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[Legbiter]

Not without a MacGuffin. Thankfully Bioware has provided several potential ones.

[Weskerr]

RAF1940 wrote...

do you think the forces of the galaxy could defeat the Reapers?

From a realistic standpoint, no, the forces of the galaxy cannot defeat the Reapers. After all, they're professional galaxy exterminators and have been for millions of years if not longer. Why should they fail at their profession now? What does the current galactic society have that countless past galactic societies didn't have? Some might say that this extinction cycle is unique because the entities that live during this time know about the Reapers whereras previous ones were caught completely by surprise. However, we don't know if past galactic societies didn't have any knowledge of the Reaper threat. All we do know is that the Reapers have always been successful in culling the galaxy of intelligent life whenever they invaded.

I have no idea how Bioware's writers are going to tell the story of how the current galactic community stopped the Reapers without being hackneyed (computer virus from Independence Day) or using deus ex machina (music making the invading alien's heads explode from Mars Attacks comes to mind).
This movie ----------->

If they do use deus ex machina, I just hope it's not something that makes me facepalm.

[Iakus]

Not through standard strength of arms. Not even with the whole galaxy united. They could likely hurt the Reapers badly. But they'd still lose.

To win, I think they will have to find a way to somehow exploit a fundamental weakness in Mass Effect technology in general or Reaper tech specifically. "Level the playing field" as it were. To this end, I would think a study of the Mass Relays, pieces of Sovereign, or Shepard's cybernetics (I'm fairly certain is Reaper in origin) would yield results.

Alternatively, some sort of technology not based on Reaper technology would have to be found. Something the Reapers have never faced and have no defense against. Potential sources for this could be True geth technology, or possibly Prothean or other ancient races. Liara said the previous Shadow Broker was certain there was more to be learned from the Protheans.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on it.

[SamT3N7]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Conrad, Biotic God and Blasto will save us.

Add the Shifty Looking Cow and you're good.

[Ahglock]

Fleetleader101 wrote...

Possible for a few reasons.

1. Reapers are trying to absorb/enslave different civilizations as a part of the cycle.
2. Reapers are over confident in their perfect plan.
3. Prothians gave aid to break the cycle at massive cost to their own lives.
4. Reapers are venerable just like any other dreadnought, its just going to tough to wipe out the largest fleet that the galaxy has ever seen.
5. Reapers could be taken out by a mass relay explosion like in the Arrival, but the cost of lives, and the ability to perform such detonation would be difficult at best.
6. The reapers normal plan was foiled resulting in a slower invasion speed and, hopefully a massive cost of energy reserves.

Yeah the #6 on your list is what I was thinking.  They go to these space faring planets to harvest them for resources, if they had to burn a lot fo their active resources flying here isntead of using the mass relays they might not be at full strength in the fight.

[SennenScale]

If we could apply the overload power on a really, really grand scale, it will be laughably easy to defeat the Reapers.

Sovereign was destroyed with combined firepower easy enough once the shields were down, IIRC.

[88mphSlayer]

realistically the reapers could just slam asteroids into planets or have the collectors gather DNA to unleash a virus on every planet using indoctrinated sleeper cells long before ever having to go in and use brute force

so no, we have no chance IRL

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HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Not without some kind of yet unknown weakness to exploit, assuming they're all close to as strong as Sovereign.

yah pretty much.  It would be difficult imo for bioware to find a weakness that isn't too corny.  the common cold has been done before.

Perhaps the quarian and/or geth developed a weapon that can supernova the sun (thinking of haestrom), explode a star with the reapers in the system.  Would that be enough to kill them?

[CroGamer002]

I'll tell you in March 2012.

[Dave666]

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HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Not without some kind of yet unknown weakness to exploit, assuming they're all close to as strong as Sovereign.

yah pretty much.  It would be difficult imo for bioware to find a weakness that isn't too corny.  the common cold has been done before.

Perhaps the quarian and/or geth developed a weapon that can supernova the sun (thinking of haestrom), explode a star with the reapers in the system.  Would that be enough to kill them?

If enough 'Dark Energy' was used, perhaps.  You'd need to reduce the Mass of the exploding Supernova (thereby increasing the speed with which the shockwave travels to FTL speeds), or the Reapers would simply jump to FTL (Faster Than Light) and the Supernova would never catch them.

You'd also need to Lure the Reapers to a System you didn't mind losing, 'cause you don't want to start blowing up the Suns of Homeworlds.

Modifié par Dave666, 13 juin 2011 - 04:00 .

[-Skorpious-]

I'd say the collective forces of the galaxy (at their current technological level) have a generous 1% chance of realistically defeating the reapers.

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HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Not without some kind of yet unknown weakness to exploit, assuming they're all close to as strong as Sovereign.

yah pretty much.  It would be difficult imo for bioware to find a weakness that isn't too corny.  the common cold has been done before.

Perhaps the quarian and/or geth developed a weapon that can supernova the sun (thinking of haestrom), explode a star with the reapers in the system.  Would that be enough to kill them?

If enough 'Dark Energy' was used, perhaps.  You'd need to reduce the Mass of the exploding Supernova (thereby increasing the speed with which the shockwave travels to FTL speeds), or the Reapers would simply jump to FTL (Faster Than Light) and the Supernova would never catch them.

You'd also need to Lure the Reapers to a System you didn't mind losing, 'cause you don't want to start blowing up the Suns of Homeworlds.

Ah yah FTL would have to be disabled on the REapers.  Also Im assuming, anyone who would trigger the supernova could die too if their FTL drives were disabled.  But there is no tech out therethat we know of that disables only FTL drives.  But can FTL drives work within an atmosphere?

It would be quite something, if the best way to destroy the Reapers were to explode our Local Sun, thus losing our entire system, earth with it.

[Anihilus]

I'd rather not lose Earth, but if it comes to that...

[FluffyScarf]

Blowing up the Sun? Too similar to Revenge of the Fallen.

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 13 juin 2011 - 04:15 .

[Dave666]

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HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Not without some kind of yet unknown weakness to exploit, assuming they're all close to as strong as Sovereign.

yah pretty much.  It would be difficult imo for bioware to find a weakness that isn't too corny.  the common cold has been done before.

Perhaps the quarian and/or geth developed a weapon that can supernova the sun (thinking of haestrom), explode a star with the reapers in the system.  Would that be enough to kill them?

If enough 'Dark Energy' was used, perhaps.  You'd need to reduce the Mass of the exploding Supernova (thereby increasing the speed with which the shockwave travels to FTL speeds), or the Reapers would simply jump to FTL (Faster Than Light) and the Supernova would never catch them.

You'd also need to Lure the Reapers to a System you didn't mind losing, 'cause you don't want to start blowing up the Suns of Homeworlds.

Ah yah FTL would have to be disabled on the REapers.  Also Im assuming, anyone who would trigger the supernova could die too if their FTL drives were disabled.  But there is no tech out therethat we know of that disables only FTL drives.  But can FTL drives work within an atmosphere?

It would be quite something, if the best way to destroy the Reapers were to explode our Local Sun, thus losing our entire system, earth with it.

As I've said before though, the Reapers are attacking everyone, which includes Human Colonies (which only have about 6,000,000 people on em) so they'd be lost easilly.  Wipe out Earth too and bye bye Humans, it was nice knowing you.

One thing that did occur to me was that the Citadel is a giant Mass Relay and as such must have an Element Zero Core the size of which we can't imagine (to reach Dark Space), so what would happen if we jury-rigged that Eezo Core so that it created in essence a Black Hole (Increase the Mass of the Citadel a million fold)...

[outlaw1109]

There must be something we don't know of, because if the reapers were some great unstoppable force, then why all the smoke and mirrors? Why would they need the citadel? Why would they need to cutoff all the relays? Why? Because they have an exploitable, if not obvious, weakness. If they were this mega-powerful-indestructable force, then they would just attack.

IMO, I think reapers such as Harbinger and Soverign are the individuals, like Shepard, whereas the grunt reapers are easier to combat. Like Scion/Husk (just an example to clarify the perspective).

Modifié par outlaw1109, 13 juin 2011 - 04:39 .

[AlanC9]

88mphSlayer wrote...

realistically the reapers could just slam asteroids into planets or have the collectors gather DNA to unleash a virus on every planet using indoctrinated sleeper cells long before ever having to go in and use brute force

They were trying the virus idea in ME2, of course.

Dunno about asteroids. Too easy to detect for a spacefaring species.

[Medhia Nox]

I think the Reapers were already defeated in ME 1.

The rest is just a huge battle moving toward the inevitable destruction of the Reapers.

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If the Reapers were really unstoppable they wouldn't have to use a sneak attack to win every time.

I like the Geth view of them... they don't diefy them, they're just "Old Machines".

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 13 juin 2011 - 04:50 .

[Skilled Seeker]

AlanC9 wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

realistically the reapers could just slam asteroids into planets or have the collectors gather DNA to unleash a virus on every planet using indoctrinated sleeper cells long before ever having to go in and use brute force

They were trying the virus idea in ME2, of course.

Dunno about asteroids. Too easy to detect for a spacefaring species.

So what? What would said spacefaring species be able to do about it? The Reapers would be surrounding the asteroid. And need I remind you of Tera Nova? Humanity's biggest colony and a small squad of batarian terrorists almost managed to destroy the entire planet. Seriously were was the Alliance fleet there? If they can't handle that, no way can they handle the Reapers.

[Kasai666]

Rose will show up and start pwning all the reapers because she looked into the heart of the tardis and she is a semi god
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What about Pond? Her life makes no sense, not to mention her baby is River Song.

[Whatever42]

Flashlegend wrote...

Not without a deus ex machina. The galaxy has basically been taken by surprise. No one except cerberus was remotely prepared for it.(and looked what happened to them) People should remember they've literally done this hundreds if not thousands of time. If this wasn't a video game and shepard wasn't the main character, I'd say they were ****ed.

The cycle is certainly broken now. The Reapers have never yet faced what they face now. 

There is evidence that the various races have been preparing despite their public denials. The Turians did develop the Thanix. The humans did expand their fleet and we have evidence that the fleet was gathered for the invasion.

But the reason that the cycle is broken is that there is no way now that the Reapers can mop up everyone. Before it was easy because they controlled the relay systems.  Everyone was ignorant about the Reapers and indoctrination and they controlled movement of fleets and information. 

Now we're aware of indoctrination. We're aware of the goals of the Reapers. If a few systems trashed their relays then it would take years for the Reapers to fly to each system. Species could flee (its a big galaxy!). They could set ambushes (Reaper fleet arrives and the relay blows up, taking many of them down with it). 

And how do they get back the Citadel?

With the cycle broken and abundant information on the Reapers, its only a matter of time before organic races catch up to Reaper technology and eventually even surpass it, since we have no evidence that Reapers can develop technology on their own.

Nah, the Reapers are doomed. Now whether or not they annialate most of the big races is the only thing in question.

[Medhia Nox]

@Kasai666 - you are awesome.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 13 juin 2011 - 04:54 .

[SennenScale]

Medhia Nox wrote...

If the Reapers were really unstoppable they wouldn't have to use a sneak attack to win every time.

I agree. There's got to be a reason why they go to all this trouble. Unless the Reapers are a supercautious species who abhor any risk whatsoever...

Anyhow, I think the reason that the Reapers have been able to get away with this so many times is because of the sneak attack. Organics develop along the lines the Reapers want. Then yhey usually cut off the head of galactic government, control all transporation, and get all census data in one fell swoop. They hunt down colonies one by one, and passively brainwash organics into sleeper agents to root out stragglers.

Even then, there is evidence of the Reapers being resisted.

[Dannyboy9876]

Now? No.

It WILL be a Deus Ex Machina, but I don't care, to be honest.

[Whatever42]

Dannyboy9876 wrote...

Now? No.

It WILL be a Deus Ex Machina, but I don't care, to be honest.

No. The defeat of the Reapers will not be because of an abrupt, contrived and unexpected intervention of some race or technology. I guarantee to you that the mechanism used to defeat the Reapers has been foreshadowed in ME1 and ME2.