are the first human she met, no humans in the crew? Are there naval based Dalish clans as well?

[LobselVith8]

Mickespel wrote...

As I see it Marethari behave like that pride demon affected her from the get go when they first met it, Why are they staying in that camp on Sundermount?

That's a good question. I'd imagine being so close to where the Veil seems to be torn isn't a good idea.

Mickespel wrote...

They keep loosing hunters left and right and still they stay there! I can understand that Marethari's are unwilling to move far away from Kirkwall but still, there must be some place around with the veil a bit less torn. I can only find one reason, to be there in case Merrill comes along to visit the demon again but the cost are just to great in my opinion, so many dead.

If the Dalish don't try to kill Merrill, one of them mentions that it seems like Keeper Marethari loved Merrill more than her own clan.

Mickespel wrote...

Btw, do anyone know why they lost their Halla?

I got the impression the halla were lost during their voyage to Kirkwall.

Mickespel wrote...

And another thing, Merril mentioned travelling by ship to the free marshes, that mean the clan somehow hired a ship for the transport, fully possible but STILL, Hawke are the first human she met, no humans in the crew? Are there naval based Dalish clans as well?

Technically, Merrill mentions meeting Duncan, but I suppose Hawke was the first human she had a real conversation with.

[Tempest_]

If she does turn, I wouldn't be particularly surprised. Considering how much she went though in that decade she does fit the tragic character rather well.

In fact, I think this might work rather well.

[jlb524]

Quote the Raven wrote...

If she does turn, I wouldn't be particularly surprised. Considering how much she went though in that decade she does fit the tragic character rather well.

In fact, I think this might work rather well.

I think her turning would be a bit of overkill on the whole tragic thing....she's been through enough already.

[TEWR]

Her turning defeats the whole point of her being a good blood mage in DA2. They'd destroy her character and ****** off a lot of people.

[dragonflight288]

....Merrill isn't evil. The only way she could ever be considered evil is if the templars find her and say 'mage'. She is evil because she isn't in the circle. Exactly like a diplomatic Hawke is evil because he/she isn't in the circle. I know that reasoning doesn't hold water, but Merrill can't be evil.

People can believe if the mirror is too dangerous or not, but I don't see how anyone can call her evil.

[Rifneno]

request denied wrote...

I think she is naive and a bit silly but she had the best of intentions when she turned to blood magic .

"It is always with the best intentions that the worst work is done." - Oscar Wilde

Filament wrote...

I don't think so, unless she gets obsessed with an artifact which happens to be evil.

Mr.House wrote...

The GW and the Chantry use blood magic, just putting that out there.

It's clearly worked well for the Chantry. They're not a bunch of genocidal, warmongering, drug-dealing hypocrites, right? Oh wait, that's exactly what they turned into. Nevermind.

Sarielle wrote...

Well, and I'd argue stuff going bad along the demon line isn't even Merrill's bad, it's someone else's stupidity, but that doesn't seem to be a popular opinion.

http://dragonage.wik...i/Night_Terrors

TJPags wrote...

Nobosy can see Merrill snapping a bit?

I can't. It implies there was something there to snap. The girl has been completely unhinged since they found that damn mirror in DAO. She acts like a teenager, insisting she knows better than everyone else when everyone tries to warn her of the dangers that anyone with an ounce of common sense can see. So she can make deals with demons, pretty much an embodiment of evil that is not bound to keep its word. I WOULD say it's so she can continue her obsession with a mirror that she thinks will help her people despite not even having an idea how it'll do that, but that's not true. No, she's all for dealing with demons about everything. Oh, you don't want to make deals with a demon for the soul of a dreamer and in doing so create an abomination of unimaginable power? Well Merrill disapproves!

Just one more barking mad mage in Kirkwall, nothing to see here.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Honestly? Yes I do. Especially given the Night Terrors quest where she vows to be more careful because she's using blood magic.

She is not dumb like people make her out to be. She is probably the 3rd smartest mage we've seen. Flemeth and Morrigan top her in that regard.

She says she will, but there's never any indication she is. As for her being the 3rd smartest mage... I'd even rate her below Jowan. And I'm not sure I'd even classify Jowan as sentient.

[dragonflight288]

*sigh* In Night Terrors, EVERY one of your companions betray except Anders and Justice. You can't judge Merrill for that one. You have to condemn Aveline, Isabella, Fenris, and Varic just as much.

And when she makes deals with demons, in an area where the veil is exceptionally thin, after ten years she avoids becoming an abomination, unlike countless other mages in the same area. She seems to be doing a darn good job defending herself.

Oh yes, everyone was warning her about the mirror which had been corrupted by darkspawn....and it was that corruption that killed two hunters (potentially), not the mirror itself. And since she has it with her for over a decade without becoming corrupted, that is proof that the danger has passed. The elves in the ruins in Witch Hunt were corrupted ghouls, so we know those shards were still corrupted, thus we prove that the mirror wasn't as dangerous as everyone was claiming.

Even if those eluvians are repaired and make a long range communication device, that benefits her people across all of Thedas. If every clan had one, they could keep in touch much faster and easier. Should one clan find any artifacts from Arlathan and the Dales, they can inform the others.

Or did the dalish suddenly receive a new purpose about their past when I wasn't looking?

[EmperorSahlertz]

It sshould be noted that during Night Terrors Merril is the only MAGE who betray you. Mages are suppsoed to know how to handle the fade, at all times. The others can be forgiven since they have no trainning with the Fade, and have never been "consience" within it before. Merrill's failure however, is unforgiveable.

[sphinxess]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

It sshould be noted that during Night Terrors Merril is the only MAGE who betray you. Mages are suppsoed to know how to handle the fade, at all times. The others can be forgiven since they have no trainning with the Fade, and have never been "consience" within it before. Merrill's failure however, is unforgiveable.

The whole quest was written to show the power of a dreamer - nothing more. It's just like the campsite in the forest in DA:O where everyone falls asleep but one member of the party. Trying to dig up more infomation about what happens is giving the writers a lot more credit than they deserve.

[LobselVith8]

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

[quote]request denied wrote...

I think she is naive and a bit silly but she had the best of intentions when she turned to blood magic .[/quote]

"It is always with the best intentions that the worst work is done." - Oscar Wilde [/quote]

Merrill wanted to help her people, which is no different than The Warden wanting to help his people when he ventured into the Frostback Mountains to head to Haven for a mythical Urn of Sacred Ashes that were said to be a legend. Merrill is using lore she gathered and information she extrapolated from the shard, so she's the most informed about the Eluvian throughout the storyline.

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

[quote]request denied wrote...

I don't think so, unless she gets obsessed with an artifact which happens to be evil.[/quote]

 [/quote]

I think the Dragon Age universe has had its fill of macguffins possessing characters.

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

[quote]request denied wrote...

The GW and the Chantry use blood magic, just putting that out there.[/quote]

It's clearly worked well for the Chantry. They're not a bunch of genocidal, warmongering, drug-dealing hypocrites, right? Oh wait, that's exactly what they turned into. Nevermind. [/quote]

Which can't be blamed on the phylacteries but their mentality.

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

[quote]request denied wrote...

Well, and I'd argue stuff going bad along the demon line isn't even Merrill's bad, it's someone else's stupidity, but that doesn't seem to be a popular opinion.[/quote]

http://dragonage.wik...i/Night_Terrors [/quote]

The same quest that railroads every single character to attempt to murder Hawke in cold blood based on less than a minuet of dialogue? It's right up there with the contrived plot of Orsino dealing with Starkhaven's Quentin and becoming a Harvester with a pro-mage Hawke just because.

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

[quote]TJPags wrote...

Nobosy can see Merrill snapping a bit?[/quote]

I can't. It implies there was something there to snap. The girl has been completely unhinged since they found that damn mirror in DAO. She acts like a teenager, insisting she knows better than everyone else when everyone tries to warn her of the dangers that anyone with an ounce of common sense can see. [/quote]

Merrill is the only one who actually studied about the Eluvian. Marethari apparently didn't, and Hawke knows nothing about elven lore. I put more stock in Merrill's proactive nature and her attempt to help the People with the restoration of technology that was important to the kingdom of Arlathan than Hawke's reactive "I'll wear silk robes in front of the fireplace and wait for someone to order me to do something" mentality.

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

So she can make deals with demons, pretty much an embodiment of evil that is not bound to keep its word. I WOULD say it's so she can continue her obsession with a mirror that she thinks will help her people despite not even having an idea how it'll do that, but that's not true. No, she's all for dealing with demons about everything. Oh, you don't want to make deals with a demon for the soul of a dreamer and in doing so create an abomination of unimaginable power? Well Merrill disapproves! [/quote]

Merrill doesn't approval of selling Feynriel's soul, just listen to her dialogue.

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

Just one more barking mad mage in Kirkwall, nothing to see here. [/quote]

Hardly mad. I'd put her intellect in regards to magic well above Hawke's, as even mage Hawke can't tell whether the templar is possessed or what type of Abomination the Profane has become.

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

[quote]The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Honestly? Yes I do. Especially given the Night Terrors quest where she vows to be more careful because she's using blood magic.

She is not dumb like people make her out to be. She is probably the 3rd smartest mage we've seen. Flemeth and Morrigan top her in that regard.[/quote]

She says she will, but there's never any indication she is. As for her being the 3rd smartest mage... I'd even rate her below Jowan. And I'm not sure I'd even classify Jowan as sentient. [/quote]

Merrill is able to tell what type of demon has possessed the Profane, which even Anders isn't that sure about; she uses magic and blood magic proficiently for several years, can tell whether a person is possessed, and is more inclined to safeguard people against any possible dangers when she goes to Sundermount in Act III by bringing Hawke along than her own mentor is when Marethari becomes an abomination and tells no one about it until it's well past the fact.

Poor Jowan, in the shadow of the greatest mage of his generation - the Surana Warden. I felt bad for Jowan and let him go at Redcliffe, and he became Master Levyn.

[EmperorSahlertz]

sphinxess wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

It sshould be noted that during Night Terrors Merril is the only MAGE who betray you. Mages are suppsoed to know how to handle the fade, at all times. The others can be forgiven since they have no trainning with the Fade, and have never been "consience" within it before. Merrill's failure however, is unforgiveable.

The whole quest was written to show the power of a dreamer - nothing more. It's just like the campsite in the forest in DA:O where everyone falls asleep but one member of the party. Trying to dig up more infomation about what happens is giving the writers a lot more credit than they deserve.

You can resist the campsite. Just saying.

[Ryzaki]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

sphinxess wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

It sshould be noted that during Night Terrors Merril is the only MAGE who betray you. Mages are suppsoed to know how to handle the fade, at all times. The others can be forgiven since they have no trainning with the Fade, and have never been "consience" within it before. Merrill's failure however, is unforgiveable.

The whole quest was written to show the power of a dreamer - nothing more. It's just like the campsite in the forest in DA:O where everyone falls asleep but one member of the party. Trying to dig up more infomation about what happens is giving the writers a lot more credit than they deserve.

You can resist the campsite. Just saying.

Yeah if you say "let's just turn around and see what's there." the sloth demon shows up and the illusion disappears. If you go to sleep the character with the highest willpower will remain awake. 

[sphinxess]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

sphinxess wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

It sshould be noted that during Night Terrors Merril is the only MAGE who betray you. Mages are suppsoed to know how to handle the fade, at all times. The others can be forgiven since they have no trainning with the Fade, and have never been "consience" within it before. Merrill's failure however, is unforgiveable.

The whole quest was written to show the power of a dreamer - nothing more. It's just like the campsite in the forest in DA:O where everyone falls asleep but one member of the party. Trying to dig up more infomation about what happens is giving the writers a lot more credit than they deserve.

You can resist the campsite. Just saying.

Really? In my 4 playthroughs Ive always been left with only one person awake... guess I assumed to much. Think I'm just tired of this single quest being used as a argument for just about everyrthing dealing with demons or the friend/rival and it just looks like a badly written quest to me to show off how powerful a Dreamer mage is.

Edit:

Highest willpower stays awake? OK thats my point - the dreamer quest could have done that - instead they just made uber Hawke the one that always resists <and Anders of course - cause how do you possess a possessd person?>

Modifié par sphinxess, 15 juin 2011 - 10:00 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

But the highest willpower guy always resist, but that only happens if you fall for the trap. You can fully resist it, which will force the shade to appear and fight the full party.
I also usually fall for the trap, but that is simply because that is a more interresting scenario. And to resist it, you have to immediately turn away, which kind of serves to prove, that once you are under a demons sway (have heard a single of its offerings), then you are out on deep water.

Besides, the Night Terrors, not only shows the power of a Dreamer, but also the power of Demons. Albeit these were the two most powerful demons in this section of the Fade (whatever that means), and they succeeded to turn the staunchest of friends against eachother without much effort.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 15 juin 2011 - 10:20 .

[Rifneno]

dragonflight288 wrote...

*sigh* In Night Terrors, EVERY one of your companions betray except Anders and Justice. You can't judge Merrill for that one. You have to condemn Aveline, Isabella, Fenris, and Varic just as much.

Except none of them constantly profess that they know how to deal with demons and that they're safe.

Oh yes, everyone was warning her about the mirror which had been corrupted by darkspawn....and it was that corruption that killed two hunters (potentially), not the mirror itself. And since she has it with her for over a decade without becoming corrupted, that is proof that the danger has passed. The elves in the ruins in Witch Hunt were corrupted ghouls, so we know those shards were still corrupted, thus we prove that the mirror wasn't as dangerous as everyone was claiming. 

Even if those eluvians are repaired and make a long range communication device, that benefits her people across all of Thedas. If every clan had one, they could keep in touch much faster and easier. Should one clan find any artifacts from Arlathan and the Dales, they can inform the others.

The first part requires metagaming knowledge, and if we're using that you also know that the eluvian is far more than a communication device, it's a portal to an unknown realm (as opposed to the Fade).  Those teleportation mirrors are one of the three big mysteries about the elves.  The others being "what happened to Arlathan?" and "why did the elves lose their immortality?"  If the mirrors are connected to either of those mysteries, she could be unleashing something more terrible than the First Blight.  Sorry, I don't really think cool video phones is worth that kind of risk.

LobselVith8 wrote...

Merrill wanted to help her people, which is no different than The Warden wanting to help his people when he ventured into the Frostback Mountains to head to Haven for a mythical Urn of Sacred Ashes that were said to be a legend. Merrill is using lore she gathered and information she extrapolated from the shard, so she's the most informed about the Eluvian throughout the storyline.

The Warden had no other options for saving Eamon, a critical ally without whom Ferelden would be lost to the Blight. Merrill is in no dire situation with no specific goal beyond retro webcams.

Which can't be blamed on the phylacteries but their mentality.

Okay, you're right on that one. I don't even actually think blood magic is inherently evil myself, though I think dealing with demons is both evil and stupid. I just wanted to take a jab at the Chantry.

Merrill is the only one who actually studied about the Eluvian. Marethari apparently didn't, and Hawke knows nothing about elven lore. I put more stock in Merrill's proactive nature and her attempt to help the People with the restoration of technology that was important to the kingdom of Arlathan than Hawke's reactive&nbsp;"I'll wear silk robes in front of the fireplace and wait for someone to order me to do something" mentality.

We don't know what Marethari knows. She may well have known more than we do about it (not that that's much). Either way, I don't think Merrill studied it beyond asking one of her demon friends. How could she? If knowledge of the eluvians is so obscure, where's one elf with no standing or support getting some critical information on it?

Hardly mad. I'd put her intellect in regards to magic well above Hawke's, as even mage Hawke can't tell whether the templar is possessed or what type of Abomination the Profane has become.

Just because Hawke doesn't specifically say "hunger" (which Anders does, BTW) doesn't mean Hawke doesn't know. It doesn't really matter what type of abomination it is, just that it is an abomination. And her having some "detect demon" spell hardly means she knows more about magic. Hawke gets access to tons of spells she doesn't.

[DPSSOC]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

 No she's certainly not stupid but she isn't bright, clever if you prefer.  As evidence. 

Yes and that's in Act 1. She's unaccustomed to human civilization and using trickery and deceit to gain things from other people (she even tells you that the clan just gave her things that she needed. And she's only seen one human before: Duncan. The clan is all she's ever known) . Show me something from Act 2 or Act 3 where she starts to become more accustomed to human civilization where she isn't bright.

I got it.  Right here 0:27.

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Also here 1:04 after Varric

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